BleedBNG Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, Burgold said: I wonder how they (the Redskins' players) really feel about Trent? Probably will thank him for helping get rid of Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, BleedBNG said: Probably will thank him for helping get rid of Allen. ... or at least getting rid of the training staff. (Could be both. The cheap **** and the group they may blame for us being so injury-prone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Jedi Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I have to believe that the lockerroom completely understood the situation with Trent and don't blame him. I am also hopeful that Trent will be willing to talk with Ron, not just today's chat but a serious sitdown to iron it all out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 4 hours ago, LD0506 said: I have to believe that the lockerroom completely understood the situation with Trent and don't blame him. I am also hopeful that Trent will be willing to talk with Ron, not just today's chat but a serious sitdown to iron it all out. During his presser when he showed up, there were a lot of “preach” and other statements of support from the players around him. They supported him fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaytoAli Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veteranskinsfan Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I would sign him and then trade him to another team. Plenty of good left tackles in this draft. As a new Head Coach I would not want a potential problem in the locker room. Dunbar asking for more money before his contract is up points to how players will copy other players contract demands- especially if Skins management ends up signing Williams. Hope Rivera does not get sentimental and keeps Norman too. Josh needs to go to another team. We need to dump his salary. I think both Williams and Allen were wrong with their negotiations last year. If we do sign Williams, I am concerned that he will not be healthy for a full season so we will be throwing more money down the drain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, veteranskinsfan said: I would sign him and then trade him to another team. Plenty of good left tackles in this draft. As a new Head Coach I would not want a potential problem in the locker room. Dunbar asking for more money before his contract is up points to how players will copy other players contract demands- especially if Skins management ends up signing Williams. Hope Rivera does not get sentimental and keeps Norman too. Josh needs to go to another team. We need to dump his salary. I think both Williams and Allen were wrong with their negotiations last year. If we do sign Williams, I am concerned that he will not be healthy for a full season so we will be throwing more money down the drain. I would have traded him last year. But they didn't. We keep hearing, "plenty of good LTs in draft", "plenty of good corners in draft", "plenty of good TEs in draft", "plenty of good RBs in draft", "plenty of good WR in draft", "Plenty of good safeties in draft", "plenty of good LBs in draft". And, sure. There are lots of options. But you know what isn't plentiful? Our draft resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Man... Lock these big fellas up. Yes, it will eat a lot of financial resources, but it’s the trenches, it’s universally understood the trenches are of great value and the ultimate equalizer when competing against the elite QBs. Let’s not be cute and pay these dudes and let them be the engine. Sign Flowers, Scherff, and Williams to spearhead the way for the next 3 year window. The new regime is run centric on top of it, makes too much sense, IMHO. Spend the next few drafts on the young dudes that require speed, elite twitch, and acceleration and recycle these guys in and out while the trenches are taken care of. Olineman age incredibly well... a great investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 minute ago, wit33 said: Man... Lock these big fellas up. Yes, it will eat a lot of financial resources, but it’s the trenches, it’s universally understood the trenches are of great value and the ultimate equalizer when competing against the elite QBs. Let’s not be cute and pay these dudes and let them be the engine. Sign Flowers, Scherff, and Williams to spearhead the way for the next 3 year window. The new regime is run centric on top of it, makes too much sense, IMHO. This is where I advocate spending money. Offensive line and defensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 55 minutes ago, KDawg said: This is where I advocate spending money. Offensive line and defensive line. Galdi did some type of a ranking of importance of where to spend money on some show a while ago. I'm not sure what his order was. Mine: (I'm assuming a 4-3) Tier 1: QB Tier 2: OT, DL (specifically edge rusher, but DT also), CB (specifically outside) Tier 3: Safety, WR, ILB, TE Tier 4: interior OL, RB, OLB, slot WR, nickle corner, anybody I didn't already mention except for... Tier 99: specialists. (Punter, kicker, long snapper) With due respect to our only pro-bowler and possibly the best player on our team, you should not be spending a ton of money on specialists. I also think you, in an ideal world, draft the more expensive players to sign on the open market higher in order to get them on rookie deals. Ideally. Doesn't always work out that way, but it's a nice benefit when it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I don't agree with big money at CB. That's where it seems big money contracts burn you the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, KDawg said: I don't agree with big money at CB. That's where it seems big money contracts burn you the most. Yeah, you're probably right. But you NEED DBs who can play. And they are getting more expensive. Unless you draft them. So, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmandoug1 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Question: How much money did he lose last year for sitting out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I think with all the zone blitzing and pressure up the middle interior lineman ought to be higher up. Guards and centers used to be second class citizens, but not any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, tmandoug1 said: Question: How much money did he lose last year for sitting out? 8mil maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I agree about investing in the OL. I think you ideally only pay "up" for 3 OL while your other 2 are on rookie deals. Unfortunately (or fortunately) we will need to pay 4 of our starters non-rookie and high-end deals in 2020. But I think we should expect Moses to come off the books in 2021. Which is why I think you try to draft his replacement this year in the 4th or 5th (Charles if he falls?) But assuming we extend Trent and re-sign Scherff and Flowers ... LT: $15m APY LG: $6-7m APY OC: Rookie Contract RG: $14-15m APY RT: $8m APY You spend "prime" OL picks last year (for IOL at least) getting Wes Martin and Ross Pierschbacher. Maybe the new regime comes in and opts to plug Martin in at LG and let Flower go (fine with me TBH). Piershbacher could be the replacement for Roullier as I don't see him being paid beyond 2020. So I think you extend Trent and re-sign Scherff. If you let Flowers walk and pencil in Martin at RG, you probably want to hit IOL in the mid-rounds again purely for depth. If you bring back Flowers, then you probably want to hit OT to try and get a candidate to replace Moses in 2021. Of course you have next year's draft as well, and Geron Christian could make the leap this year. But he's also in his 3rd year and will be a FA after 2021. I think you keep the churn going by drafting at least 1 OL this year if not 2. Which would complement the existing, potentially high-earning starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, tmandoug1 said: Question: How much money did he lose last year for sitting out? Based on Overthcap the team did not pay any of his 2019 salary - that was set to be $10.85M. Add fines to that - which were already $1.9M after missing 2 games, he is looking at somewhere around $15M. However, right now any money is only on paper. i say that because if he comes back, typically any fines would be waved and they will figure out a way to pay him what he missed. I think we need to see the end result before we will know exactly what the impact will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 51 minutes ago, goskins10 said: Based on Overthcap the team did not pay any of his 2019 salary - that was set to be $10.85M. Add fines to that - which were already $1.9M after missing 2 games, he is looking at somewhere around $15M. However, right now any money is only on paper. i say that because if he comes back, typically any fines would be waved and they will figure out a way to pay him what he missed. I think we need to see the end result before we will know exactly what the impact will be. They might forgive the fines. However, I doubt very much they would pay him back his salary for last year. That's water under the bridge. If I had to bet, IF he passes a physical, and he is willing, they give him a 2 year extension (so this year + 2 more), guarantee the first 2 years of it at top 5 money. That would put him at his age 37 season I think, and would be pretty fair. I'm completely speculating at this point, but that's what my gut tells me. My gut also tells me that Dunny is going to be playing for somebody else. Trent's issues are with a past regime, so Ron can forgive them. What Dunny just did is against this regime, and I have a feeling they won't be so forgiving. But that's for a different thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: If I had to bet, IF he passes a physical, and he is willing, they give him a 2 year extension (so this year + 2 more), guarantee the first 2 years of it at top 5 money. That would put him at his age 37 season I think, and would be pretty fair. His next 3 season in the NFL will be his age 32, 33, and 34 seasons. Not a shot at you, but it’s wild how many have Williams age wrong lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 58 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: I agree about investing in the OL. I think you ideally only pay "up" for 3 OL while your other 2 are on rookie deals. Unfortunately (or fortunately) we will need to pay 4 of our starters non-rookie and high-end deals in 2020. But I think we should expect Moses to come off the books in 2021. Which is why I think you try to draft his replacement this year in the 4th or 5th (Charles if he falls?) But assuming we extend Trent and re-sign Scherff and Flowers ... LT: $15m APY LG: $6-7m APY OC: Rookie Contract RG: $14-15m APY RT: $8m APY You spend "prime" OL picks last year (for IOL at least) getting Wes Martin and Ross Pierschbacher. Maybe the new regime comes in and opts to plug Martin in at LG and let Flower go (fine with me TBH). Piershbacher could be the replacement for Roullier as I don't see him being paid beyond 2020. So I think you extend Trent and re-sign Scherff. If you let Flowers walk and pencil in Martin at RG, you probably want to hit IOL in the mid-rounds again purely for depth. If you bring back Flowers, then you probably want to hit OT to try and get a candidate to replace Moses in 2021. Of course you have next year's draft as well, and Geron Christian could make the leap this year. But he's also in his 3rd year and will be a FA after 2021. I think you keep the churn going by drafting at least 1 OL this year if not 2. Which would complement the existing, potentially high-earning starters. The return of Trent to this team is gonna be one of the biggest things that turns this team around if it happens. If Trent buys into what RR is selling then the rest will follow. Trent will push the offense to greater heights is he comes back motivated and ready to dominate like he should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 This place will be interesting if Williams is extended an given a raise, and then proceeds to play like a shell of his former self and then becomes injured again. I saw what happened around here when Scherff had mediocre games and then went on IR...and he was still on his rookie contract. It won't be pretty lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 22 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: They might forgive the fines. However, I doubt very much they would pay him back his salary for last year. That's water under the bridge. If I had to bet, IF he passes a physical, and he is willing, they give him a 2 year extension (so this year + 2 more), guarantee the first 2 years of it at top 5 money. That would put him at his age 37 season I think, and would be pretty fair. I'm completely speculating at this point, but that's what my gut tells me. My gut also tells me that Dunny is going to be playing for somebody else. Trent's issues are with a past regime, so Ron can forgive them. What Dunny just did is against this regime, and I have a feeling they won't be so forgiving. But that's for a different thread. Of course you may be right as we are both speculating. But I really think he and his agent will try to recoup as much as they can. So maybe he doesn't get it all, he could easily get half. My real point was we do not know for sure so before counting on any CAP. Either way I hope they work it out - it will be a big win for Ron and team. Trent is very well respected in the locker room from all accounts. And he clearly got Dan's attention. In fairness if Trent still refuses to come back then it's on him unless they low ball him on money - refuse to renegotiate, keep the fines in place, of give him a very low take it or leave it ultimatum. Real quick on Dunbar - it sounds like he walked back - or maybe was misreported. I could see him having a really good meeting with Ron and salvaging this. But if he really is new contract or release, then I agree they will move him and they should. I have to confess to jumping on the initial reports which is very much against my normal reaction. So I came out harsh on Dunbar. I do think if he really is giving them a trade or renegotiate ultimatum, he needs to go. But if he was taken out of context or has simply had a change of heart and is contrite, then they should find a workable solution. The guy can ball when he is healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 34 minutes ago, Califan007 said: This place will be interesting if Williams is extended an given a raise, and then proceeds to play like a shell of his former self and then becomes injured again. I saw what happened around here when Scherff had mediocre games and then went on IR...and he was still on his rookie contract. It won't be pretty lol... It would be amazing and unsurprising. Until they provide that they've gotten their act together. I don't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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