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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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!!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

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12 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

Who knows what's actually going on, but based on the two tweets below, it seems Cleveland isn't even offering up a 1st, so the "two to tango" line by Dorsey is a bit hypocritical since Bruce seems willing to part with Trent if given a 1st

 

He does? 

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4 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

I said "based on the tweets" I posted.  Did you read them?

 

Nothing in those tweets says or even implies that the price Bruce is waiting for is a 1st. 

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1 hour ago, Idaho fan said:

Not weird at all.  Unfortunately every time Bruce Allen says he's not trading Trent Bruce instead gets a little warm feeling that makes him think he's a tough guy.  He feels manly like he controls the world and is teaching everyone a lesson.

 

Im sure there is a good meme for this but I don't have a meme library handy.

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Based on that Dorsey tweet I wonder if we are overestimating Trents value, he'll be 32 before next season starts, multiple knee issues and other misc problems and only 2 years left on his deal.

 

If I were a GM I don't think I would give up a #1 for him unless I knew my team would be drafting in the bottom 5 of the 1st round.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, JSSkinz said:

Based on that Dorsey tweet I wonder if we are overestimating Trents value, he'll be 32 before next season starts, multiple knee issues and other misc problems and only 2 years left on his deal.

 

If I were a GM I don't think I would give up a #1 for him unless I knew my team would be drafting in the bottom 5 of the 1st round.

 

 

 

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Actually when was the last time a team traded a 1st rd pick for a non-QB over 30?  I know the Pats got a 1st for Richard Seymour from the Raiders who was about to turn 30.  That's the closest I can think of and Al Davis seems like the only person who'd do a deal like that.  

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This thread cracks me up. What the hell do you want to hear, “We are open to business on trading Trent” and announce it publicly? It lowers his value. Just like the Jaguars who insisted they wouldn’t be trading Ramsey, until they did...Hold out till you get the best haul you can. If they hold him hostage forever just to send a message that’s one thing, but all the information leaking out points to the contrary. Too much smoke around Cleveland, sounds like price is too steep for them and I’m sure Dorsey has legitimate concern about relinquishing what could actually be a high to mid round pick. The comments by Dorsey seem like posturing, holding out hope we agree to trade him without their first included. Hold out for the first.

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8 minutes ago, JSSkinz said:

Based on that Dorsey tweet I wonder if we are overestimating Trents value, he'll be 32 before next season starts, multiple knee issues and other misc problems and only 2 years left on his deal.

 

If I were a GM I don't think I would give up a #1 for him unless I knew my team would be drafting in the bottom 5 of the 1st round.

 

 

 

current NFL has five starters older than him and at least five that are his age

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3 minutes ago, HardcoreZorn said:

This thread cracks me up. What the hell do you want to hear, “We are open to business on trading Trent” and announce it publicly? It lowers his value. Just like the Jaguars who insisted they wouldn’t be trading Ramsey, until they did...Hold out till you get the best haul you can. If they hold him hostage forever just to send a message that’s one thing, but all the information leaking out points to the contrary. Too much smoke around Cleveland, sounds like price is too steep for them and I’m sure Dorsey has legitimate concern about relinquishing what could actually be a high to mid round pick. The comments by Dorsey seem like posturing, holding out hope we agree to trade him without their first included. Hold out for the first.

 

What Allen should say is that he is willing to trade ANY player if the price is right.

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9 minutes ago, drowland said:

Actually when was the last time a team traded a 1st rd pick for a non-QB over 30?  


 

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2 minutes ago, HardcoreZorn said:

This thread cracks me up. What the hell do you want to hear, “We are open to business on trading Trent” and announce it publicly? It lowers his value.

It really doesn't lower his value.  Nor does Bruce need to ever speak publicly again, so we can forego him saying he's open for business altogether.  However, prominent media folks who follow this stuff for a living find what they are hearing about Bruce's stance odd, to the extent one said he wouldn't even sniff around on the rumors about Cleveland.  Dorsey himself said "it takes two to tango" implying he's interested and Bruce isn't interested in trading Trent.  Bruce himself has said on numerous occasions that they aren't trading Trent.  Craig Hoffman says he's been told by those in the building that Bruce has his feet dug in the ground on not trading him til the offseason. 

 

I think we all understand that Bruce works in solitude on this stuff after the Alex Smith debacle.  So yes, it's possible he's throwing everyone off the scent by being covert about all this.  And don't fret, if Bruce somehow pulls off a haul for Trent as a result of all this, he'll get his props.  No, it won't be enough to overshadow all the other negative ways he's impacted the organization but it should equate to some level of praise none the less.

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Dorsey must be getting more desperate as the last 2 weeks have passed. Think the Browns are on a bye week so they have a bit of time yet before they face up to the Pats. They are looking at 2-5 after that game though.

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16 minutes ago, LetThePointsSoar said:

Is there anything older than prehistoric? 

 

262 pages of sheer nothingness... 

 

This thread has become the nothing...

 

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So that sound bite SIP posted goes against everything we've been hearing and it's hard to ignore AP's opinion when he probably knows Trent better than anyone on the team.

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1 hour ago, HTTRDynasty said:

Who knows what's actually going on, but based on the two tweets below, it seems Cleveland isn't even offering up a 1st, so the "two to tango" line by Dorsey is a bit hypocritical since Bruce seems willing to part with Trent if given a 1st.

 

 

 

 

 

I really doubt he doesn't report later this season (after the trade deadline) to accrue his extra year if we get to that point.  Regardless, it would be a massive gamble on our part.

If Trent does report to accrue the year his trade value will almost completely collapse.  At that point he'd become a 1 year rental - What did Houston get for Clowney? 

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2 hours ago, SemperFi Skins said:

Dorsey asked if he’s spoken to Washington team president Bruce Allen: "We’ve had a few conversations.” (LT Trent Williams)… When Williams was referenced… “It takes two to tango."

Dorsey is showing the asking price right there.. by saying "it takes 2 to tango" he is saying it will take a 2nd round pick to make the deal for the Browns. I for one, am surprised at his honesty

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Bruce digs his heels in and doesn't trade him

Bruce trades him on the cheap

Bruce brings him back in the fold on a vastly improved contract

 

I think each/any of the above will kick me in the nuts at this point.

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So, what exactly is the point of him coming back at this point in a losing season? I understand it from his perspective as a player to accrue a year and get paid, however, this needs to be looked at from a team perspective moving forward.

 

Penn is doing a good job and is likely a one-year rental

We are looking to get younger 

The draft has some good talent at OT

We aren't winning **** this year and could use the draft picks and/or young stud players in return

 

We have no need for TW... So he comes back and we win a game or two... still makes no difference in the overall and it's a lose-lose for the franchise for cap dollars and draft picks. This season is essentially over before it began. We'd also have to probably remove someone with talent for him to take up a roster spot. 

 

Say to him "thanks for everything, and we are always open to a one-day contract down the road if you would like to retire as a Redskin." For now, don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you...

 

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1 hour ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

 

Nothing in those tweets says or even implies that the price Bruce is waiting for is a 1st. 

 

I dunno...I think it kinda does.

 

"John Dorsey doesn’t seem inclined to move their 2020 1st rounder from what I’ve heard."..."Browns have inquired for a while now but have considered price steep."

 

Saying the Browns consider the price to be too steep implies that Bruce has indeed given them a price. Saying the Browns are not inclined to trade their 1st round pick implies that they feel a 1st is too steep. From those tweets it wouldn't be out of the question to assume a 1st was part of the price Bruce conveyed to the Browns.

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6 minutes ago, Califan007 said:

 

I dunno...I think it kinda does.

 

"John Dorsey doesn’t seem inclined to move their 2020 1st rounder from what I’ve heard."..."Browns have inquired for a while now but have considered price steep."

 

Saying the Browns consider the price to be too steep implies that Bruce has indeed given them a price. Saying the Browns are not inclined to trade their 1st round pick implies that they feel a 1st is too steep. From those tweets it wouldn't be out of the question to assume a 1st was part of the price Bruce conveyed to the Browns.

I agree and its possible Bruce may want a 1st along with a 2nd or a 3rd, who knows whats going on in his head.

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5 minutes ago, XxSpearheadxX said:

I have checked this thread 5 times a day for what feels like a year now. 

Lol only 5?

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