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14 minutes ago, SkinsFTW said:

So did we win a game vs anyone other than the tanking Dolphins yet?

 

Oh, ok...

 

We're close...

 

After watching Miami tanking vs Pitt last week, I am more convinced then ever that they tanked on their 2 point conversion vs us. Yes, they let us win.  We are trying to win, and they are trying to lose, yet our futility forced them into action.

 

Talk about about bad luck, selling off and tanking for top picks in the draft, yet being forced to play us.

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Here's another blurb about what happened about 3 yrs ago--Ii think it's the same timeframe that Casserly was talking about, but this (if accurate) fills in things a little more:

 

"As retold by Williams, Redskins medical staff downplayed the condition as “something minor” and just a “cyst.” His comments also suggest that the team’s medical staff declined to order tests that would have revealed the seriousness of the condition. Williams went on to explain that team medical personnel eventually had the excess skin removed. When the skin was examined, the team learned that the cyst had a cancerous growth. The Redskins then sent Williams to see a specialist. By that point, the growth was “far more advanced.”

 

"...Williams would need to prove that he was harmed in a legal sense. Even if Williams could establish that the Redskins acted unreasonably, he would not prevail in a lawsuit unless he also proved that he suffered damages. He might argue, for instance, that the delay in diagnosing him led to an expansion of the growth and greater nerve damage in its subsequent removal. Williams could also maintain that the delay makes him more susceptible to a recurrence of cancer in the future (he would need expert testimony to establish that kind of point). Alternatively, he might claim that the experience has caused him psychological distress and that such distress has negatively impacted his NFL career. His holdout, which Williams says reflected distrust of the Redskins, cost him about $7 million.

 

On the other hand, there is no allegation (yet) that the Redskins refused to pay for any health care expenses related to Williams. Likewise, there is no reason to believe the team failed to handle costs in retaining a specialist or denied Williams a chance to obtain a second opinion. Also, the team has not released William and has been willing to pay him his contract so long as he reports to work (if the team cuts Williams, that could trigger a separate grievance procedure under Article 44 of the CBA). The Redskins can also maintain that a decision to holdout is one made by the player, not the team. Along those lines, Williams and the NFLPA could have filed a grievance against the Redskins months ago to address his concerns, long before he held out and lost money."

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/11/01/trent-williams-redskins-victim-medical-malpractice?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_medium=social

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Trent deserves sympathy for us medical issues, but in everything else he is full of crap and he screwed us.  Trent's a great player.  That gets confused with being a good pro.  He has always been unprofessional, it was only a matter of time before that bit us hard.  We should have traded him a year or two ago.  Even if he dropped his beef with us we still have to move him.  We can not trust or rely upon him.

 

I'm angry at Trent.  I'm absolutely done with Allen.  He's a God awful GM and one of the worst traders we've ever had.  I want him gone ASAP.

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6 hours ago, RandyHolt said:

Trent dropped a deuce on Bruce

 

I think it has come down to, Trent won't play here if Bruce is here.   This is our best chance to get a new GM; hopefully Dan heard Trent and the seed is planted to ditch Bruce.

 

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I'm still trying to understand what he was trying to accomplish.  All Trent had to do was make the roster and 2019 was guaranteed.  At this point, he is going to lose all of his 2019 money, plus camp incentives, plus prorated bonus money, that he will have to pay back.   Even if we guarantee 2020, he still loses money unless we can find a helmet that he can wear this year.

 

He didn't want anyone fired, that was an offer, supposedly.

 

Is it simply that he made a demand that was not granted and he thought that entitled him to smear everyone within arm's reach?  This stinks of a butt hurt diva trying to get his way and holding his breath when it doesn't happen.

 

P.S.  Bruce is still a useless asshole, please fire him Monday morning.

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It may be best to not try and over analyze it.

 

Trent just didn't want to be here.  For a multitude of reasons.

 

The only reason he showed up was to be tethered to this dumpster fire for one less year.  I have a theory it all started after doing Bruce a favor and restructuring, followed by the Kirk demanding guaranteed money drama, and him leaving. He likely saw Bruce fumbling away Kirk as his last best chance at a Bowl. The NFL variety.

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The reality is that Bruce has a proven track record of being inept, and because of the continued let downs and incompetence he can't do any right in the eyes of the fanbase. That's fair enough. In life, if you let people down enough times eventually you're done for good.

 

However, whilst all of that is a given, Trent has a 50% shared responsibility in this carry on. Hopefully he sits the rest of the year without this season being accrued, and he heads into the offseason still on a two year contract. Best case both sides get lucky and he's traded to a serial contender for a late first rounder.

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1 hour ago, RandyHolt said:

It may be best to not try and over analyze it.

 

Trent just didn't want to be here.  For a multitude of reasons.

 

The only reason he showed up was to be tethered to this dumpster fire for one less year.  I have a theory it all started after doing Bruce a favor and restructuring, followed by the Kirk demanding guaranteed money drama, and him leaving. He likely saw Bruce fumbling away Kirk as his last best chance at a Bowl. The NFL variety.

This is what I’ve been leaning towards as well.  He just wants out one way or another. 

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2 hours ago, RandyHolt said:

It may be best to not try and over analyze it.

 

Trent just didn't want to be here.  For a multitude of reasons.

 

The only reason he showed up was to be tethered to this dumpster fire for one less year.  I have a theory it all started after doing Bruce a favor and restructuring, followed by the Kirk demanding guaranteed money drama, and him leaving. He likely saw Bruce fumbling away Kirk as his last best chance at a Bowl. The NFL variety.

 

unfortunately going from his role as a team leader to never wanting to play here again and being very hostile as he is is something that really calls for analysis

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3 hours ago, sempre_victrix said:

I'm still trying to understand what he was trying to accomplish. 

 

He doesnt want to play for the Redskins anymore.

 

He hasn't played and he'll be on a new team next year.

 

And that's it.

 

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22 minutes ago, Mooka said:

 

He doesnt want to play for the Redskins anymore.

 

He hasn't played and he'll be on a new team next year.

 

And that's it.

 

 

Then why dredge up the drama about a cyst/tumor?

 

i think it’s about money/contract. He saw Cousins get paid and Smith go down and he’s worried, but all he gains is 1 year guaranteed 

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34 minutes ago, sempre_victrix said:

 

Then why dredge up the drama about a cyst/tumor?

 

i think it’s about money/contract. He saw Cousins get paid and Smith go down and he’s worried, but all he gains is 1 year guaranteed 

“It’s a culmination of things,” Williams said when asked why he held out. “What I went through health-wise, it took me away from the game for a minute, anyway. That and the contract status was a thing as well. Obviously, playing with no guaranteed money, I don’t think any premier player would want to do that, especially not in the game that we play today.”  Williams said he will need to get routine checkups every six months to ensure that the cancer does not return. Link

 

He wants out, just let him, shake hands, wish good luck and move on. We could have traded him to the Texans or Browns for at least a 1st and maybe more, but we've got a stubborn incompetent arrogant clown at the helm.

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14 hours ago, RandyHolt said:

 

After watching Miami tanking vs Pitt last week, I am more convinced then ever that they tanked on their 2 point conversion vs us. Yes, they let us win.  We are trying to win, and they are trying to lose, yet our futility forced them into action.

 

Talk about about bad luck, selling off and tanking for top picks in the draft, yet being forced to play us.

well said....the biggest threat to their tank season was us. Very pathetic.

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4 hours ago, sempre_victrix said:

I'm still trying to understand what he was trying to accomplish.  All Trent had to do was make the roster and 2019 was guaranteed.  At this point, he is going to lose all of his 2019 money, plus camp incentives, plus prorated bonus money, that he will have to pay back.   Even if we guarantee 2020, he still loses money unless we can find a helmet that he can wear this year.

 

He didn't want anyone fired, that was an offer, supposedly.

 

Is it simply that he made a demand that was not granted and he thought that entitled him to smear everyone within arm's reach?  This stinks of a butt hurt diva trying to get his way and holding his breath when it doesn't happen.

 

P.S.  Bruce is still a useless asshole, please fire him Monday morning.

With all of the lost game checks and fines he racked up Trent must've taken a hell of a hit financially this year. Dan has saved millions while still winning a game. Well done Bruce.

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17 minutes ago, sempre_victrix said:

 

Then why dredge up the drama about a cyst/tumor?

 

i think it’s about money/contract. He saw Cousins get paid and Smith go down and he’s worried, but all he gains is 1 year guaranteed 

 

Because this organization is an unprofessional clown show with awful PR.

 

Trent should be on a new team right now and then his grievances against his former team would be yesterday's news. 

 

As for $, if Trent had a price the Skins sure as hell weren't matching it. Obviously losing a season is worth it to Trent.

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3 minutes ago, Mooka said:

 

Because this organization is an unprofessional clown show with awful PR.

 

Trent should be on a new team right now and then his grievances against his former team would be yesterday's news. 

 

As for $, if Trent had a price the Skins sure as hell weren't matching it. Obviously losing a season is worth it to Trent.


Want guaranteed money, then sit out and lose guaranteed money this year (out $7mil plus to date)? Trent and team must’ve thought this was going to go in a different direction. 

 

To clarify, I don’t have a hard position either way with this situation. 
 

 

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Just now, wit33 said:


Want guaranteed money, then sit out and lose guaranteed money this year (out $7mil plus to date)? Trent and team must’ve thought this was going to go in a different direction. 

 

To clarify, I don’t have a hard position either way with this situation. 

 

He wants to not play for this team.

 

It's not like Trent made some gamble because he's a complete idiot, the guy has an agent. He knows exactly how much money he's losing/fined whatever.

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6 minutes ago, Mooka said:

 

He wants to not play for this team.

 

It's not like Trent made some gamble because he's a complete idiot, the guy has an agent. He knows exactly how much money he's losing/fined whatever.


“Complete idiot” is subjective, as some would say forfeiting $7mil is uhh... _____
 

I don’t care about another persons money, so whatever works for him. I was more referring to his decision to ask to be traded and maybe his agent and team thinking a deal would happen and he’d be on another team earning money. 

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I sympathize with health problems but I don’t expect my employer to get them fixed. I seek my own medical treatment through experts. I’m a grown man, I take care of myself. So is Trent (but you wouldn’t know by his actions). He is also someone who signed a contract to play football. A HUGE contract. He needs to be a man of his word and fulfill his contract. He doesn’t have to like Bruce. He doesn’t have to like Dan. But he signed a contract to produce. Needs to suck it up and produce. 

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16 hours ago, RandyHolt said:

 

After watching Miami tanking vs Pitt last week, I am more convinced then ever that they tanked on their 2 point conversion vs us. Yes, they let us win.  We are trying to win, and they are trying to lose, yet our futility forced them into action.

 

Talk about about bad luck, selling off and tanking for top picks in the draft, yet being forced to play us.

I don’t think any player would purposely **** up like that. They’re all still playing for their own careers.

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6 hours ago, sempre_victrix said:

I'm still trying to understand what he was trying to accomplish. 

 

 

I personally think Trent made a decision based mostly on the emotion of the moment. There were sooooo many other ways he could have handled this and still reached his goal of being off the team, if not this year then next, AND he could have brought attention to any medical staff issues at the same time. he may have also felt that by being traded he could work out a new deal with his new team in which there are guarantees over the next 2 years, something he knew (or believed) wouldn't happen with Bruce.

 

I'm not of the belief that not talking about anything until now in order to not make Snyder look bad was all that smart of a move, either lol...with all the criticism heaped on the Skins during his hold out--and a ****load more heaped on now after ending his holdout and giving an interview--he definitely did not achieve that goal.

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