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  1. 1. Should Donald Trump be impeached for obstruction of justice?



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4 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

Haha so basically the house GOP calling the impeachment hearings a "Kangaroo court" are really projecting for what is surely a cluster-F of a Senate Trial that is coming.

 

It is hilarious that the GOP want a quick acquittal, but they have to abandon those plans to appease the Reality TV host in chief demanding it be a spectacle of epic proportions.  Perhaps Melania Trump will come decorate the Senate Floor?

 

I still can't get over that ****ing idiot Matt Gaetz thinking that the term "kangaroo court" came from Captain Kangaroo. This is the level of intellect we're dealing with. If they tried to do anything more intellectually challenging than screaming and yelling they'd probably have psychotic breakdowns so on some level I suppose I can't necessarily fault them for it. It's like getting mad at a fish for breathing water. 

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I don’t know if lying about an affair (even under oath) qualifies as a national security risk/high crime or misdemeanor. 
 

What Trump is accused of is verbatim what the Founding Fathers decided was what qualified for impeachment. 
 

I think Clinton should have been censured and maybe even disbarred because perjury is supposed to be serious (Even if Kavanaugh proved that Republicans don’t give a damn about lying under oath or doing so repeatedly.) Clinton never should have been impeached. 
 

Trump should be impeached, removed, and the for his numerous other crimes be prosecuted and jailed. 

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Hell, maybe McConnell went on Fox and said it on purpose so the request to recuse himself would be made and he can avoid the circus that is coming to town?

43 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

I still can't get over that ****ing idiot Matt Gaetz thinking that the term "kangaroo court" came from Captain Kangaroo. This is the level of intellect we're dealing with. If they tried to do anything more intellectually challenging than screaming and yelling they'd probably have psychotic breakdowns so on some level I suppose I can't necessarily fault them for it. It's like getting mad at a fish for breathing water. 

 

That is the what is so funny watching the hearings. I will never claim to be the brightest bulb myself, but listening to the Republicans voices crack as they are just yelling and flailing around. They remind me of most generic Trump supporters who have nothing of any subsistence to say on the issue so it's "Hunter Biden" or "Crowdstrike" or "Burisma" or "Socialism" or whatever term of the day they see fit to use as an actual argument.  I wish the Republicans would at least acknowledge the obvious stuff that happened and come up with arguments about why it is okay instead of just using their time to bring anything & everything else up. 

 

Just try to explain to the American people why you think what Trump did was fine, and stop with all the other stuff. 

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27 minutes ago, twa said:

 

 

Really?  Schiff personally met with the whistleblower?  There's some proof of that?  

 

(I haven't seen any.  But then, just because I haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.)  

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1 minute ago, Larry said:

 

Really?  Schiff personally met with the whistleblower?  There's some proof of that?  

 

(I haven't seen any.  But then, just because I haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.)  

Dude. They totally hung out with Hillary in that Dupont Circle Pizza joint where they both were running the child sex slave ring.

 

Is there a single unproven conspiracy theory that the Right doesn't embrace these days?

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37 minutes ago, twa said:

 

 

Schiff didn't meet with the whistleblower, it was someone on his staff. I DO think he should have notified people from the get-go that it had happened. It doesn't sound like it was anything that odd...the person wanted advice on how to deal with the situation and the staffer told them to follow the official whistleblower process, which is what happened.

 

On the other hand, McConnell, as a person who is supposed to be an impartial juror, is openly stating that he's not only already made up his mind, but that he's going to work hand in hand with the defendant and his lawyers to ensure he doesn't get convicted. If anything would get you kicked off of a jury, it would be something like that (or not wearing pants to the juror questioning). 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Burgold said:

Dude. They totally hung out with Hillary in that Dupont Circle Pizza joint where they both were running the child sex slave ring.

 

Is there a single unproven conspiracy theory that the Right doesn't embrace these days?

 

Remember the "Schiff IS the whistleblower!" one? That hung around on the right for a week or two. 

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22 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

Really?  Schiff personally met with the whistleblower?  There's some proof of that?  

 

(I haven't seen any.  But then, just because I haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.)  

Remember the source

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3 minutes ago, Skintime said:

Remember the source

 

I'm giving him a chance.  

 

I'm sure he's told the truth at least once.  

 

 

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I normally don't like calling either side of the court shills considering a lot of brilliant people interpret laws different than me, however when it comes to this specific case Trump has basically been laughed out of court every single time leading up to the Supreme Court appeal, so the fact that they are even accepting the appeal in the first place is a bad sign right from the get-go, but we will see if they are going to basically rubber stamp Trump's claim that he is free from investigation.

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1 minute ago, Larry said:

 

I'm giving him a chance.  

 

I'm sure he's told the truth at least once.  

 

 

He's a trumper, truth to them IS trump

2 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

I normally don't like calling either side of the court shills considering a lot of brilliant people interpret laws different than me, however when it comes to this specific case Trump has basically been laughed out of court every single time leading up to the Supreme Court appeal, so the fact that they are even accepting the appeal in the first place is a bad sign right from the get-go, but we will see if they are going to basically rubber stamp Trump's claim that he is free from investigation.

That's what I think too, bad sign that it was taken up. But at least it continues to take negatives about him and how he still wants to hide information that he said he was going to make available, closer to the election.

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15 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

I normally don't like calling either side of the court shills considering a lot of brilliant people interpret laws different than me, however when it comes to this specific case Trump has basically been laughed out of court every single time leading up to the Supreme Court appeal, so the fact that they are even accepting the appeal in the first place is a bad sign right from the get-go, but we will see if they are going to basically rubber stamp Trump's claim that he is free from investigation.

 

If SCOTUS gives him this one they might as well just have a coronation right afterwards because he'd basically be a monarch at that point. He'd essentially have blanket immunity from any and all investigation, no matter what. Can't be impeached and kicked out of office, can't be indicted, can't even be investigated. At that point it's only a matter of time until he simply declares any vote that goes against him invalid (due to some made up bull**** like voter fraud) and that he won't honor it. Then what? I know that may sound a bit far fetched but look at how many lines the guy has already crossed and his followers and enablers in Congress have leaped right over with him every time, to everyone else's horror. 

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We're getting to the point where the lower courts are irrelevant on any issue involving the administration (until Trump fills them with GOP cronies).  We're running out of America.

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1 minute ago, visionary said:

We're getting to the point where the lower courts are irrelevant on any issue involving the administration (until Trump fills them with GOP cronies).  We're running out of America.

 

So sad, so true. America is broken and I don't think she can be fixed. 

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9 minutes ago, visionary said:

We're getting to the point where the lower courts are irrelevant on any issue involving the administration (until Trump fills them with GOP cronies).  We're running out of America.

 

The frustrating part is that the Supreme Court has every right to tell Trump to buzz off and follow the lower courts decisions because it follows established precedence.  There is no requirement for them to even hear it.  They should not allow themselves to be used as a tool of the Administration to obstruct. 

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It sure seems "normal" to have the senate coordinating with the whitehouse on the impeachment trial.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, illone said:

It sure seems "normal" to have the senate coordinating with the whitehouse on the impeachment trial.

 

 

 

Look at the bright side. They're coordinating with Donald Trump. 

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4 minutes ago, illone said:

It sure seems "normal" to have the senate coordinating with the whitehouse on the impeachment trial.

 

 

 

Courts coordinate with with the parties involved all the time.

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10 minutes ago, twa said:

 

Courts coordinate with with the parties involved all the time.


So justices and jurors regularly coordinate the defendant’s defense with them?

 

Ya learn something new every day.

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1 minute ago, Springfield said:


So justices and jurors regularly coordinate the defendant’s defense with them?

 

the courts do

 

Daschle's staff did During Clinton's impeachment

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