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@Anthony S. After talking to some of the coaches, they're interested in seeing if he [Jimmy Moreland] can move up the charts for the nickel and dime corner positions. As it is, they have Norman and Dunbar outside. Moreau and Stroman got heavy reps last season, then there's Danny Johnson, DRC and Adonis Alexander are also in the mix. He's got to climb up the depth charts past those guys before he could really think about starting. It's not impossible, given his attitude and ability to create plays, but we'll start to get a clearer picture as we work through minicamps, OTAs and training camp

 

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31 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

I think the Skins are gonna end up being forced to cut a corner who's pretty good.

Or risk putting a really good prospect on the PS.

 

 

I can’t help but wonder if DRC will be the Orlando Scandrick of this year and be cut in favor of a youngin. 

 

I also wouldn’t be surprised if Danny Johnson gets passed over for one of these newer dudes. 

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1 minute ago, Fresh8686 said:

 

I can’t help but wonder if DRC will be the Orlando Scandrick of this year and be cut in favor of a youngin. 

 

 

I hope so...I just have this feeling that he's got nothing much left in the tank.

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This is a position group worth paying attention too. Imagine if we had a young stud at CB. What if Adonis or Moreland develop into a CB1. They both from what I remember were touted ball hawks. We now have a pressure D given our talent in the front seven. At the very least teams should be one dimensional.  We need a CB1.

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3 hours ago, Fresh8686 said:

 

I can’t help but wonder if DRC will be the Orlando Scandrick of this year and be cut in favor of a youngin. 

Right, the young guys could make a strong case for the best choice from a long term perspective (Flowers, too, he might be inferior to the rookies for LG in camp).  Those two guys cost us the opportunity to get 2 comp picks.  And the guys they cancelled out, HHCD and Nsekhe, are a much more promising duo than DRC/Flowers.  

 

But on the flip side, I think every year has a late rounder/UDFA we all think is sure to break out, only to be replaced by the next late rounder/UDFA to come along.  Moreland / Holsey / Mitchel / Rambo / Crawford / Bernstine.  And the turnstile continues.

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19 minutes ago, SkinsFootball said:

This is a position group worth paying attention too. Imagine if we had a young stud at CB. 

 

Like Fuller?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, XxSpearheadxX said:

Kyle Fuller plays for the Chiefs

 

Thus the need to imagine

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1 hour ago, volsmet said:

 

Like Fuller?

 

 

Yes. and where is Fabian Monroe? Regardless it would be nice if Moreland can be that guy for us. We haven't had a lock down DB since Champ Bailey. 

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1 hour ago, KillBill26 said:

Right, the young guys could make a strong case for the best choice from a long term perspective (Flowers, too, he might be inferior to the rookies for LG in camp).  Those two guys cost us the opportunity to get 2 comp picks.  And the guys they cancelled out, HHCD and Nsekhe, are a much more promising duo than DRC/Flowers.  

 

But on the flip side, I think every year has a late rounder/UDFA we all think is sure to break out, only to be replaced by the next late rounder/UDFA to come along.  Moreland / Holsey / Mitchel / Rambo / Crawford / Bernstine.  And the turnstile continues.

 

True as this is, we also have stories like Rouller, Ioannidis, Dunbar, JHC, Everett, etc. Is say we're good at developing these young guys. The thing is we often let them compete against one another and we kinda keep the younger person. Harris and Sims is an example. Similar big body undrafted WRs. We developed Harris into a starter and he got a good contract. Now he's been replaced by Sims (among others). 

 

I think the way we did Scandrick last year is really confident in our coaching because it showed faith in Hosley, Dunbar, Johnson and Mosley as young guys. 

 

I really hope that one can emerge as a number 1 corner so we can move in from Norman, and its still a question of what these guys ceiling is, but we'll see. 

34 minutes ago, SkinsFootball said:

Yes. and where is Fabian Monroe? Regardless it would be nice if Moreland can be that guy for us. We haven't had a lock down DB since Champ Bailey. 

I disagree with that. If anything we've been getting shutdown corners all along

. Champ

. Smoot

. Springs

. Hall

. Rogers

 

Now we don't have one but I question if that's because we're playing this hybrid zone thing which is different that our old systems, and maybe that's easier in this new league with all the passing. 

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Shut down corners all along? Outside of Champ were any of those guys ever considered one of the Top 3-5 players at CB?

 

They all had some good to very good years but I don't see any consistent pro bowl or all-pro lockdown CB1 on that list.

 

We haven't had one since Champ.

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15 hours ago, Fresh8686 said:

 

I can’t help but wonder if DRC will be the Orlando Scandrick of this year and be cut in favor of a youngin. 

 

I also wouldn’t be surprised if Danny Johnson gets passed over for one of these newer dudes. 

The DRC signing was a great savvy move. Question marks at FS, plethora of questions at CB depth. Low risk, high reward. 

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59 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

The DRC signing was a great savvy move. Question marks at FS, plethora of questions at CB depth. Low risk, high reward. 

 

Yup, he’s good depth at both positions and I doubt he’s gonna rub people the wrong way like scandrick did. However, we only have so many spots and we’ve got a lot of potential in the building. It makes preseason so much more interesting now that our drafts and udfa’s are improving and pushing to make the roster. 

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2 hours ago, Fresh8686 said:

 

Yup, he’s good depth at both positions and I doubt he’s gonna rub people the wrong way like scandrick did. However, we only have so many spots and we’ve got a lot of potential in the building. It makes preseason so much more interesting now that our drafts and udfa’s are improving and pushing to make the roster. 


We aren't really building for this year. All things being equal, or nearly equal, and we should cut the 30-something year old CB and keep all of our young promising CB's. 

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8 hours ago, Anselmheifer said:


We aren't really building for this year. All things being equal, or nearly equal, and we should cut the 30-something year old CB and keep all of our young promising CB's. 

 

I agree and given the choices made over the past couple seasons I’d say Jay Gruden feels the same way when it comes to youth with a higher ceiling than what an older vet can provide. 

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2 hours ago, Anselmheifer said:


We aren't really building for this year. All things being equal, or nearly equal, and we should cut the 30-something year old CB and keep all of our young promising CB's. 

 

FO and coaches feel defense is ready to lead and dominate in games this year, so younger players have less leverage this upcoming year at some spots. 

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8 hours ago, SkinsFootball said:

Shut down corners all along? Outside of Champ were any of those guys ever considered one of the Top 3-5 players at CB?

 

They all had some good to very good years but I don't see any consistent pro bowl or all-pro lockdown CB1 on that list.

 

We haven't had one since Champ.

 

I mean, now we're splitting hairs. Yeah i do think that all of them were excellent in man coverage. Some better than others, some with better days but they weren't the problem with our defense. The problem was that we had no line and later that we were running them in a zone scheme that's like cover 3 instead of man. 

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So, what are like the flaws in Moreland's game? I know he's undersized. But he apparently can play man. Does he gamble too much, is he suspect to double moves, does he turn his head? I'm interested in seeing some training camp battles and even more done Preseason games to see how he plays. 

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5 minutes ago, Thinking Skins said:

So, what are like the flaws in Moreland's game? I know he's undersized. But he apparently can play man. Does he gamble too much, is he suspect to double moves, does he turn his head? I'm interested in seeing some training camp battles and even more done Preseason games to see how he plays. 

 

According to the breakdown I linked to above, Cooley says he is able to be "big bodied", and an admission that playing at the level he did, the question arises did he ever face anyone with true speed.  Other than that, everything was really positive, good at reading receiver body language and keying QB eyes, defends the back shoulder well, excellent at jamming at the LOS, his interceptions weren't inflated by flukey tipped balls.  But we're talking about a small school prospect who wasn't invited to the combine, so it's probably going to be hard to know if he can hack it at this level until we see it.

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6 minutes ago, Bifflog said:

 

According to the breakdown I linked to above, Cooley says he is able to be "big bodied", and an admission that playing at the level he did, the question arises did he ever face anyone with true speed.  Other than that, everything was really positive, good at reading receiver body language and keying QB eyes, defends the back shoulder well, excellent at jamming at the LOS, his interceptions weren't inflated by flukey tipped balls.  But we're talking about a small school prospect who wasn't invited to the combine, so it's probably going to be hard to know if he can hack it at this level until we see it.

Yeah, this seems similar to Danny last year. I think he's faster than Danny though. 

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4 hours ago, Thinking Skins said:

 

I mean, now we're splitting hairs. Yeah i do think that all of them were excellent in man coverage. Some better than others, some with better days but they weren't the problem with our defense. The problem was that we had no line and later that we were running them in a zone scheme that's like cover 3 instead of man. 

We are not splitting hairs. Do you believe that any of them were a Top 3-5 corner in their best years?

 

Would they have been better with our current front seven? Probably. But circumstances are exactly what they are..  circumstances.  

 

I don't think any of them were excellent in anything.  Yes. that includes man coverage. We need an upgrade at the position and that has been evident since we traded away Champ Bailey. 

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