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      The home team fans are at home, these games no longer matter, and it’s probably better for the team to lose than it is to win.  It must be December in Washington.  Welcome to week 15!
       
      Redskins Inactive: 
      Colt McCoy  
      Trey Quinn 
      Quinton Dunbar  
      Josh Harvey-Clemons  
      Ross Pierschbacher  
      Brandon Scherff  
      Caleb Wilson  
       
      Eagles Inactive: 
      Nate Sudfeld  
      Nelson Agholor 
      Jordan Howard  
      Shareef Miller 
      Lane Johnson  
      Sua Opeta  
      Derek Barnet
       
      There are two camps for Redskins fans at this time of year.  Those that want to tank and those that want to win.  If this describes you, I want you to know something important. You’re wrong.  You should probably feel bad about it too, but that’s your business.  The right way to go about this, is simply to embrace the doublethink.  
       
      Before and after the game it’s perfectly reasonable to acknowledge that losing has its advantages.  It does and it is undeniable.  Afterall we could be talking about the difference between Chase Young being in a Redskins uniform, or not.  What we need for that to happen is simple.  Redskins lose out.  Giants beat the Dolphins and Redskins.  Dolphins beat the Bengals.  All of these things are perfectly reasonable outcomes.  We’re that close to having an elite pass rusher.   
       
      Before that happens, we have a game to play.  It is in this moment that we should embrace the other side of our demented doublethink.  While the game is being played, especially against a division opponent, fans should want their team to do well.  Assuming they have a soul and any decency.  There is just no way that I can root for the Eagles to beat the Redskins during a game.  If you are the type of fan that does this, I hope you find someone that can fix what has broken inside of you.   
       
      Pregame Prediction:  Redskins 23 – Eagles 30  
      More interesting game we are missing because we are still watching the Redskins:  Packers – Bears  
      Things I am snacking on:  Brownie.   
      Number of colons used:  Six.  (so far)  
       
      Check back for updates.  I’m going to wander around the room for a while and stretch my legs to get away from a certain well-known ESPN Eagle fan’s boring conversations that my ear phones aren’t blocking out entirely.
       
      1st Quarter Redskins 7 - 3 Eagles
      "The Closer" Haskins showed up for work early today and hit his former college teammate for a touchdown.  He really took the life out of this crowd in *checks notes* Fedex Field. 
       
      2nd Quarter Redskins 14 - 10 Eagles
      This quarter was defined by penalties.  The Redskins made the mistake of lightly hitting an Eagles tight end on the shoulder, and then another by tackling the Eagles QB around the waist.  Refs clearly didn't appreciate the Redskins playing football.
       
      This is the best half of football of Haskins pro career.  The Redskins passing offense as a whole has looked impressive, which... well it just shouldn't be.  Right?  Feels like a trap.  As soon as we start to feel good about it, BOOM they'll tear our hearts out. 
       
      I'll say this much though, Redskins receivers have been running around wide open throughout this first half.  The Redskins should have scored more than 14.
       
      Halftime:  If you had a choice between standing in a relatively long line for ice cream and cookies or nachos and hot dogs which would you choose?  I would go with ice cream.  Unfortunately I didn't realize there were two separate lines, and so I ended up with nachos and disappointment.  Also, I should probably mention Urban Meyer is here.  I bet he got the ice cream.   
       
      3rd Quarter Redskins 14 - 17 Eagles
      Wentz made a good throw, giving his team the lead, and it reminded me that Wentz was once a pretty good QB.  Hasn't looked like it often today.  The Eagles really haven't had a lot of open players for Wentz to throw to, but there is more to it than that.  Wentz looks slow. 
       
      Haskins has out played him through three quarters, and we haven't even reached Haskins best quarter. 
       
      4th Quarter Redskins 27 - 37 Eagles
      Some drunk Redskins fans sitting in front of the press box have recognized a Eagles fan that appears often on CNN and have started knocking on the glass to wave their hands and smile at him now the the Redskins have the lead.  These fans have apparently never learned not to tempt fate.
       
      Redskins defense played fairly well all game but picked the worst possible time to give up a long drive for a touchdown.  The Eagles offense came off the field with a four point lead and less than a minute left in the game.  The fumble return for a touchdown on the aborted hail marry attempt just added insult to injury.  Redskins come up short, for the eleventh time this season. 
       
      End of game thoughts.  Haskins actually looked like a real NFL QB for an entire NFL game.  Not just a drive here or there, but for an entire game Haskins looked like he belonged.  He looked like one of the reasons the Redskins might win the game.  He's shown flashes in the past but nothing like this.  A very encouraging sign for fans that believe he can be a part of the future here. 
       
      The Giants did their part to fall back in the draft, by absolutely dismantling the mighty Dolphins.  May the Giants be victorious, at least one more time this season.  We just need to lose to the Giants and have the Dolphins beat the Bengals, and the Redskins will be sitting alone at 3 wins.  Chase Young could happen.

       
       
       
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Welcome to the Redskins Cole Holcomb LB North Carolina

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1 hour ago, JaxJoe said:

I’m trying to comprehend traditional LB responsibilities (Will, Mike, Sam) with what I think is the recent direction the Redskins are taking with smaller yet much faster ILBs like Rueben Foster, Hamilton, and now Holcomb: all in the 230 lb range. I guess gone are the days of a 250lb Fletcher-like downhill backers whose immediate job was to crash A&B gaps. Now we have the more read-then-react types. Or, is it a reflection of the confidence our coaches have in our front three to cover those gaps, albeit for a split second, long enough for our flighty inside bakers to react to run vs. pass?

 

It is a recent preference that seemingly coincides with Manusky at DC. And as he used to be our LB coach, I have a feeling this is his preference. 

Good post, and good point.  I do think our coverage issues and problems defending outside runs were impacted by Foster’s lack of speed.  Very interested to see how Manusky uses these guys.  

24 minutes ago, bowhunter said:

The NFC East has both Zeke and Saquan as featured backs, and both are capable of bringing a load. As the league seems to trend towards smaller faster LBs, I see a few teams being able to capitalize on that with a Ground and Pound Smashmouth attack.  Leighton Vander Esch is a package at almost 260lbs and I hated to see him go to our most hated rival. (Although Sean Lee was only 230lbs and he seemed to haunt us plenty as well.) Holcomb at 230lbs and "only" 6'1 Might be thickly built enough to handle the load, but I didn't really see much of a punishing tackler. Yes, Our DL may be able allow them to close cleanly, but it is of little value if our LBs have to absorb the impact and give up 1-2 yards after contact.

The thing I don’t get - it seems to me that 1 gapping dlinemen means less of a chance backers are kept clean.  On the other hand, if your linemen are shooting gaps in the middle, outside runs could become more prevalent, which could lend to needing more speed (by ILBs) to get to the outside.  

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3 hours ago, skinny21 said:

This really surprises me as his speed shows up on tape IMO.  

As I said above, I don’t trust pro day numbers, but his tape does seem to back it up (at least to an extent).  


I agree that pro day numbers aren't as reliable, but you can only juice them so much. 

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On 4/27/2019 at 3:21 PM, PCS said:

Welcome to the Redskins young fellow. 

 

Cole Holcomb 

LB 

North Carolina 

 

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Cole Holcomb Draft Profile

 

 

HEIGHT 6' 1"

WEIGHT 231 lbs

ARMS 31 3/8”

HANDS 9 7/8”

Prospect Grade

5.36

NFL BACKUP OR SPECIAL TEAMS POTENTIAL

Forget backup and special teams Mr. Holcomb, after Fosters injury earlier today you have a shot as a starter. 

 

You best be studying harder than ever to prepare, be a sponge on the field and in meetings, you may want to gain a couple pounds and for God sake, stay away from Catalina!

 

You could end out playing next Molasses Foster so it is a good thing you are fast, he will cover 1/4 of the field you get the rest.

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I watched some of Holcombs play last year and don’t understand how people are saying he played fast? If he was so quick he would have gotten a few more sacks than the one he got all year. He was fairly unimpressive to me.  He’s undersized and a rookie so I don’t anticipate much from him besides being a special teamer if he even makes the team. I think Jordan Brailford has a better shot of getting playing time. 

 

Shaun Dion and Josh Harvey need to step it up. I heard they put on some weight and hopefully a year under the belt means they make an impact this year. 

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5 minutes ago, skinsfan93 said:

I watched some of Holcombs play last year and don’t understand how people are saying he played fast? If he was so quick he would have gotten a few more sacks than the one he got all year.

 

 

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I just noticed that the poor there was for size and not speed, although it's on the line with speed. It always confused me how speed could be f

Green in one area and then red in the next column. 

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Screams Teams

 

Although with our ongoing injury bug, he may be starting by week 4

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MLB at times is like the RB position, where rookies can make an impact early. We’ll see. 

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Hopefully with all that late bloomer talk pre-draft he still has more room to grow. He was a walk-on who grinded his way up from special teams to a starting role and eventually led his team in tackles. Here's hoping he can follow a similar, albeit probably accelerated trajectory for us. Hopefully our staff can get him some sand in has pants so he can play with more explosion, but that'll take more time than we have right now.

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Maybe the least hyped rookie predraft but he's getting his share of buzz.  Supposedly this was Jay's guy in the draft and who he pushed for.  2 of the previous "Jay guys" that he pushed for in the draft were Quinn and Ioannidis.  So I trust Jay's eye.

 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/training-camp-notes-donald-penn-getting-better-each-day-redskins

 

  • Cole Holcomb has shown to be adept at reading run plays, and on Monday, he made a play in the pass game, too. Holcomb followed Matt Flanagan — who, to be fair, is not exactly a flier at tight end — deep down the center of the field and at the last second, jumped backward to deflect the incoming pass. For a linebacker, it was an impressive effort, as he turned his head while running at 100 percent and located the ball in time to knock it away. He looks like he can help Greg Manusky's defense this season.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, SkinsGuy said:

I sense a rookie mancrush from fans for this kid :)

 

How does he only have 2 pages ?

He's literally one of the best rookie performers in TC.

I bet if anyone here is a member of a Dallas or Saints forum, they'd get a kick out of it, if you posted his Ryan impersonation over there.

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Just listened to a Rob Ryan interview and he was asked which player is going to surprise people -- he said Holcomb and then raved about him.  

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10 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Just listened to a Rob Ryan interview and he was asked which player is going to surprise people -- he said Holcomb and then raved about him.  

 

Man I keep thinking would could have been on the defensive side of the ball had R Foster not gone down. But pleasantly surprised with the addition of Bostic and hearing about SDH and Holcomb. Hopefully some much needed speed can’t wait to watch Holcomb on thursday 

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2 hours ago, HardcoreZorn said:

 

Man I keep thinking would could have been on the defensive side of the ball had R Foster not gone down. But pleasantly surprised with the addition of Bostic and hearing about SDH and Holcomb. Hopefully some much needed speed can’t wait to watch Holcomb on thursday 

 

He wasn't invited to the combine but some of the draft geek types who I respect like Brugler liked him a lot. Great athlete.  When Zach Brown was signed as a FA, many (me included) touted his speed for the position.  Holcomb is even faster than him. 

 

  I've noticed in recent weeks all the mentions that he was Jay's guy that he pounded the table for.  And Jay is really good at times at nailing some of the late rounder types including Ionnaidis and Quinn.  Granted Quinn hasn't really played yet.

 

More than anything, I love reading about him being a workaholic, last to leave, etc.  I wonder if Holcomb ultimately overtakes SDH.    Keim likes to say they like but don't love SDH and that's partly why they chased Mosley, etc.    Supposedly SDH from what I've read in camp is better going downhill to stop the run as opposed to pass coverage.  Holcomb according to those watching him can cover well.  So wonder if they mix the two?  

 

Speaking of Bostic I just listened to an interview of his on 106.7 -- he's incredibly articulate and sounds smart explaining defenses.  Purely on that front, he reminds me of London Fletcher. 

 

The reason why I typically hesitate about this defense being great-elite and am sticking to very good for now is my worry about their MLBs.  And I've been saying since last season for them to be elite -- IMO they need a stud MLB or two.   The Cowboys defense to me is better than ours because of their 2 stud MLBs.

 

If Holcomb ends up being a stud then I think the defense can be special.  To me the MLB position is the big wild card.  

 

https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/20/jay-gruden-biggest-advocate-drafting-cole-holcomb/

It turns out Jay Gruden is the one who initially saw something in Holcomb.

 

Eric Shaffer, senior vice president of football operations, revealed the bit of background info, per Redskins.com:

“Jay Gruden does the work, he watches the tape. He’ll have strong opinions [on the players]. He was very instrumental in the Redskins drafting [Matt] Ioannidis and had some really strong opinions on guys this year. I think Cole Holcomb out of North Carolina was one of those guys that Jay really stood up for.”

Holcomb, a fifth-round rookie, impressed in workouts ahead of training camp. Call it a good sign, as he might be asked to play a bigger role than originally expected in the wake of the Reuben Foster injury.

Gruden has been adamant since the draft that it is all about coverage ability for linebackers. Holcomb can certainly do that, so it isn’t too surprising to learn he was one of the guys in the draft room pounding the table for him.

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Forgot that Zach Brown went to the same college as him, this is short segment (2 minutes) about Cole's athleticism with his coach saying he'd put his athletic numbers against any LB he's ever had including Zach.

 

 

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I was expecting much from Holcomb as a fifth round pick but if he can be half the player of a Luke Keuchly or that guy Vander Esch in Dallas we might just have something. I hear a lot of his speed and coverage abilities but I wanna see how he tackles. We need MLB who is a sure tackler. 

 

I believe he had a lot of tackles in college but this is a whole new level. We shall see. 

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7 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

So Holcomb is faster than Zach Brown was at his combine ?

Probably will become a better all-around player than Zach, too.

That makes me feel better about that "trade-off" of players.

 

Yeah Holcomb ran 4.48, if I recall Brown was 4.51.

 

 

 

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