ThomasRoane Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Callhan will have to really work on his pad level in the run game. I think he gets excited and trusts his upper body strength too much. He wants to bury his man and you can't always do that. Watch the film again. Note that on a lot of run plays his helmet is higher than his opponent. Ok for a tackle. Not good for a guard. A good guard is a knee bender. I tell my guard's that if they can't see the defender's chin strap then they're playing too high. If he tries that vs Ionnaidas, Payne, Allen, or even Settle he's going to be knocked on his ass. Hopefully that will happen early on so he'll realize what he needs to do. (He should watch film of Brandon Scherff; who almost always has his helmet below his opponent - hence the reason he's one of the best guards in the NFL.) It can definitely be fixed though and I attribute his bad habit to his aggressive mentality. I think he gets excited and wants to big boy his man. He has a good first step to cut off back side 1 tech; gets his helmet between the defender and the ball and gets that second power step up-field in a hurry. That's not an easy thing to do and too often we've seen our LG miss and the poor RB wondering how in the hell he got hit from behind so quickly on an outside zone run. On play side he does a good job on combos. Not super athletic in the open field but really in today's scheme you'd rather for your lineman to get in the way of defenders and impede their progress. Pancakes are nice but it's more important to screen the defender and let the RB read it out. I really like his mental acuity and footwork in pass pro. He maintains a wide base and, iIronically, he does get his butt down in pass pro after he anchors. (He'll need to anchor sooner tho vs NFL talent and I'm sure he'll realize that in training camp). He does a really good job of recognizing stunts and passing off his man. He stays active and doesn't just guard grass. He looks for work. Overall, I like the kid and not having seen Flowers play guard yet I'd give him the edge (based on potential) to be the week 1 starting LG. P.S. Watch his hand placement. Experts talk so much about it for defenders but really it's just as important for offense. He does an excellent job of keeping his hands in the chest. Which will negate a lot of holding calls and will help him to maintain control of his man. He does a good job of mirroring with his feet too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, ThomasRoane said: Fantastic write up! Thank you for that valuable insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinzplay Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 He had me at "lunch pail". I like the two linemen we picked, and the coach who'll tutor 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newera Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 He may start. Finally a real prospect. Could take oline to next level. Kyle Smith taking our scouting department to a new level. Sleeper gem. You gotta,love this draft. Maybe the best since Beatherd days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Looking forward to the day he is handed over the LG position. He won't let anyone take it from him for 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said: The best part of this is all the fans coming to the defense of Lavaou, claiming when he was healthy he was OK. I have no idea what they were watching, when he was signed Browns fans could not understand it. Always a bad sign when a Browns fan is laughing at your team. As for this pick I am guilty of looking at the player rankings too and making a determination which is not really the way to do it. Mixed results but enough positive ones to make me feel better about this pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 RG: Scherff LG: Scherff-'light' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Throw bodies at the OL and see which ones are the most ready to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just read Mark Bullock's breakdown of Wes Martin. (It's on The Athletic) Long story short, he thinks Martin is going to push for the starting role against Ereck Flowers immediately. Pro's: - Consistency, Mark Bullock was surprised at how consistent he was - Recognizes stunts/blitzers and when to help well - Strong - Moves feet well while blocking to keep defender from gaining angles - Moves forward well to connect on reach blocks or hitting linebackers in the 2nd level Con's: - Moves poorly when trying to pull. He's ok while pulling, but getting out of his stance and starting to move across the line is pretty awkward for him. - Arm length is just 'OK' for a Guard, and he's pretty susceptible to the Push/Pull move (something our own Jon Allen does well) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 The fact that all the talkers considered this guy an "unknown" simply proves how excellent our scouting department is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 In his own words, " Fat Guy Highlights are fun to watch too!! " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShredder Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 On 4/28/2019 at 7:58 PM, UK SKINS FAN '74 said: RG: Scherff LG: Scherff-'light' Scherff is awesome in the blocking game at another level, but Wes isn't going to get that right away. I like the pick and his story. I think it might take him a year to get to another level. He doesn't have to get far to eclipse Lavou. I think his pass pro might get there first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 On 4/27/2019 at 7:12 PM, ThomasRoane said: P.S. Watch his hand placement. Experts talk so much about it for defenders but really it's just as important for offense. He does an excellent job of keeping his hands in the chest. Which will negate a lot of holding calls and will help him to maintain control of his man. He does a good job of mirroring with his feet too. Late to this party but great write up. I would argue hands are more important for a guard than their feet (not that feet are not important). At guard everything happens right now - need to get your hands on your man in the right place so you can control him. This is one of the reasons I just dont think Flowers is going to transition well to guard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverSurrender Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Just watching a tiny bit of tape on this guy and he looks legit. The only knock on him is his short arms and stiffness. But he strength more then makes up for it. Im betting he is the day-1 starter at LG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh8686 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 I love how well he picks up stunts, we ****ing sucked at that last year. We could have used that skill in the colts and cowboys games. Although he's kind of mediocre at pulling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreZorn Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 So if Martin starts, does everyone realize that would mean all 5 OL were drafted by the skins, as well as our 3 interior DL and both of our edges? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Malapropismic Depository Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Martin has even taught his dogs to block. Look at the hit that gets laid on the white one on the right ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 16 hours ago, MartinC said: This is one of the reasons I just dont think Flowers is going to transition well to guard! Although everything that has been said relating to Flowers was his transition to guard, Im not sure I actually believe that, not totally anyway. He was picked up about a week before the news broke about Trent having a major health scare which would have resulted in him missing this season. I think Flowers was acquired with one eye in that situation too. But the news around Trent wasn't in the public domain. Just a suspicion on my part. As for Martin, I think he starts week 1. No doubt from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander -JB- Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 You can’t go wrong with offensive lineman from the Midwest! I always wondered what would Mark Schlereth’s scouting report look like? Especially considering he was picked in the 10th round 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
757SeanTaylor21 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Theres a stretch in that clip where he pancakes, then gets tk next level...pancakes, next level..that was fun tk watch actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 He's slightly undersized for the position. Makes up for it with strength and toughness and patience. Has a compact build like Payne with minimal sloppy weight. Looks stiff in his hips but has quick feet and good balance to cope after he engages without falling off the block. I like him. He is smart and clean and tough and has explosive power. The size is why he was available to us on day three instead of going higher. That doesn't seem to be a huge deterrence to us as we've been getting a little smaller in the interior of our lines on both sides of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said: He's slightly undersized for the position. Makes up for it with strength and toughness and patience. Has a compact build like Payne with minimal sloppy weight. Looks stiff in his hips but has quick feet and good balance to cope after he engages without falling off the block. I like him. He is smart and clean and tough and has explosive power. The size is why he was available to us on day three instead of going higher. That doesn't seem to be a huge deterrence to us as we've been getting a little smaller in the interior of our lines on both sides of the ball. I hated the pick initially, but upon further research, it has grown on me. Given that he is going to be competing against Erik Flowers and the corpses of a bunch of LG's, I think he has a really good chance to start. It would be a great success if he can start and be good. Martin-Roullier-Scherff would at least give us a solid young trio on the interior, and then we can focus on solidifying the tackle position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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