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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.

       
       
       
       
       
       
       

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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1 hour ago, skinsfan93 said:

I like Josh and think he has the ability to play outside as a lb in our 3-4. He definitely showed some pass rushing abilities last year.  I think if he can show something then he and Sweat can rotate along with Ryan. I still like Mason and Ryan Anderson to be our mlbs and have Shaun and Rueben as our backups with one of them alternating outside. 

 

If you ask me that’s a pretty formidable linebacker crew!

I view the ILB'ers as a true competition in training camp.  I don't think there's anyone getting anointed the starter at this point.  The ILB'er play last year was a major issue.  Brown just didn't play consistently and Foster was way too slow.  I'd imagine that when they cut Brown, they told Mason that he has to play faster to remain, so he lost 15 lbs in the off-season.  Then the addition of Re.Foster brings the group into full competition.  I have my own opinion on what I've seen Re.Foster do and not do on the limited NFL tape.  He could benefit from learning a few things about ILB'er from London Fletcher.

20 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

Not really, if Mason Foster and Ryan Anderson are starting at ILB, that means Reuben Foster and SDH must be terrible players. 

This duo has a history of playing well behind the likes of Allen and Payne.  It's clear that the idea was to get this middle lineup on the field at the same time.  Doesn't mean that it has to happen this year, because they all might not be at the best players on the roster at their positions, at the same time right now... However, we could expect to at least see them in packages and progressing towards that grouping at a minimum. 

 

With all the question marks going into 2019 it appears like the Skins are working towards being a 2020 contender.

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What character issues?  I remember hearing something about that during the draft coverage but no one's been concrete on it.  I saw some mentions of weed, maybe, but in 2019 that's not a big deal.  

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/insider/story/_/id/26655155/nfl-execs-unfiltered-every-team-2019-draft-class

 

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"Sweat could be the best pass-rusher in the draft, but there are serious medical and character concerns that took him off some boards entirely," an evaluator said. "He is a potential Randy Gregory. Washington's entire defense, or most of it, will be interesting that way based on some of the guys they've got."

 

What serious character concerns?  I've watched videos on him, some interviews.  Seems like an incredibly hard working, thoughtful guy.  Potential Randy Gregory?  Not seeing it.

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49 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

What character issues?  I remember hearing something about that during the draft coverage but no one's been concrete on it.  I saw some mentions of weed, maybe, but in 2019 that's not a big deal.  

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/insider/story/_/id/26655155/nfl-execs-unfiltered-every-team-2019-draft-class

 

 

What serious character concerns?  I've watched videos on him, some interviews.  Seems like an incredibly hard working, thoughtful guy.  Potential Randy Gregory?  Not seeing it.

The character issues came into play when he went to Michigan State and got kicked off the team for smoking weed and stealing a bike.  When he got to Mississippi State.  Had a good coach straighten him out and made a couple good friends on the D-lines that focused on getting drafted.  He's fine and the character issues were awhile ago.  

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2832503-whats-the-story-with-montez-sweat

 

 

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Love the pick.  Hopefully character wise and health wise it all checks out -- most seem to think it will.

 

I see PFF isn't a big fan of him and said he will remind us of Preston Smith -- solid-good but nothing special.    I think they will be wrong.  Will see. 

 

He's explosive.  Maybe not with the bend-agility of a dude like Brian Burns but IMO its easy to see the burst-speed.  He plays with a high motor, has multiple pass rushing moves, a menace to QBs.  

 

I always thought Preston is somewhat overrated against the run.  Generally I liked Preston so am not down on him.  Sweat to me reminds me very little of Preston.  Forgetting the speed and pass rushing ability -- the dude is a monster against the run.  He has the longest wingspan of any eligible edge rusher in this draft.    I show some of his run stopping in the mix of pass rushing here.  But that dude to me will be a tremendous help among other things to stop the run.   With Allen and Sweat likely manning the right side -- I'd pick my poison by running outside zone on the left in Kerrigan's direction.  The thing is Landon will likely play a lot on the left side since its typically the strong side to help stop the run.

 

My point is for all of Sweat's pass rushing potential -- I think we also added one of the best run stopping edge guys in the league.   Wonder where @volsmetis?  He was a big Sweat guy. 😀  My only concern about Sweat is dropping back into coverage.  The games I watched I didn't see much of that so I assume that will be an adjustment.

 

With some players you got to look hard to find highlight plays.  But for Sweat its easy whether its pass rushing or stopping the run.

 

 

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On 4/26/2019 at 3:30 AM, Burgold said:

Question for the draft gurus out there--

 

If Sweat hadn't been misdiagnosed with a heart condition where would he likely have been taken? Was he top ten? Top five? Top twenty?

 

Generally I saw him associated w/that second tiering of guys locked in to go around 1.04 to about 1.12, most likely in the 6-10 area. 

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Been watching his tapes and doing that with a grain o'salt, it is hard to assess collegiate play against collegiate talent and translating that to the pros, but he does seem to have a consistent ability to use those long arms to keep the linemen off him, and break off to make a play. It would be nice to see a guy come off the edge and not just automatically get ridden beyond the pocket and out of the play.

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On 4/26/2019 at 12:36 PM, -JB- said:

As soon as I saw the Skins traded up to the 26th pick I said “It has to be for Montez Sweat.”  Glad I was right!

 

Like many I didn't even realize it happened. At 715 the bed time ritual for my two year old begins, so I'm occupied with bath, dressing for it and reading time, then I get time for a shower, then I'm able to relax, and when I came down, I noticed while rewinding that the redskins were inexplicably on the clock, I managed to rewind w/o seeing what happened (looking away) and then spent a bunch of minutes dodging calls from my excited brother, and praying it wasn't for super-reach Hollywood Brown. I was SO SO SO relieved when I saw Brown several slots before our pick, and then I watched hoping it wasn't stupid and then grew increasingly excited as I saw Montez continue to fall. Fantastic. I hope we find a way to recoup that second (probably not) as I expect it to be top 40 in a fantastic class, but there's no arguing that Sweat was/is more valuable than the 45th or so pick and a pick next year likely to be top 40-45. Sweat was a top 5-12 pick this year w/o the Heart rumors and a top 3-4 edge in a class loaded with front seven talent (and the most athletic of the edge rushers to boot). 

 

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On 5/2/2019 at 5:41 PM, skinsfan93 said:

I like Josh and think he has the ability to play outside as a lb in our 3-4. He definitely showed some pass rushing abilities last year.  I think if he can show something then he and Sweat can rotate along with Ryan. I still like Mason and Ryan Anderson to be our mlbs and have Shaun and Rueben as our backups with one of them alternating outside. 

 

If you ask me that’s a pretty formidable linebacker crew!

 

You are suggesting Reuben Foster will be a backup to Ryan Anderson and Mason Foster?  

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On 5/2/2019 at 5:41 PM, skinsfan93 said:

I like Josh and think he has the ability to play outside as a lb in our 3-4. He definitely showed some pass rushing abilities last year.  I think if he can show something then he and Sweat can rotate along with Ryan. I still like Mason and Ryan Anderson to be our mlbs and have Shaun and Rueben as our backups with one of them alternating outside. 

 

If you ask me that’s a pretty formidable linebacker crew!

No no no no no. We should not have the two slowest players on the team starting at ILB.

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On 5/6/2019 at 5:13 AM, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

You are suggesting Reuben Foster will be a backup to Ryan Anderson and Mason Foster?  

 

I hope Ryan Anderson has made huge strides, and Mason, I don’t care how much weight he’s lost, is still too slow.  Mason’s a good guy but I want to win.

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Ryan Anderson looked more the part of an nfl ilb than an edge in college. 

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58 minutes ago, volsmet said:

Ryan Anderson looked more the part of an nfl ilb than an edge in college. 

I agree about Ryan maybe being better suited for ILB but until Sweat actually plays a down I think Anderson is starting OLB taking over for Preston.  Sweat should overtake him fast but I do think that Ryan is a competitor and will make his presence felt. 

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5 minutes ago, NeverSurrender said:

I agree about Ryan maybe being better suited for ILB but until Sweat actually plays a down I think Anderson is starting OLB taking over for Preston.  Sweat should overtake him fast but I do think that Ryan is a competitor and will make his presence felt. 

 

That's jus going by the book, everyone knows Sweat I'd better the Ryan right now. 

 

I got blasted for wanting to move Ryan inside his rookie year because an olb is an olb is an olb and hes only played olb.  If we want him on the field it's most likely at ilb,  ANYONE faster then Mason foster.

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Will lose my mind if Mason is out in space consistently next season. I believe he possesses value situationally, but it must be limited. 

 

Knew the odds were slim, but off the wall excited about the prospects of Reuben and Zach flying around in the middle next season. 

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2 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

 

That's jus going by the book, everyone knows Sweat I'd better the Ryan right now. 

 

I got blasted for wanting to move Ryan inside his rookie year because an olb is an olb is an olb and hes only played olb.  If we want him on the field it's most likely at ilb,  ANYONE faster then Mason foster.

 

Anderson’s coverage numbers, per pff, were phenomenal. Watching him v Adams (U of Washington), he was obliterated, but he had brilliant instincts & movement in space.

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-players-wed-like-to-see-more-of-in-2019

 

 

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7 hours ago, volsmet said:

 

Anderson’s coverage numbers, per pff, were phenomenal. Watching him v Adams (U of Washington), he was obliterated, but he had brilliant instincts & movement in space.

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-players-wed-like-to-see-more-of-in-2019

 

 

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This is pretty surprising. We all saw him play, when he actually did play, and few of us recall anything of note.  But I loved this pick at the time and I'm still holding out hope but I am having my doubts.  

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14 hours ago, volsmet said:

Ryan Anderson looked more the part of an nfl ilb than an edge in college. 

 

When we drafted him, I thought it was to play ILB, didn't even think twice about it. 

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If you listened to Cooley's breakdowns last year he rated Anderson in the high 70's to mid 80's almost every week, he was begging the Skins to give him more reps which they did as the season went on. 

 

I stopped listening to his podcasts after the Texans game so not sure how Cooley graded him the rest of the year.

 

So that PFF grade is not that surprising.

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Anderson’s grade is entirely based on coverage & holding up v the run, things that don’t typically stand out for Edge guys, but provide enough context to let us know he has traits that will allow him to positively impact the game for us. 

 

Staying outside he could eventually become a player like our old friend from Fairfax, they have some similarities.

 

 

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I like Anderson against the run but LOVE Sweat against the run.  Sweat against the run is an animal.   Anderson is an effort guy in large part -- he doesn't have long arms or good speed for that position but plays with an attitude, strong hands and is smart.   Sweat on the other hand has freakish speed and freakish arm length -- the one thing that most obviously stands out in my view above all when watching him is his play against the run.  If a RB gets past Anderson he's unlikely going to chase you down.  Sweat can chase you down.  I think good shot he quickly becomes the best run stopper in the league at edge.

 

 

 

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Dem arms - you can see the huge wingspan in the vids.

 

Hopefully we will let him try and block kicks.

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7 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

 

This is pretty surprising. We all saw him play, when he actually did play, and few of us recall anything of note.  But I loved this pick at the time and I'm still holding out hope but I am having my doubts.  

The issue was pass rushing.  Seems to be a good OLB but his limitations at pass rush pushes him down the roster.  Could be an excellent rotational player based in game situation. Frankly I don't see him as a bust just because we drafted a potentially elite player that will replace him and I'd sign him to an extension next year if he performs to the same level as he has.

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15 minutes ago, nonniey said:

The issue was pass rushing.  Seems to be a good OLB but his limitations at pass rush pushes him down the roster.  Could be an excellent rotational player based in game situation. Frankly I don't see him as a bust just because we drafted a potentially elite player that will replace him and I'd sign him to an extension next year if he performs to the same level as he has.

 

He’s not a busy because very few people had expectations for him. He doesn’t have the length or speed or explosion to impact the game as a pass rusher. He was an enormous reach in Rd 2, just like Trent Murphy. Almost the entire board recognized him as a reach at the time. It’s not hindsight. And, we were right. 

 

Sweat is going to start as long as he looks ok in camp and the preseason. 

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I'd rather see Anderson and Sweat starting over Kerrigan. Doesn't close on the QB, terrible in coverage and overpersues the run.

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