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      The home team fans are at home, these games no longer matter, and it’s probably better for the team to lose than it is to win.  It must be December in Washington.  Welcome to week 15!
       
      Redskins Inactive: 
      Colt McCoy  
      Trey Quinn 
      Quinton Dunbar  
      Josh Harvey-Clemons  
      Ross Pierschbacher  
      Brandon Scherff  
      Caleb Wilson  
       
      Eagles Inactive: 
      Nate Sudfeld  
      Nelson Agholor 
      Jordan Howard  
      Shareef Miller 
      Lane Johnson  
      Sua Opeta  
      Derek Barnet
       
      There are two camps for Redskins fans at this time of year.  Those that want to tank and those that want to win.  If this describes you, I want you to know something important. You’re wrong.  You should probably feel bad about it too, but that’s your business.  The right way to go about this, is simply to embrace the doublethink.  
       
      Before and after the game it’s perfectly reasonable to acknowledge that losing has its advantages.  It does and it is undeniable.  Afterall we could be talking about the difference between Chase Young being in a Redskins uniform, or not.  What we need for that to happen is simple.  Redskins lose out.  Giants beat the Dolphins and Redskins.  Dolphins beat the Bengals.  All of these things are perfectly reasonable outcomes.  We’re that close to having an elite pass rusher.   
       
      Before that happens, we have a game to play.  It is in this moment that we should embrace the other side of our demented doublethink.  While the game is being played, especially against a division opponent, fans should want their team to do well.  Assuming they have a soul and any decency.  There is just no way that I can root for the Eagles to beat the Redskins during a game.  If you are the type of fan that does this, I hope you find someone that can fix what has broken inside of you.   
       
      Pregame Prediction:  Redskins 23 – Eagles 30  
      More interesting game we are missing because we are still watching the Redskins:  Packers – Bears  
      Things I am snacking on:  Brownie.   
      Number of colons used:  Six.  (so far)  
       
      Check back for updates.  I’m going to wander around the room for a while and stretch my legs to get away from a certain well-known ESPN Eagle fan’s boring conversations that my ear phones aren’t blocking out entirely.
       
      1st Quarter Redskins 7 - 3 Eagles
      "The Closer" Haskins showed up for work early today and hit his former college teammate for a touchdown.  He really took the life out of this crowd in *checks notes* Fedex Field. 
       
      2nd Quarter Redskins 14 - 10 Eagles
      This quarter was defined by penalties.  The Redskins made the mistake of lightly hitting an Eagles tight end on the shoulder, and then another by tackling the Eagles QB around the waist.  Refs clearly didn't appreciate the Redskins playing football.
       
      This is the best half of football of Haskins pro career.  The Redskins passing offense as a whole has looked impressive, which... well it just shouldn't be.  Right?  Feels like a trap.  As soon as we start to feel good about it, BOOM they'll tear our hearts out. 
       
      I'll say this much though, Redskins receivers have been running around wide open throughout this first half.  The Redskins should have scored more than 14.
       
      Halftime:  If you had a choice between standing in a relatively long line for ice cream and cookies or nachos and hot dogs which would you choose?  I would go with ice cream.  Unfortunately I didn't realize there were two separate lines, and so I ended up with nachos and disappointment.  Also, I should probably mention Urban Meyer is here.  I bet he got the ice cream.   
       
      3rd Quarter Redskins 14 - 17 Eagles
      Wentz made a good throw, giving his team the lead, and it reminded me that Wentz was once a pretty good QB.  Hasn't looked like it often today.  The Eagles really haven't had a lot of open players for Wentz to throw to, but there is more to it than that.  Wentz looks slow. 
       
      Haskins has out played him through three quarters, and we haven't even reached Haskins best quarter. 
       
      4th Quarter Redskins 27 - 37 Eagles
      Some drunk Redskins fans sitting in front of the press box have recognized a Eagles fan that appears often on CNN and have started knocking on the glass to wave their hands and smile at him now the the Redskins have the lead.  These fans have apparently never learned not to tempt fate.
       
      Redskins defense played fairly well all game but picked the worst possible time to give up a long drive for a touchdown.  The Eagles offense came off the field with a four point lead and less than a minute left in the game.  The fumble return for a touchdown on the aborted hail marry attempt just added insult to injury.  Redskins come up short, for the eleventh time this season. 
       
      End of game thoughts.  Haskins actually looked like a real NFL QB for an entire NFL game.  Not just a drive here or there, but for an entire game Haskins looked like he belonged.  He looked like one of the reasons the Redskins might win the game.  He's shown flashes in the past but nothing like this.  A very encouraging sign for fans that believe he can be a part of the future here. 
       
      The Giants did their part to fall back in the draft, by absolutely dismantling the mighty Dolphins.  May the Giants be victorious, at least one more time this season.  We just need to lose to the Giants and have the Dolphins beat the Bengals, and the Redskins will be sitting alone at 3 wins.  Chase Young could happen.

       
       
       
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CASE KEENUM Will be a success because we have very good history with QB's who have beer bellys, I have visual proof and anyone that debates me on this is a idiot !!!

 

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Keenum can't handle the Noodle, now we take a QB in the 1st rd this or next year, just glad the team didn't go with Teddy or Tanny.

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6 minutes ago, JoggingGod said:

 

 

That settles it

Expand please.

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8 minutes ago, RWJ said:

Expand please.

 

Pretty sure Finlay is talking about Rosen or if a QB falls in our lap at 15 like Doug said. 

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Looking forward to bonding with you guys as a community in week 9 as we rage over losing games by a score or two every week with Keenum playing small ball while someone like Tyree Jackson or something rips laserbeams every week in practice. 

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39 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

 

You are free to believe that but I disagree. The team was lucky as **** to be 6-3 beating literally no one of importance. His last two games the team scored 14 while getting blown out by a very bad Atl team (I live here I know just how bad they are) and a whole 16 pts against Tampa, a very lucky win - 500 yds of offense by Tampa and 3 pts - never happened in history. And those were two of the worst defenses in the NFL. Then he was way down to Houston before getting injured. Colt is a more reckless Alex Smith. Not sure hwo that means the team stays in the hunt. But Ok. 

 

Passing game was horrid, but we did a lot of other things right in non-blowouts.  Even an average passing game whole year is likely 9-7, 10-6 based on what we did do because of AP and defense.  Bucs game wasn't a fluke, we gutted it out, one of few things I liked was it seemed we adopted a gritty identity.hipe that continues.

 

39 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

 

By the very nature of you saying you have noticed a pattern so this is what this moves means is the very definition of "assuming." You are making the assumption based on previous seasons that they have not learned a lesson from last yr losing their top two QBs.  It's Ok. You are allowed to make assumptions. My point was and is that I think your assumption is poor because there are still many options open and a lot of time left. You may be right. I do no think they are. I think they have some more moves to make at QB. But if not, it's still not the end of the world (speaking metaphorically of course.) 

 

They need to flat out prove people wrong, this is becoming climate, not weather. 

 

39 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

 

If you are buying the we are close to being a really good team, while that would explain a lot, i still do not see the problem with spending virtually nothing to get a healthier backup. In fact your whole line of reasoning really just makes no sense if you really believe the Bruce hype. Maybe I was giving you too much credit. 

 

You asked what I meant by team comments on 6-3 and why they bothered me, now you are accusing me of buying into the hype?  Stop trying to put my opinions in a box, its making this conversation feel like a game of pinball when it doesn't need to.

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11 minutes ago, zskins said:

 

Pretty sure Finlay is talking about Rosen or if a QB falls in our lap at 15 like Doug said. 

Hoping for Rosen.  #JR2DC :)

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Just know that I’ll be the first one on the “mid round QB name here” bandwagon. 

 

Case or Colt will have the worst QB competition since Grossman V Beck and Jay will be fired by week 6. 

 

Dont buy the hope they’re selling. They’re out on Rosen. Dangling that carrot is easier than admitting it is either Case or Colt week one. 

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Its cheap to say that we aren't done at QB yet....

 

Really, teams don't roll with 4 old vets through OTAs / camp? 

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Total random thought, but I went to high school with JP Finlay (BCC). I just realized he was a local sports reporter a few months ago. 

 

Go Case! Super Bowl baby 😁

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58 minutes ago, abdcskins said:

Total random thought, but I went to high school with JP Finlay (BCC). I just realized he was a local sports reporter a few months ago. 

 

Go Case! Super Bowl baby 😁

 

Go Barons, baby!

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16 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

This isn’t a bad trade, in fact almost everyone won in this.  Elway, Case and Bruce.  Everybody got something they needed out of it.

 

Except Skins fans.  This move all but cements the fact that they won’t have a chance at the #1 pick in the 2020 draft.  Case is good enough to maybe hit Bruce’s ceiling of 9-7 under optimal circumstances but not bad enough to win 3 games and make a play for the top pick.

 

 

when you put it like that soul crusher...  @BleedBNG florio is an dip****. Evertime i read an article by him i can tell it’s him.  Even though he founded PFT i can’t help but think it would be better without him. He’s always got some angle to spin. And he refers to the redskins as washington. 

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2 hours ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

Just know that I’ll be the first one on the “mid round QB name here” bandwagon. 

 

Case or Colt will have the worst QB competition since Grossman V Beck and Jay will be fired by week 6. 

 

Dont buy the hope they’re selling. They’re out on Rosen. Dangling that carrot is easier than admitting it is either Case or Colt week one. 

Hope you're right

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20 hours ago, Califan007 said:

I just went back to the original Cult of Colt thread...I know I posted on it but couldn't remember what I said. Apparently, Blondie and I started talking about her watching me have sex...

 

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For the love of all that is good and holy, shut this thread down nowwwwwww....

 

 

 

Blondie.  Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time.  A long time...

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10 hours ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

I know they aren’t. But those are their words. So I’m holding them to it. 

 

 

 

Then you need to learn to live with disappointment.  

 

But Ok, let's say you want to hold them to it because - well I have no idea why but ok you do - what does this move stop them from doing? Can they still go after Rosen? Yes. Can they still jump up in the draft to get a young guy? Yes. Can they still do anything that was an option before this trade? Yes. Can they still use their draft picks to build the team? Can you still signing whatever FAs you wanted to sign before this trade? Yes. What move does this stop them from making ? The answer is nothing. All those options are still there.

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This team was bone-headed stupid to go into the season with only 2 QBs, especially given our LG and RT deficiencies, and the injury history of our elite LT. I have no problem with the Keenum signing, given its minimal cost and the fact that, even if he's not the starter, we know that he's a proven, reliable backup who can deliver. The question, of course, becomes whether he can deliver with the offensive weapons that the Skins are putting at his disposal. If Gruden learns to run the ball more steadily, and not abandon the run too early in games, he could be effective. If we get a reliable wideout for whom DCs need to gameplan, that could help too (assuming Reed isn't in traction by week 3, or suffering from a bruised earlobe). I think Brewer nailed it again in his latest column, and one of the things that stuck out to me was his take that Keenum "reflects the talent around him, he doesn't elevate it". That's profound, but also has a lot to do with coaching. So we'll see what Gruden and Co. on the offensive side of the ball can do with Keenum. That quote also applies to Cousins, which is why no team should've ever given him the kind of loot that the Vikings have wasted.

 

I'm glad that we have both McCoy and Keenum, and I really hope that the Rosen talk is just smoke; I wonder if he is going to be a good QB at the professional level. Of course we didn't get to see all of what he could do, given the horrible coaching staff he had in AZ. A change could be good for him.....but a change to tutelage under Gruden? The team does need to address the QB situation with a view to the long-term, but will Gruden be around for the long-term? I don't think so, and therefore wouldn't entrust a young, developing QB to him. Dalton was very generous in his praise of Gruden (when asked), but most people know that it was Ken Zampese who really developed that kid. I think the team should roll with McCoy and Keenum, plus a young developmental QB (like the one we lost to the Eagles). The contracts for the two will be up next year, and so (perhaps) will Gruden's time. The 2020 season may be when a new coach sets a new direction at QB -- a strong HC who won't tolerate George Allen's son making trades without consulting him.

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I have like Case a lot ever since we played the vikings in 2017.  He looked great that game, much better then Kirk, I thought.  Things have changed since then but If I could have picked a low price guy to compete for the job he would have been on the top of my list.  

 

Colt and Case and whoever else we get need to compete for that position, no guarantees for anybody.

 

I dont mind drafting a qb or trading for rosen, but this team needs to keep building the defense as a priority.  They need athleticism on the edges and in space, the middle is solid. 

 

We will see what happens but I am really rooting for Case.   Welcome to the skins buddy. 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, CurseReversed said:

I dont mind drafting a qb or trading for rosen, but this team needs to keep building the defense as a priority.  They need athleticism on the edges and in space, the middle is solid. 

 

I don't disagree on your assessment of the defense.  Unfortunately, there are also gaping holes in the offense and the future QB options (Rosen, 1st round rookie, or developing QB) need to have a supporting cast of skill players to be successful.  OL, TE and WRs.  Skins need a WR that can step in right away and another one that can contribute some immediately.  LG, at a minimum, has to be addressed this offseason.  TE - at least one if the Skins squeeze one more year out of Reed.  Probably 3 out of the first 4 picks should be allocated to the Offense unless a BPA defensive player is just too good to pass up.  Skins will likely see a quality EDGE player available sometime in the first three rounds that will be hard to pass up.  Otherwise, it's going to be one of the OLBs in rounds 5-7 that could develop into a future starter.  . 

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2 minutes ago, PlayAction said:

 

I don't disagree on your assessment of the defense.  Unfortunately, there are also gaping holes in the offense and the future QB options (Rosen, 1st round rookie, or developing QB) need to have a supporting cast of skill players to be successful.  OL, TE and WRs.  Skins need a WR that can step in right away and another one that can contribute some immediately.  LG, at a minimum, has to be addressed this offseason.  TE - at least one if the Skins squeeze one more year out of Reed.  Probably 3 out of the first 4 picks should be allocated to the Offense unless a BPA defensive player is just too good to pass up.  Skins will likely see a quality EDGE player available sometime in the first three rounds that will be hard to pass up.  Otherwise, it's going to be one of the OLBs in rounds 5-7 that could develop into a future starter.  . 

 I agree we have holes on offense, but I dont think there are any good short term fixes there, we are looking at a few year rebuild no matter what.  This teams Identity needs to be the defense and the running game.  We can win with this alone, and quickly if the defense can pick up a few pieces.  I would honestly rather draft a TE high then a WR, just to improve blocking as well as passing.   Not a big fan of picking a wr high this year.   

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4 hours ago, goskins10 said:

 

Then you need to learn to live with disappointment.  

 

But Ok, let's say you want to hold them to it because - well I have no idea why but ok you do - what does this move stop them from doing? Can they still go after Rosen? Yes. Can they still jump up in the draft to get a young guy? Yes. Can they still do anything that was an option before this trade? Yes. Can they still use their draft picks to build the team? Can you still signing whatever FAs you wanted to sign before this trade? Yes. What move does this stop them from making ? The answer is nothing. All those options are still there.

Yeah so maybe i should have started with this: I’m completely agnostic to this team. They aren’t close to anything and in fact, I think they are completely incapable of making good decisions from the top down. None of this matters, they’ll never be good. 

 

But because I’m tired and petty, I’m holding them to THEIR words lol. What else do I have? I personally think short of some blockbuster trade, they are going 5-11 next season no matter what. But every week they lose, I’m going to remind someone what their words were back in February 

 

 

yes this stops them from getting Rosen imo. At worst, Colt will be no. 2 because the team sounds like they think they owe him. I doubt Case would be brought in to be worse than no. 2 and I doubt Rosen would be cool with anything other than a starting job. Logistics don’t work now but hold the hope out. I hope I’m wrong. 

 

Bruce Allen has never had a good FA since he’s been here so I’m not sure why that would change. He’ll continue to sign average players to great deals. Maybe there’s an award for that somewhere. 

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18 hours ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

....my issue is that he sucks. The cost isn’t relevant to me.

 

I was told they were “close”. Well, close teams don’t trade for Case Keenum. They get rid of him actually. 

 

Just playing devil's advocate, but you follow that scenario through, they get rid of him, get Cousins and don't even go remotely close the next year...

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I think Mark Brunell had a beer belly too didn't he?

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