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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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The 2019 Free Agency Tracker -Added: Landon Collins, Rodgers-Cromartie, Donald Penn, Flowers, Smallwood. Lost:Preston Smith, Nsekhe, Crowder, HaHa

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If I trusted our coaches as teachers, I’d be really curious to see what Apke could do if given a shot. He’s really raw and seemed a bit lost, but he’s got such good range and speed. 

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29 minutes ago, crabbypatty said:

Re: Keenum vs Smith, I think we can expect slightly better production out of case vs. Smith.

Their stats are remarkably similar, and don't forget this team was 6-3 through 9 games with Smith's stats looking like this.. a rookie would probably have had better stats.

 

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Here's Keenum's 2018, a not so good year with a not so good broncos team:

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Personally, I think a 65% ish, 20 td 3600-3800 yard or so passer will do just fine, provided the running game matches or exceeds what it did last year.

 

It won't be the flashiest thing, but I think we can easily win 9-10 games with Keenum starting and a rookie being groomed on the bench behind him.

I think Keenum would at least match Smith's production (not a high bar to set) and best case he exceeds it by a good margin. I don't see a downside to it for a vet who likes to take shots downfield and a ball control offense.

 

 

Keenum turns the ball over too much, and it's not offset by his yards per attempt...he has to improve one or the other in order to be a QB this team can win with throughout the season.

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29 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

 

Everybody rational knows this, but you have to ignore this reality if you want to push the DUMPSTER FIRE narrative.

 

Especially now that KC is already wearing out his welcome in Minnesota.

 

I live in Minnesota and before the year everyone asked me about Cousins and I said the following, "Hey, I like Kirk.   He's a good player.   He'll have good numbers.   But he's just a guy.   He's not worth the money you're paying him, which is why we didn't, and we knew him better than anyone, and he won't actually make you better.   He'll just perform as your team does and win few games but lose only a couple, usually early in the season."

 

After the season they all confirmed I was right.   Cousins is just a guy.   And Cousins has a cap number HIGHER than Smith, Keenum and Colt for us.   We're fine in the equation.

 

 

28 minutes ago, crabbypatty said:

Re: Keenum vs Smith, I think we can expect slightly better production out of case vs. Smith.

Their stats are remarkably similar, and don't forget this team was 6-3 through 9 games with Smith's stats looking like this.. a rookie would probably have had better stats.

 

Personally, I think a 65% ish, 20 td 3600-3800 yard or so passer will do just fine, provided the running game matches or exceeds what it did last year.

 

It won't be the flashiest thing, but I think we can easily win 9-10 games with Keenum starting and a rookie being groomed on the bench behind him.

I think Keenum would at least match Smith's production (not a high bar to set) and best case he exceeds it by a good margin. I don't see a downside to it for a vet who likes to take shots downfield and a ball control offense.

 

 

It would not be fair to say either Colt or Case gives you much hope for a GREAT season, but, yes, Case is a passable guy who did just lead a team to the conference championship game.   I will say this though.   Smith in our offense at 6-3 was really a very depressing 6-3.   We were SO tight.   I know it takes time to learn a system so it's reasonable to anticipate he'd be better the longer he's with Gruden, but that style of play was so tedious to watch.   You can win with it, so long as you stay healthy.   We were winning with it.   But it wasn't joy to watch really.   EITHER Colt or Case gives  you something to watch that may not be as consistent a winner as Smith's style, but you'll enjoy watching us play far more.   I guarantee you either of those guys will sling it some and make plays Smith won't even conceive of making, but also make mistakes Smith couldn't even imagine attempting.

I kind of see Colt/Case as a bit of Fitzpatrick/Winston.   You start one, when it starts to level off and teams get on that guy, bring the other in for a while, then switch back and forth.   I do anticipate we'll enjoy watching our games more this year than last, even if we have a weaker record.   It'll just seem more fun.

 

23 minutes ago, RabidFan said:

LB Jordan Hicks to the Cards for 4yr/$36M w/ $20M guaranteed per Rapaport on NFL network.   Another ILB gone.

 

I'm big on the Mason Foster must go train, but Reuben Foster and Zach Brown is a good interior pair.   We were in on C.J. but wisely dropped as he realized he was a $17-million-a-year guy.   Hamilton could also be put there as he already was and did a fair job.

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1 minute ago, Burgold said:

If I trusted our coaches as teachers, I’d be really curious to see what Apke could do if given a shot. He’s really raw and seemed a bit lost, but he’s got such good range and speed. 

 

To be fair we have changed the coaches for this position group so I will reserve judgement for now.  In theory, Horton has a pretty good resume coaching DB's so we can be cautiously optimistic that he can develop our young core there and get the best out of Collins.  In general I like most of the moves we made with the position coaches I just worry that Manusky is still running the show.

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Barr changed his mind and is staying with the Vikings, per Ian Rapaport on NFLNetwork. 

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I always thought Beasley was underrated. Curious how he will perform with a new team.

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Hopefully Mosley changes his mind and decides to join us.

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8 minutes ago, Panninho said:

I always thought Beasley was underrated. Curious how he will perform with a new team.

 

Glad he’s off Dallas. 

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6 minutes ago, Panninho said:

I always thought Beasley was underrated. Curious how he will perform with a new team.

 

I always like Beasley - and i am kind i glad he is out of Dallas - for some reason i always thought of Harry Potter (Ron beasley - i guess) when i saw him 

 

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We carried a lot of "classified" LB'rs on the roster in 2018 minus Preston now and with UFA Flowers, Vigil, McPhee but adding Ruben Foster.

 

ILB's Ruben Foster, Shaun DH, Zach Brown, Mason Foster and Harvey-Clemons (hybrid)

 

The remaining would be "edge" - Kerrigan, Anderson and McKinzy

 

So yea, I can see how we're looking hard at an additional edge rusher.  We need to add a Vet and draft one IMO.

 

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34 minutes ago, Burgold said:

If I trusted our coaches as teachers, I’d be really curious to see what Apke could do if given a shot. He’s really raw and seemed a bit lost, but he’s got such good range and speed. 

 

I forget about Apke. You would think Horton, who played S and has been around forEVER, would be a good guy to bring Apke along. 

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1 minute ago, HigSkin said:

We carried a lot of "classified" LB'rs on the roster in 2019 minus Preston now and with UFA Flowers, Vigil, McPhee but adding Ruben Foster.

 

ILB's Ruben Foster, Shaun DH, Zach Brown, Mason Foster and Harvey-Clemons (hybrid)

 

The remaining would be "edge" - Kerrigan, Anderson and McKinzy

 

So yea, I can see how we're looking hard at an additional edge rusher.

 

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Didn't Dion Hamilton take over for Brown late in the season? 

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Just now, nonniey said:

Didn't Dion Hamilton take over for Brown late in the season? 

 

Yes and Harvey-Clemons played a lot there in training camp when Brown was absent.

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13 minutes ago, WelshSkinsFan said:

Never liked Beasley because he played for the scum and looks like a rat.

 

Does his rapping make you like him more or less? 

 

 

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 Cole Beasley...……...  reminded me of Joe Dirt!!

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25 minutes ago, Panninho said:

I always thought Beasley was underrated. Curious how he will perform with a new team.

 

IMO he was very scheme specific. If he's on the Pats he's a constant mismatch. If he's on the Falcons you forget his name. 

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15 minutes ago, max21 said:

Apke was trash, no idea why we drafted him so high 

 

we draft a lot of projects in the mid rounds

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54 minutes ago, Art said:


I kind of see Colt/Case as a bit of Fitzpatrick/Winston.   You start one, when it starts to level off and teams get on that guy, bring the other in for a while, then switch back and forth.   I do anticipate we'll enjoy watching our games more this year than last, even if we have a weaker record.   It'll just seem more fun.

 

I think that's a great comparison and, likely, a good comp to how 2019 will go record-wise. 

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