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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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11 minutes ago, RWJ said:

Players salaries are sky rocketing.  I think we're in for a long battle between owners and players after the 2020 season.  Enjoy the NFL for the next couple of years. 

 

Most fans havn't enjoyed the NFL the last 20 years.

Skins have been either average or below average, and most fans are tired of seeing the Pats become champions.

So going without football might be a relief for many, since it's not like it's been lots of fun lately.

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From what I'm hearing, are they actually thinking of letting Scherff walk, because they can get decent guards cheaper and in later rounds ?

If that's the case, then I think you still have to sign him to an extension so you can trade him, because you don't want a 1st Round pick who turned

out to be highly productive just walk, with nothing more than a "compensatory pick" in return.

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That's the thing about the whole let scherff walk argument that bugs me.

 

We drafted an offensive lineman in the top 5 and caught hell for it but it worked, he turned into a pro bowl lineman.

 

If we let him walk you gotta ask yourself again, why the hell did we even bother.

 

We should have just taken a chance on a player who plays a position that we would re-sign if said player turns into a pro bowler.

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4 hours ago, redskinss said:

That's the thing about the whole let scherff walk argument that bugs me.

 

We drafted an offensive lineman in the top 5 and caught hell for it but it worked, he turned into a pro bowl lineman.

 

If we let him walk you gotta ask yourself again, why the hell did we even bother.

 

We should have just taken a chance on a player who plays a position that we would re-sign if said player turns into a pro bowler.

not sure what your point is... 

1. we drafted a player in the top 5 to play tackle(way too high).. but he ended up a very good guard. Yes, Skins should have drafted a more impact position but here we are

2. He gave us 4 good years and now wants to be paid at a top guard in the league.

3. If skins where a guard away from going deep in to the playoffs - fine pay him, but we're nowhere close. By the time we are in a position to compete he will be at the back end of his 2nd contract.

 

I am all for keeping him if Skins can get rid of Moses. but paying 3 players on the OL in the top 3 for their position and still not being able to RP or PP all that well .. doesn't make any sense. Team has too many holes to commit that much money to an O line, money that should be used for other position while we are stuck with Alex Smiths contract 

 

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10 minutes ago, oraphus said:

not sure what your point is... 

I don't really know how to illustrate it I guess.

My point is that if you aren't going to re-sign a pro bowl player at a position of massive weakness then we really never should have drafted him in the first place. 

 

And I'm not going to get into the debate about whether he was drafted as a tackle or guard its immaterial at this point, he's a pro bowl guard and we are sorely lacking at the position. 

 

I'm not saying I'm for giving him 15 million a year, I'm torn on whether it's a good decision or not, I'm just saying that it's really admitting that it was a dumb decision to draft him.

 

What if he had worked out at right tackle and moses had worked out at guard and we had still given moses the contract he received but at guard instead. 

 

Wouldn't we be having the same exact discussion about how we can get a guy in the middle rounds ( like we did with moses) to play right tackle and that it's not worth it to pay scherff so much of our cap?

 

Its become debatable as to whether or not the right tackle position is even worth more than guard nowadays. 

 

Bottom line is if we dont re-sign scherff there's absolutely no debating that it was really stupid to draft him and not because he busted but because we are admitting that it was too high to draft anything but a left tackle. 

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Scherff was a good pick regardless. It was reported that we tried to trade back, but there were no takers. So we picked the best OL in the draft. Have people taken the time to look at how the players selected after him have fared in the league?

 

L Williams - hasn’t exactly been setting the league on fire like many expected.  He has 7 sacks and 89 tackles in the last two years, in 32 games.  Jonathan Allen, who plays the same position, has 9 sacks and 71 tackles in 21 games. 

 

Kevin White - Bust

 

Vic Beasley - Started off hot with a lot of clean up sacks, but has been pretty bad since, especially against the run

 

Ereck Flowers - Lol

 

Todd Gurley - if healthy, he probably should have been the pick. But he was coming off a torn ACL, so I could see why we didn’t pull the trigger at 5. And it’s been reported he may have arthritis in that same knee, which explains his lack of usage in the playoffs last year. It seems like a lingering issue, and it came the year after they just gave him a massive record-setting RB contract. We may have come out ahead here by not drafting him. 

 

Trae Waynes - JAG

 

Danny Shelton - just signed a contract with the Patriots for $750k guaranteed lol

 

Andreus Peat - good pick, but a guard.  Scherff is better. 

 

Devante Parker - bust. Doctson before Doctson was a thing

 

Melvin Gordon - Good RB, but RBs are more devalued even more than guards so would be hypocritical to think we should have picked him

 

The picks after that are either mostly busts or players that had no chance of going top 10. 

 

I think Scherff was the right pick. I don’t think we draft Allen if we take L Williams. And I don’t think we have a good RG if we don’t take Scherff. 

 

 

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I'm fine with the Scherff pick and I'm also fine letting him walk. I'd like to see us franchise him in 2020 to provide continuity, then re-evaluate. Maybe by then, we've got a couple young guys who can play.

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1 hour ago, HTTRDynasty said:

Scherff was a good pick regardless. It was reported that we tried to trade back, but there were no takers. So we picked the best OL in the draft. Have people taken the time to look at how the players selected after him have fared in the league?

 

L Williams - hasn’t exactly been setting the league on fire like many expected.  He has 7 sacks and 89 tackles in the last two years, in 32 games.  Jonathan Allen, who plays the same position, has 9 sacks and 71 tackles in 21 games. 

 

Kevin White - Bust

 

Vic Beasley - Started off hot with a lot of clean up sacks, but has been pretty bad since, especially against the run

 

Ereck Flowers - Lol

 

Todd Gurley - if healthy, he probably should have been the pick. But he was coming off a torn ACL, so I could see why we didn’t pull the trigger at 5. And it’s been reported he may have arthritis in that same knee, which explains his lack of usage in the playoffs last year. It seems like a lingering issue, and it came the year after they just gave him a massive record-setting RB contract. We may have come out ahead here by not drafting him. 

 

Trae Waynes - JAG

 

Danny Shelton - just signed a contract with the Patriots for $750k guaranteed lol

 

Andreus Peat - good pick, but a guard.  Scherff is better. 

 

Devante Parker - bust. Doctson before Doctson was a thing

 

Melvin Gordon - Good RB, but RBs are more devalued even more than guards so would be hypocritical to think we should have picked him

 

The picks after that are either mostly busts or players that had no chance of going top 10. 

 

I think Scherff was the right pick. I don’t think we draft Allen if we take L Williams. And I don’t think we have a good RG if we don’t take Scherff. 

 

 

 

Oh yea I remember, majority of Skins fans were livid we took Scherff over Williams.

Good illustration.

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I think you pay Scherff and get it done if he’s willing to accept a market deal. He’s been stellar and is one of the best G in the league. It is what it is, the cap continues to rise and will further when new TV money and possible gambling money are in play. Don’t get thrifty on guys who have brought the goods, week in week out.

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8 hours ago, COWBOY-KILLA- said:

I think you pay Scherff and get it done if he’s willing to accept a market deal. He’s been stellar and is one of the best G in the league. It is what it is, the cap continues to rise and will further when new TV money and possible gambling money are in play. Don’t get thrifty on guys who have brought the goods, week in week out.

I tend to lean this way.

You draft a guy who becomes a stud you find a way to pay him.

What if he goes to the giants or eagles?

Now we just got stabbed with a double edged sword.

Riskier to let him walk than it is to sign him to a contract that hampers us on the cap.

 

When our plethora of defensive line talent comes up for new contracts that's when we should figure out who to keep and who to let walk not when our only decent guard on the roster is up. 

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8 hours ago, COWBOY-KILLA- said:

I think you pay Scherff and get it done if he’s willing to accept a market deal. He’s been stellar and is one of the best G in the league. It is what it is, the cap continues to rise and will further when new TV money and possible gambling money are in play. Don’t get thrifty on guys who have brought the goods, week in week out.

If you let him walk who becomes his replacement?  Please don't say one of the rookies because they're not proven top 5 talent and who is to say they're even any good? It's utterly ridiculous some of ya'll are okay with this dude leaving!  This team isn't good enough losing top tier talent. Find a way damnit!

 

PS. This is not geared towards you Coyboy-Killa

 

Hail Em Up!

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Anthony Davis has come out of Retirement and the 49'rs have released him, get him in for a tryout to see if he's got anything left in the tank, can't do any harm. 

 

HTTR 

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4 hours ago, markmills67 said:

Anthony Davis has come out of Retirement and the 49'rs have released him, get him in for a tryout to see if he's got anything left in the tank, can't do any harm. 

 

HTTR 

He's trying to beat Brett Favre's record for most retirements in a career. Pass.

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It doesn't make sense to pick in the first round in hopes that he develops into a "Medium" player unworthy of an upper echelon salary.  Scherff was a great pick that is becoming what we hoped he would. Come to terms and lets keep this thing rolling.

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Smith and Norman next season are likely off the roster providing significant cap relief and most likely a rookie salary QB as your franchise QB. Skins can be creative with paying Scherff top G money and minimize the % of cap hit for each season. 

 

I have no issue with Skins remaining patient and making sure he gets through part or all of camp healthy before providing a historic type G deal. 

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22 hours ago, markmills67 said:

Anthony Davis has come out of Retirement and the 49'rs have released him, get him in for a tryout to see if he's got anything left in the tank, can't do any harm. 

 

HTTR 

 

I agree, well worth a try out.

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20 hours ago, wit33 said:

Smith and Norman next season are likely off the roster providing significant cap relief and most likely a rookie salary QB as your franchise QB. Skins can be creative with paying Scherff top G money and minimize the % of cap hit for each season. 

 

I have no issue with Skins remaining patient and making sure he gets through part or all of camp healthy before providing a historic type G deal. 

 

Norman would save money but Alex still has a big cap hit in 2020.  Bruce's hallmark with contracts is he doesn't like going beyond 2 years in guaranteed money-- he made an exception on that point for Norman and Alex. 

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1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Norman would save money but Alex still has a big cap hit in 2020.  Bruce's hallmark with contracts is he doesn't like going beyond 2 years in guaranteed money-- he made an exception on that point for Norman and Alex. 

 

Didn’t bother to check up (debating is sometimes more enjoyable this way lol), but I believe Alex’s cap hit is 10mil next year if released. Combine this with Haskins on a rookie deal and you got some savings compared to this year. And obviously in 2021 both are off books, providing the team flexibility in both years to pay a G crazy money. 

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25 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

This grand plan to not overspend on a QB sure has been expensive as a mother****er

 

Ain’t that the truth. Unfortunate to say the least. 

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51 minutes ago, wit33 said:

 

Didn’t bother to check up (debating is sometimes more enjoyable this way lol), but I believe Alex’s cap hit is 10mil next year if released. Combine this with Haskins on a rookie deal and you got some savings compared to this year. And obviously in 2021 both are off books, providing the team flexibility in both years to pay a G crazy money. 

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2818019-the-94-million-question-can-washington-replace-alex-smith-in-free-agency

According to Spotrac, Smith's deal counts $20.4 million against the salary cap in 2019 and $21.4 million against the cap in 2020. If the Redskins were to cut bait on Smith prior to the 2021 season, the cap hit would be so staggering that it's simply not an option. Per Jason Fitzgerald of Over the Cap, the $12 million insurance policy the team took out on Smith could offer some relief down the road, but that relief probably wouldn't come in 2019.

That puts the Redskins between a rock and a hard place.

 

 

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@Skinsinparadise

 

Thanks. Got years 2 and 3 jumbled together and incorrect.

 

How does the insurance policy work for Skins and cap savings potentially?

 

That makes it a bit more difficult to sign Scherff under my original premise. 

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The entire Alex Smith singing was a bad idea from the start. Trading a decent draft pick and a young corner for an aging QB who was never really that good but the kicker was giving him a new expensive contract. Made no sense then and it is even worse now due to his injury. Just a bunch of idiots who thought we were 'close'. Should have just started McCoy instead of being stuck with this.

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33 minutes ago, wit33 said:

@Skinsinparadise

 

Thanks. Got years 2 and 3 jumbled together and incorrect.

 

How does the insurance policy work for Skins and cap savings potentially?

 

That makes it a bit more difficult to sign Scherff under my original premise. 

 

Not sure about the insurance.  I recall Sheehan talking about it on a podcast eons ago and if I understood the Redskins have to prove that Alex can't play and by extension fulfill his contract and once they can do it -- then it kicks in.  But I could be wrong.

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