EasternNCbywayofNOVA Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 As Redskin fans it’s easy to believe that good coaches don’t want to come to Washington but I don’t think that’s necessarily true. It’s easy to push that narrative and it has been pushed by some even concerning Wade Phillips. The truth might be closer to the Redskins (Jay) don’t want good coaches to come here 🤔 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2017/05/05/son-of-bum-wade-phillips-book-excerpt-redskins-interview “After the interview I told Wes of my disappointment. I felt Jay didn’t have as much regard for my coaching as I’d hoped he would. He ended up hiring Joe Barry, a friend of his, to be defensive coordinator. Joe had been with the Chargers, whose defensive coordinator was John Pagano. John had been my linebackers coach when I was the defensive coordinator in San Diego, so Joe basically learned my defensive system through John. Although I didn’t get the job, I was happy for Joe because I think he’s a good, young coach. Of course, the main reason I had even considered going to Washington was for the chance to work with my son again. But I know Wes has enjoyed working with Jay, and they’ve done a good job with the Redskins.” click the link for the full article This may be old news to some, I searched and did not see it posted. But it was a bit eye opening and I think it fits with the off-season discussion of possible coaching changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 It is, and if in my not mistaken Jay came back begging for mercy after it didnt work and Wade went to work with McVay instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 The quote you have here is a bit kind - Wade Phillips described it as the strangest interview he ever had. Phillips had manhandled Gruden's offense in Cincy. Phillips researched the Redskins roster, and had compiled lists of how he would utilize each player. Gruden cherry-picked a handful of plays where the Bengals had made big gains on Phillips defense and demanded to know what Phillips was thinking. Basically, Jay already decided he wanted his loser buddy, and turned the whole session into a chance to stroke his own ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Rams have become my surrogate team — live in LA, go to most home games — and I gotta point out: Wade has been close to a disaster this season and few are talking about it. Redeemed himself against the Boys and hopefully it continues. But it’s been rough-sledding much of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 9 hours ago, EasternNCbywayofNOVA said: Of course, the main reason I had even considered going to Washington was for the chance to work with my son again. Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 This : " the main reason I had even considered going to Washington was for the chance to work with my son again" When a former HC like him says that it tells a lot about how he regards this organization and Toxic Dan. We went down the same old cronyism road. If this is a myth why did we end up with Zorn ? He never has been a head coach and never had been an offensive coordinator in the NFL before the Redskins promoted him. "Why he was hired: Because others turned them down, notably, and lastly, Steve Spagnuolo, who did not like that the staff already had been hired. A month-long search led them back to Zorn, hired as an offensive coordinator. The Redskins also touted him as Gibbs-like in terms of his personal side." "But Snyder had few choices left after waiting so long to make a decision in an offseason when there were few high-profile candidates interested in the job." Link I believe if the high profiles "leftovers" weren't interested the ones that were better than them wouldn't have been interested too. Why did we had to sign Gruden while better coaches were available ? Tampa + toxic Dan imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dballer Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, FrFan said: This : " the main reason I had even considered going to Washington was for the chance to work with my son again" We went down the same old cronyism road. If this is a myth why did we end up with Zorn ? He never has been a head coach and never had been an offensive coordinator in the NFL before the Redskins promoted him. "But Snyder had few choices left after waiting so long to make a decision in an offseason when there were few high-profile candidates interested in the job." Link I believe if the high profiles "leftovers" weren't interested the ones that were better than them were not too. Why did we had to sign Gruden while better coaches were available, and why do we keep him while he has proven he is not HC material ? Zorn was a desperation, panic hire, no doubt about it. I don't think Dan realized the mess he had created at that point. But he followed it up with a HOFer. And, even after that ended in such a mess, they hired Gruden. At the time, Gruden was not a reach. He was squarely in the pool of candidates. May not have been the best one, but some of that is hindsight. While i think there is some apprehension to coming here, i doubt it is what we make it out to be. I am sure there are plenty of young up and comers that think they can handle it. Add to the fact that it seems you can stay in our HC role for at least 5 years without a winning record, that is as much security as any HC could ever hope for! Around the leage, talk about a reaches, Cards go with Kliff Klingsbury, a guy that went 35-40 at Texas Tech...Is Matt LaFleur a reach? Surely the Packers had the pick of the litter. Broncos going with the 60 year Fangio...a guy that no one else has wanted to hire for years...Cincy is going with McVays QB coach?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Hooper said: Rams have become my surrogate team — live in LA, go to most home games — and I gotta point out: Wade has been close to a disaster this season and few are talking about it. Redeemed himself against the Boys and hopefully it continues. But it’s been rough-sledding much of the season. I'm not saying Wade Phillips is over rated but I believe that d line is..we haven't played the Rams with Suh there but when were healthy our oline dominates there d line every time.. Aaron Donald is irrelevant when he plays us..I still don't understand all the love for Donald..I don't think he's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 What's so confusing about my post?..I think the Rams d line is overrated and we man handle them when we play them..?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dballer Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said: I'm not saying Wade Phillips is over rated but I believe that d line is..we haven't played the Rams with Suh there but when were healthy our oline dominates there d line every time.. Aaron Donald is irrelevant when he plays us..I still don't understand all the love for Donald..I don't think he's good. We have played the Rams three times since Donald has been there. The first time they shut us out. He had a huge sack in that one. The next couple we did do pretty well against them. But yeh, i mean look at some of the point totals they have given up...I don't think they are great. But...have you watched them play anyone else? The statement that you don't think Donald is good, well, it confuses my brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 10 hours ago, Renegade7 said: It is, and if in my not mistaken Jay came back begging for mercy after it didnt work and Wade went to work with McVay instead Something like that and Wade said he wanted to go to LA at that point. Forgot how it came out but the narrative was he didn't like the Redskins talent on defense and his daughter was living out in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 37 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said: I'm not saying Wade Phillips is over rated but I believe that d line is. They re-engineered the D last offseason overpaying for Suh and going for Peters and Talib at CB, while letting their best LBs walk. I guess the mentality was the offense would put up enough points that opponents would need to win a shootout, so they went for pass rush and ballhawks. It left them vulnerable to the run, and when Talib got hurt, they were screwed. I think Suh is the one who is overrated - has he ever been genuinely effective since leaving the Lions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: has he ever been genuinely effective since leaving the Lions? I don't think he has I think you made a good point.. so I sit here standing here actually still believing that we could have beat the Rams..maybe lol 51 minutes ago, dballer said: We have played the Rams three times since Donald has been there. The first time they shut us out. He had a huge sack in that one. The next couple we did do pretty well against them. But yeh, i mean look at some of the point totals they have given up...I don't think they are great. But...have you watched them play anyone else? The statement that you don't think Donald is good, well, it confuses my brain. Any Rams game I've watched I have never seen Donald dominate like mac does.. we beat them in la recently.. then we beat them in our house with Kurt as quarterback.. and then the last time before that I thought was in St Louis where we were up two touchdowns and we end up losing with dat dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Yeah nope what confuses my brain is Aaron Donald in the running for MVP when I don't ever recall seeing any highlights or anything about him any Rams game I've ever watched I've never seen him have a dominating game, a game even good enough to say he could be MVP..idk just me man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said: Yeah nope what confuses my brain is Aaron Donald in the running for MVP when I don't ever recall seeing any highlights or anything about him any Rams game I've ever watched I've never seen him have a dominating game, a game even good enough to say he could be MVP..idk just me man Watch closer... http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000990527/Aaron-Donald-s-most-dominant-plays-vs-Chiefs-Week-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said: Yeah nope what confuses my brain is Aaron Donald in the running for MVP when I don't ever recall seeing any highlights or anything about him any Rams game I've ever watched I've never seen him have a dominating game, a game even good enough to say he could be MVP..idk just me man The man had 20.5 sacks and 4 forced fumbles. Did you not watch what could have been the best game all season vs. KC? 2 pivotal forced fumbles on Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 57 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: The man had 20.5 sacks and 4 forced fumbles. Did you not watch what could have been the best game all season vs. KC? 2 pivotal forced fumbles on Mahomes. I didn't watch that game because of how much offense I knew was gonna go down and I prefer a defensive game...and I had something going on I can't remember but ya wasn't that the game that was supposed to be in Mexico?... Anyway I appreciate SemperFi providing that clip of the highlights of Donald.. that's the best highlights I've seen of Donald ever...so I'll backtrack and say that he is a dominant player but I guess I don't watch the Rams enough and what I do see of the Rams I don't ever see any of those highlights I just seen..any way, as you were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Not hiring Phillips is such a gigantic indictment of Gruden as a head coach. One of the most important traits of leadership is surrounding yourself with the absolute best advisors, assistants, etc. Look at Joe Gibbs, in his return he went out and got Gregg Williams, a top D coach. Then after a couple years, he felt he wasn't doing a good enough job with the offense, so he went out and got Al Saunders, at the time considered a top notch offensive guru(even though the offense in 2005 wasn't that bad until Brunell broke down). I mean okay, I can understand wanting a younger guy because Phillips is getting up there in age, but to hire JOE freaking BARRY? The guy who ran the defense for a team that went freaking 0-16?? Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyJ Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 hours ago, dballer said: Broncos going with the 60 year Fangio...a guy that no one else has wanted to hire for years... The same was being said of Mike Zimmer (the guy I wanted instead of Gruden) before he got his shot. Gregg is still getting the same treatment. "He's old, he's grouchy, he's a great coordinator who's passionate but not a good head coach." Zimmer has knocked it out of the park and Gregg shined in his interim stint. Fangio is not a reach, it's an "about time." By the way, Zimmer just signed Gary Kubiak onto his staff. Sometimes people really should just go with the candidate that has better credentials.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I had no idea that Wade Phillips was also a comedian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNoles21 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 hours ago, bakedtater1 said: Yeah nope what confuses my brain is Aaron Donald in the running for MVP when I don't ever recall seeing any highlights or anything about him any Rams game I've ever watched I've never seen him have a dominating game, a game even good enough to say he could be MVP..idk just me man CLOSE THIS THREAD... We can't have other fan bases coming to our site reading this ****. I mean I've read a lot of opinions on message boards over the years and this is EASILY the worst. EASILY. 20.5 sacks from a DT. The most dominant player in the league. If you watch any game he plays he will completely blow up multiple plays in the backfield. This is not up for argument or debate. You are wrong and should watch more football if you're going to continue to share opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dballer Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 52 minutes ago, NickyJ said: The same was being said of Mike Zimmer (the guy I wanted instead of Gruden) before he got his shot. Gregg is still getting the same treatment. "He's old, he's grouchy, he's a great coordinator who's passionate but not a good head coach." Zimmer has knocked it out of the park and Gregg shined in his interim stint. Fangio is not a reach, it's an "about time." By the way, Zimmer just signed Gary Kubiak onto his staff. Sometimes people really should just go with the candidate that has better credentials.... Don't get me wrong I am not knocking the hire. I am just saying that he wasn't seen as the "ideal" candidate in many eyes. I also wanted Zimmer over Gruden. But, i mean, he only has 1 more playoff win than Jay, and I would argue he has had more talent. Would he have done better here than Jay? It's not that easy of an answer. He had the one monster year, two dvision titles and missed the playoffs 3 times, including this year. I honestly believe if you gave Jay that Vikings team this year he would have made the playoffs. A lot of it is just timing, personalities, luck...sometimes there's no right answer. And I would offer Gregg the HC job if he came in for an interview today. Would he take it? Would that be a reach? It would be doing Jay a little dirty but that's a different discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 4 hours ago, bakedtater1 said: I'm not saying Wade Phillips is over rated but I believe that d line is..we haven't played the Rams with Suh there but when were healthy our oline dominates there d line every time.. Aaron Donald is irrelevant when he plays us..I still don't understand all the love for Donald..I don't think he's good. No, donald is awesome. Dominates people. But the rest of the line hasn’t impressed and until the Dallas game, I thought Wade was routinely out coached. 6 minutes ago, dballer said: Don't get me wrong I am not knocking the hire. I am just saying that he wasn't seen as the "ideal" candidate in many eyes. I also wanted Zimmer over Gruden. But, i mean, he only has 1 more playoff win than Jay, and I would argue he has had more talent. Would he have done better here than Jay? It's not that easy of an answer. Yes, it is. He would have failed. How can I be so sure? Because every coach has failed under Snyder and Cerrato/Allen. Even Gibbs had a mediocre second time around and bailed with one year left on his deal after a miracle playoff run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Actually I think Zimmer would have flamed out quick here. He doesn’t take crap. Would have punched Bruce and got fired. Hmmm, maybe that’s the best we could ask for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 52 minutes ago, SkinsNoles21 said: CLOSE THIS THREAD... We can't have other fan bases coming to our site reading this ****. I mean I've read a lot of opinions on message boards over the years and this is EASILY the worst. EASILY. 20.5 sacks from a DT. The most dominant player in the league. If you watch any game he plays he will completely blow up multiple plays in the backfield. This is not up for argument or debate. You are wrong and should watch more football if you're going to continue to share opinions. Ok chill out man..I'm entitled to my opinion I'm just stating what I've not seen who the hell am I to say rather a players dominant or not ... No right or wrong here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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