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Take the full cap hit for Smith in 2019

When should we take the cap hit for the Alex Smith fiasco  

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  1. 1. When do we take the hit

    • All 40 million in 2019, even though it will mean gutting the roster
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    • Post June 2018, splitting losses between 2019 and 2020
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    • Keep on roster for 2019 and absorb salary hit, then cut post June 2019 to split remaining dead cap space between 2020 and 2021
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On ‎1‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 9:02 PM, JaxJoe said:

That rebuild really began with the Herschel Walker trade of ‘90 to the Vikes. Dallas recieved Minnesota ‘s 1st and 2nd round picks in ‘90, ‘91 and ‘92. The Cowboys also recieved 5 players. Frankly, I dont think Dallas could’ve pulled off that rebuild without that whopper of a trade. And, I dont think we currently have many marquee players that would net us three 1st rounders. 

 

Thanks for the info. That was helpful.

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Seeing his leg like that all but confirms to me he's never playing again.  The conversation shouldn't be should we cut him if he doesn't want to retire, we have to, there's no point in waiting to see if he comes back before we reach the time we coulda got out the contract more cleanly after year 3.

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33 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

Seeing his leg like that all but confirms to me he's never playing again.  The conversation shouldn't be should we cut him if he doesn't want to retire, we have to, there's no point in waiting to see if he comes back before we reach the time we coulda got out the contract more cleanly after year 3.

 

Cost/cap wise there's really no benefit to outright cutting him, right? May as well give him access to NFL rehab right?

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1 minute ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

 

Cost/cap wise there's really no benefit to outright cutting him, right? May as well give him access to NFL rehab right?

The way I understand it (and why I voted this way) is If we wait until after this coming early march, this remaining guaranteed money is spread out over the next two seasons as opposed to the fully money in the contract counting against the cap. 

 

Would it hurt, yes, but its the difference in what he's promised counting against the cap and the full contract counting against the cap knowing he won't play.  

 

Tom Coughlin kept working out at the Giants facility after he stopped being coach for so long he started making people uncomfortable then went to go work for the Jaguars.  If Alex wants to use our facilities to get his life back together, we should absolutely support him doing that. There's a picture of him at the Wizards game with that thing around his leg, puts into perspective that level of sacrifice we fans sometimes take for granted because "its just a game". 

 

We have to be able to segment supporting Alex as a person with the reality of the rest of his life versus the reality of what his contract is doing to our cap considering he's never going to play again.  Just have to be real and up front about it, honest convo while staying respectful is possible here.

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3 hours ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

 

Thanks for the info. That was helpful.

Also interesting was the the Vikings believed that Herschel Walker was the last piece to achieve a Super Bowl. It didnt work, obviously. I guess history does in fact repeat itself. 

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I'm all for signing Fitzmagic to go with Colt then drafting a QB in next years draft unless a legit prospect falls in our laps unexpectedly. Take best player available in the draft and try and deal guys like Jordan Reed, Josh Norman, Chris Thompson for picks. Take the full cap hit on Alex this season and carry as few big contracts as possible. I like the originator of this posts thinking, add draft picks and go all in for 2020....

Then, for this season, play the kids with Fitz....Robert Davis, Cam Sims, Quinn, Doctson, Guice and whoever else and see what we have in them. Build the defense like crazy in the draft with playmaking linebackers, safety's and edge rushers.....Sign free agents with upside who need a chance to play (Simmi Cobbs?)

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16 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

Seeing his leg like that all but confirms to me he's never playing again.  The conversation shouldn't be should we cut him if he doesn't want to retire, we have to, there's no point in waiting to see if he comes back before we reach the time we coulda got out the contract more cleanly after year 3.

Adrian Peterson came back from an injury that most people thought would take a year not only very quickly, but dominated the league.  Maybe he can give Alex tips on how he healed so quick.  I'm sure he pulled out all the stops and Alex can replicate it.  Nutrition, supplements, hydroponic chamber, physical therapy, hell... if Adrian made a vision board Alex should try it too!

 

Edit: Fixed a spell check miscorrection.

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20 minutes ago, hatchetwound said:

Adrian Peterson came back from an injury that most people thought would take a year not only very quickly, but dominated the league.  Maybe he can give Alex tips on how he healed so quick.  I'm sure he pulled out all the stops and Alex can replicate it.  Nutrition, supplements, hydroponic chamber, physical therapy, hell... if Adrian made a vision board Alex should try it too!

 

Edit: Fixed a spell check miscorrection.

 

Step 1: be born a God given freak of nature

 

Step 2:?????

 

Step 3: Profit!!!

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Wouldn’t be surprised at all if Alex comes back ahead of schedule, as it appears he’s a dude that will maximize each day of recovery and is in position to receive world class care. 

 

With that said, I don’t look forward to the prospects of him coming back mentally. He was already skittish in the pocket and risk averse with all variables related to football. You’d imagine this kind of injury could push him to an extreme that makes it difficult to win. 

 

He 100% in my mind will make a comeback though. I’m not a doctor. 

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13 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Step 1: be born a God given freak of nature

 

Step 2:?????

 

Step 3: Profit!!!

lol funny, but you know what I mean.   There are all sorts of treatements and I bet Adrian is an expert.  For example, there is this:

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Experts in sports medicine say that if the technique’s early promise is fulfilled, it could eventually improve the treatment of stubborn injuries like tennis elbow and knee tendinitis for athletes of all types.

The method, which is strikingly straightforward and easy to perform, centers on injecting portions of a patient’s blood directly into the injured area, which catalyzes the body’s instincts to repair muscle, bone and other tissue. Most enticing, many doctors said, is that the technique appears to help regenerate ligament and tendon fibers, which could shorten rehabilitation time and possibly obviate surgery.

 

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6 hours ago, wit33 said:

Wouldn’t be surprised at all if Alex comes back ahead of schedule, as it appears he’s a dude that will maximize each day of recovery and is in position to receive world class care. 

 

With that said, I don’t look forward to the prospects of him coming back mentally. He was already skittish in the pocket and risk averse with all variables related to football. You’d imagine this kind of injury could push him to an extreme that makes it difficult to win. 

 

He 100% in my mind will make a comeback though. I’m not a doctor. 

 

Do we have any idea what the schedule is? The reporters attempted to ask Bruce something akin to that yesterday but got jibberish from Bruce.

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Our offensive line cannot protect the quarterback.  Alex saw that on tv for himself at the end of the year.

I think he should not attempt a comeback and he has plenty of money already from a long career.

I hope his doctors do not allow him to come back too soon if he decides mentally that he can still play.  

This team is a dumpster fire right now so he could easily get another injury if the offensive line has their own injuries and then they start second and third stringers again.

Take the full cap hit next year and just spend the rest of the year deciding who can play in 2020 based on their 2019 performance position by position.

Gruden will be gone and hopefully Allen too.  Then have the next General Manager and Head Coach draft our next quarterback.  Build up the rest of the team at key positions in the draft and through free agency even though you will not have much cap space.  Let number 24 leave via free agency.  Let our often injured tight end leave too.

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Bruce Allen admitted himself that his only qualification for running the team is that he shares the fans passion for the team.

 

Therefore I should run Sony because I am one of the biggest PlayStation enthusiasts.

 

Dairy Queen should hand me the keys their Queendom because I chow down on a Blizzard at each and every opportunity.

 

Bruce should also petition Coors to become their CEO because nobody pounds more of their product.

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17 hours ago, SkinsFTW said:

Bruce Allen admitted himself that his only qualification for running the team is that he shares the fans passion for the team.

 

Therefore I should run Sony because I am one of the biggest PlayStation enthusiasts.

 

Dairy Queen should hand me the keys their Queendom because I chow down on a Blizzard at each and every opportunity.

 

Bruce should also petition Coors to become their CEO because nobody pounds more of their product.

I don't know if I'm gonna have time to run a dungeon porn website and a company that does penile enlargements. I have the passions, but there are only so many hours in the day.

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49 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

I don't know if I'm gonna have time to run a dungeon porn website and a company that does penile enlargements. I have the passions, but there are only so many hours in the day.

I’ll take things I didn’t want to read on ExtremeSkins for 100 Alex...

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Yeah, I find myself being much more enthusiastic about what "might" be in a few years , than what Im "sure" will be next year.

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On 1/23/2019 at 11:24 AM, wit33 said:

Wouldn’t be surprised at all if Alex comes back ahead of schedule, as it appears he’s a dude that will maximize each day of recovery and is in position to receive world class care. 

 

With that said, I don’t look forward to the prospects of him coming back mentally. He was already skittish in the pocket and risk averse with all variables related to football. You’d imagine this kind of injury could push him to an extreme that makes it difficult to win. 

 

He 100% in my mind will make a comeback though. I’m not a doctor. 

Would make a hell of a story!

 

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How many years does kerrigan have left on his contract?


Look I wouldn't cut smith this year..... I'd consider it next year.... but I'm not expecting to see him play until mid season at best.  I'm expecting he's on PUP list through camp... That having been said.  I'd sit down with Trent and ask him, what he thinks about his career.  Does he want to retire a redskin, or does he want a chance to play for someone else, since its going to be really tough to get to the play offs next year.     Let Trent say he wants to stay or not.  If he says he'd like the option, grant his agent license to seek a trade.   

I'd do the same for Kerrigan, but I'd tell him I think he's earned a right to try to earn the sack record with the franchise.   

Reed, I'd trade if anyone would have him,  Crowder I would let go.  

I'd draft a LT if trent goes, or a WR in round 1.  (if not WR then one of MLB, Guard, or Corner)

 

I'd try to extend Dix for now if he looks serviceable, but I wouldn't break the bank for him.

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15 hours ago, Veretax said:

How many years does kerrigan have left on his contract?


Look I wouldn't cut smith this year..... I'd consider it next year.... but I'm not expecting to see him play until mid season at best.  I'm expecting he's on PUP list through camp... That having been said.  I'd sit down with Trent and ask him, what he thinks about his career.  Does he want to retire a redskin, or does he want a chance to play for someone else, since its going to be really tough to get to the play offs next year.     Let Trent say he wants to stay or not.  If he says he'd like the option, grant his agent license to seek a trade.   

I'd do the same for Kerrigan, but I'd tell him I think he's earned a right to try to earn the sack record with the franchise.   

Reed, I'd trade if anyone would have him,  Crowder I would let go.  

I'd draft a LT if trent goes, or a WR in round 1.  (if not WR then one of MLB, Guard, or Corner)

 

I'd try to extend Dix for now if he looks serviceable, but I wouldn't break the bank for him.

 

I think that is fair deal for both Williams and Kerrigan but I would rather see the team go ahead and rework their respective deals in a way that allows them to retire as Redskins as well as gets us some cap relief in 19. To me these two are more or less the glue holding this whole thing together. Plus I think the opportunity to keep AD next season is impacted if Williams is gone,

In my mind all is not lost here, by the draft we should have a pretty good idea if Alex is gonna be back mid season or not at all in 19. Either way we have to pick up a QB somewhere in the draft. That gives us Colt, (Cheap FA J. Johnson,Suds, or Hogan) New Guy. None of these guys are gonna set the world on fire so we focus on running the ball.

 

I am not convinced that we dont have talent at RB right now (including Samaje) just stuck with a crappy scheme and fragile lineman.

 

So we go into next year drafting help on the O line and bolster the LBs and DBs 

 

CUT or TRADE

 

Z Brown

J Norman

VD

McGee

 

DRAFT

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DB/QB

ILB/OLB

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WR - lets face it we could have had Jerry Rice out there this year and it would not have made a difference

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Trent will be playing for another 5 years (Jason Peters like) , keep him around. Value remains with him sticking around, even if a rebuild of the FO and coaches takes place next year. 

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This is the best news to come out for the health of this franchise. I am hoping Smith gets to recover fully but there is 0 chance this team wins 6 games without Alex.  This news allows us to reboot for 2020 with a new QB and new HC and most liekly new GM 

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FOr those that think us maybe expecting a bad season is doom and gloom.  If I were Bruce, I'd say we know the outlook isn't good, we are going to do what we can, but We think, now is the time to take a season and experiment.   I mean really open up the playbook.   THat's what I want to see anyways.

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