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HH: Coach Speculation Publication: STs Kaczor; DBs Horton; TEs Angelichio; ILBs Rob Ryan; OC OConnell; QBs Rattay; Tomsula $$$

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4 hours ago, goskins10 said:

still think @Voice_of_Reason is wrong....  JK!!!   He has been beating this drum for quite a while - along with a few others. But VOR has been let's say the more vocal. So fair enough, data says they are spot on. And it's a clear problem. 

I have no idea what you’re talking about

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5 hours ago, WelshSkinsFan said:

You would be an upgrade over Gray, his unit was crap and constantly out of position. 

 

Horton as a DC does not have great numbers although he was mostly on lousy teams after Arizona but dig deeper and the secondary consistently outperformed the rest of the unit.  Go back to his days coaching the secondary in Pittsburgh and frankly the results speak for themselves.  It's possible that as a DC he was promoted one step too far but as far as coaching the secondary goes he has a deserved rep as one of the best in the business.

 

Possibly, but from the sound of it, it seems like his responsibilities will range somewhere between DB coach, and the DC.

While he'll have less power than a DC, he'll have more power than DB coach. Question is, will the results more resemble his history as a DC, or a DB coach ?

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C'mon, guys...you have to do better than 'He hasn't worked in 2 years, he obviously sucks." That's just lazy at this point lol...That's like saying "The Browns didn't even want Gregg Williams, why should we?"

 

Since he's been hired as the DB coach, at least bring some analysis on the performance of his past DB units to the criticism (one guy did on this thread, I think, although he wasn't criticizing).

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1 hour ago, FrFan said:

 

Good article and I think a good hire too.  :) 

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On 1/21/2019 at 7:13 AM, Mr. Sinister said:

 

A head coaching change will do zero for me. How many different HC's have we had in the last 20 years? What difference has it made? Not saying I think Jay deserves to be here at the moment, but literally all we'll be doing is complaining about the next guy, because the men/man in charge do not covet, know how to spot, or create a culture for good coaches to thrive.

 

"As a secondary coach for the Steelers, Lions and Bengals, Horton's defenses had three top-five finishes in passing yards."

 

I like Horton. I remember when he was talked about as a HC candidate. I am too lazy to look back at how he did as a DC but I remember Arizona was good, and he was in the running for taking the HC spot when Wisenhunt got fired. I feel like the Browns had a pretty good D while he was there too.

 

He has good experience, at least SOME really good results, spent a good chunk of time with the Steelers while they were getting to and winning super bowls...seems like a good hire 🤷‍♂️

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11 hours ago, Califan007 said:

C'mon, guys...you have to do better than 'He hasn't worked in 2 years, he obviously sucks." That's just lazy at this point lol...That's like saying "The Browns didn't even want Gregg Williams, why should we?"

 

 

Exactly. This headline may be better and more accurate :

"Against the wishes of many franchises in pursuit of his top tier talent, Horton chose to retire, as calls from all 32 teams poured in begging him to return to football, yet the Redskins were the only team attractive enough to convince him to come out of retirement"

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I listened to Laconfora on Sheehan's podcast.  He said Dan and Gregg Williams have talked over the years with Dan telling him he's not done with him yet.  Laconfora said Gregg wouldn't come in part  (this was his own speculation) because this year the team is arguably at its nadir so why not revisit it when the situation is better -- saying when Bruce is gone and there is a HC possibility versus pure DC. 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, veteranskinsfan said:

If we have a bad season next year all these coaches will be looking for work elsewhere.

You mean when. 

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I predict if they don't build a new stadium in DC, then they'll build it in Tampa.

 

Horton's first NFL gig was in Washington under Norv Turner, as Asst DB coach, from 94-96.

Angelichio coached TE's in Green Bay for the last 3 seasons. Maybe @PokerPacker can give us insight on him ?

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7 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

I predict if they don't build a new stadium in DC, then they'll build it in Tampa.

 

Angelichio coached TE's in Green Bay for the last 3 seasons. Maybe @PokerPacker can give us insight on him ?

I am familiar with a lot of the (former) position coaches in GB, but him I do not know much about.  It's rather difficult to pin down his contributions as they've signed new veteran free agents each of the past three seasons: Jared Cook in 2016, Martellus Bennett and Lance Kendricks in 2017, and Jimmy Graham in 2018.

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22 hours ago, Califan007 said:

C'mon, guys...you have to do better than 'He hasn't worked in 2 years, he obviously sucks." That's just lazy at this point lol...That's like saying "The Browns didn't even want Gregg Williams, why should we?"

 

Since he's been hired as the DB coach, at least bring some analysis on the performance of his past DB units to the criticism (one guy did on this thread, I think, although he wasn't criticizing).

Oh please, you've got to do better than "I dont like your incredibly rational argument so Ill just say you cant use it".

 

If an NFL team hasnt wanted to hire the guy for years, in the prime of his career, thats about as major a blow as you can have on a resume.  The 32 smartest guys in the industry(or 15 of the smartest and then some schmucks) all decided he wasnt worth having.  Sometimes it makes sense to trust those that actually are experts AND unanimous over the wiseguy on the message board.
 

Besides, its hard to bring analysis on the past performance of his DB units because I threw away my VHS player, so I cant play his most recent tapes.

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19 hours ago, RWJ said:

Good article and I think a good hire too.  :) 

 

After 20 minutes of drunken research, here is my conclusion

 

In his 6 years as DC, just once has Horton placed in the top 14 in pass defense per FootballOutsiders' metrics. That was his 2nd of 6 years as defensive coordinator. Since then, his teams have finished in the bottom half of the league every year.

 

The good news is that 2 of the 4 times he's served as DC, the team finished in the top 5 in pass defense the year after he left. Meaning, once we fire him there is a chance our defense will be elite.

 

Honestly I would not have even given this guy an interview based on his resume. Sure, he had some nice secondaries ~10 years ago with the Steelers, but since then he hasn't been able to do anything worthy of note.

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2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

No shocker there. Dumpster fire versus NFC champ with new young coach, dad coaching defense, LA weather.

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You'd have to laugh if it wasnt so sad... Tampa, who knew?  

Are there other teams in the NFL?  Asking for a friend

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This team is beyond disgusting.  Right now, I'd expect Tomsula, Callahan and others not mentioned to leave too.  I expect Callahan to leave when Taylor officially takes over the reigns in Cincy after the SB, regardless of what Allen says about him staying.  Cally's son is already in Cincy.  With no word on Tomsula I'd expect a out of the blue tweet about a new DL signing.  Listen for the name of Jethro Franklin, assistant DL coach of the Seahawks.  Has ties to Allen/Gruden in TB.  He MIGHT be a replacement for Tomsula if he leaves.  Every coach is jumping ship.  When does it sink is the question.  2019 or 2020?  Unreal!!!

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Whenever he has the oportunity Allen Coors light won't stop at nothing to bring shame, mockery and chaos upon this team

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7 hours ago, RWJ said:

This team is beyond disgusting.  Right now, I'd expect Tomsula, Callahan and others not mentioned to leave too.  I expect Callahan to leave when Taylor officially takes over the reigns in Cincy after the SB, regardless of what Allen says about him staying.  Cally's son is already in Cincy.  With no word on Tomsula I'd expect a out of the blue tweet about a new DL signing.  Listen for the name of Jethro Franklin, assistant DL coach of the Seahawks.  Has ties to Allen/Gruden in TB.  He MIGHT be a replacement for Tomsula if he leaves.  Every coach is jumping ship.  When does it sink is the question.  2019 or 2020?  Unreal!!!

 

Will see if it goes down this way -- based on what reporters are saying:  Tomsula is being pursued to stay but he either retires or moves on.  Callahan badly wants out, Jay is cool with him leaving because it hasn't been a smooth ride with him but Bruce wants him to stay and is insisting on it. 

 

Interesting that Jay who typically goes to the Senior Bowl skips this particular one to stay back to interview coaches.  This being the Senior Bowl with arguably the best participation of senior QBs in years where the team is hot for a QB.  Also from what I've heard its common to interview coaches in the Senior Bowl.   Weird.

 

My early prediction for their next coach in 2020 (don't think Jay survives this season):  Kevin O'Connell or Todd Bowles or Gregg Williams.   Dan might pursue Nick Saban but Saban would likely decline while cracking up after putting the phone down.

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Dan and Bruce are winning the offseason in terms of entertainment value. Albeit a campy sort of entertainment. 

 

Based on past experience, I'm expecting some sort of splashy move during Super Bowl weekend.

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39 minutes ago, profusion said:

Dan and Bruce are winning the offseason in terms of entertainment value. Albeit a campy sort of entertainment. 

 

Based on past experience, I'm expecting some sort of splashy move during Super Bowl weekend.

 

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