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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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HH: Coach Speculation Publication: STs Kaczor; DBs Horton; TEs Angelichio; ILBs Rob Ryan; OC OConnell; QBs Rattay; Tomsula $$$

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I don’t think I’ve ever read where coaches wanted to make a mass exodus from a team in recent memory.  So glad of the potential of Bruce and Dan being put on blast nationally. No where to hide now, jackasses. 

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2 hours ago, Tay said:

 

Apparently there are some in the building who have a problem with how hard he pushes his players. There's a belief that it's leading to so many injuries on the OLine and it's shortening the careers of some of their best players.

 

Russell mentioned that Bill C is still around largely do to his past relationship with Bruce. I get the idea that Callahan will be out, but he won't be fired because of that relationship. They will mutually part ways or Callahan may retire (my take based on radio interviews and podcasts).

If you listened to Cooley's offensive breakdowns this year one thing he continually hit on was how he disagreed with the blocking techniques employed by Callahan.

 

The torque and turn as he called it, he thought it could lead to injuries.

 

I thought Callahan would be one of the first coaches fired.

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What is the 3-ring circus Callahan and Tomsula are supposed to be tired of?

 

Lafemina being fired? Putting in the claim on Reuben Foster? All the injuries to the OLine? A player on Tomsula's side of the ball criticizing his DC to the press?

 

What's the straw that broke the camel's back and making them want to "flee"? And yeah, I'm trying to get something more than the generic "all the dysfunction"-type comments.

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2 hours ago, Peregrine said:

Umm....no.  In items A through J he mentioned only one of the people contradicted another.  The rest were in agreement about things, but you turned it into "Nobody seems to know whats going on, so maybe nothing is, I love bruce".  At least I think that was the exact quote...

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First, I said they were telling you different things, not contradictory things. "Different" does not mean "opposite".

 

Second, when "30" (meaning a lot lol) people are telling you different small parts of a whole, it usually means that none of them know the real story. Which was my point. Which flew 1,000 miles above your head. Whoosh.

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2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Got more company on this than I thought, 92% want Gregg

 

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Count me among those who hope we stay away...I don't want to retread our retreads lol....Is there any way we can find the defensive version of Sean McVay?

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9 minutes ago, Califan007 said:

 

Count me among those who hope we stay away...I don't want to retread our retreads lol....Is there any way we can find the defensive version of Sean McVay?

 

With the run of defensive coordinators we've had post Gregg -- should we trust they might have a gem up their sleeve?

 

29 minutes ago, Califan007 said:

What is the 3-ring circus Callahan and Tomsula are supposed to be tired of?

 

Lafemina being fired? Putting in the claim on Reuben Foster? All the injuries to the OLine? A player on Tomsula's side of the ball criticizing his DC to the press?

 

What's the straw that broke the camel's back and making them want to "flee"? And yeah, I'm trying to get something more than the generic "all the dysfunction"-type comments.

 

you think if they leave they are obligated to give us whether it was a slow burn type of thing or there was a specific turning point?  Or is this you just saying you doubt that there is dysfunction or that they think there is dysfunction?  Will see.  Russell's been on this (along with Finley) for awhile while also saying the team doesn't want to lose either (with some mixed feelings about Callahan) and especially Callahan.  Will see soon enough.  And if they happen to leave I doubt either guy is doing a 60 Minutes like expose about their time here, I'd presume they'd stay quiet. 

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2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

With the run of defensive coordinators we've had post Gregg -- should we trust they might have a gem up their sleeve?

 

 

you think if they leave they are obligated to give us whether it was a slow burn type of thing or there was a specific turning point?  Or is this you just saying you doubt that there is dysfunction or that they think there is dysfunction?  Will see.  Russell's been on this (along with Finley) for awhile while also saying the team doesn't want to lose either (with some mixed feelings about Callahan) and especially Callahan.  Will see soon enough.  And if they happen to leave I doubt either guy is doing a 60 Minutes like expose about their time here, I'd presume they'd stay quiet. 

 

Um, aren't guys like Russell supposed to already know what the "3-ring circus" consists of that is making Redskins coaches flee? And shoudn't fans repeating those comments want to know as well since they are repeating the comments? lol...For a lot of people here (well, more so on twitter) they just run with it and repeat it like it's obvious...and I'm not seeing an obvious explanation as to what would drive coaches to start running out the door. 

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30 minutes ago, Califan007 said:

What is the 3-ring circus Callahan and Tomsula are supposed to be tired of?

 

Lafemina being fired? Putting in the claim on Reuben Foster? All the injuries to the OLine? A player on Tomsula's side of the ball criticizing his DC to the press?

 

What's the straw that broke the camel's back and making them want to "flee"? And yeah, I'm trying to get something more than the generic "all the dysfunction"-type comments.

 

Just speculation on my part. But I would add to that list, that dissent about the Swearinger decision could be part of it.

Who knows, maybe that could explain Tomsula's ire and fire.

Safety is a part of his defense. Not his position group, but it affects his guys, and maybe that decision to waive DJ pissed off Tomsula. Kotwica was pissed off too, because, well...that's what he does...get pissed off.

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34 minutes ago, Califan007 said:

What is the 3-ring circus Callahan and Tomsula are supposed to be tired of?

 

Lafemina being fired? Putting in the claim on Reuben Foster? All the injuries to the OLine? A player on Tomsula's side of the ball criticizing his DC to the press?

 

What's the straw that broke the camel's back and making them want to "flee"? And yeah, I'm trying to get something more than the generic "all the dysfunction"-type comments.

Obviously none of us know what if anything ails Callahan and/or Tomsula about working in Ashburn.

 

But as someone that’s worked in a dysfunctional environment, it’s never any one situation that breaks the camels back.  It’s typically a culmination of a lot of things over an extended period of time.  

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1 minute ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

Just speculation on my part. But I would add to that list, that dissent about the Swearinger decision could be part of it.

Who knows, maybe that could explain Tomsula's ire and fire.

Safety is a part of his defense. Not his position group, but it affects his guys, and maybe that decision to waive DJ pissed off Tomsula. Kotwica was pissed off too, because, well...that's what he does...get pissed off.

 

 

lol @ the bold...

 


But does disagreeing with cutting a player sound like, describe, or qualify as "3-ring circus"?

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Just now, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Obviously none of us know what if anything ails Callahan and/or Tomsula about working in Ashburn.

 

But as someone that’s worked in a dysfunctional environment, it’s never any one situation that breaks the camels back.  It’s typically a culmination of a lot of things over an extended period of time.  

 

Calahan coached on the Cowboys lol...dysfunction should make him yawn at this point.

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1 minute ago, Califan007 said:

 

lol @ the bold...

 


But does disagreeing with cutting a player sound like, describe, or qualify as "3-ring circus"?

 

Not by itself, but things have a way of snowballing, if it really is that kind of environment.

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Just now, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

Not by itself, but things have a way of snowballing, if it really is that kind of environment.

 

Tomsula's only been here two years, right?...

 

 

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7 minutes ago, AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy said:

It's been almost two weeks since our ****ing clown show season ended and the only mother****er we've fired is Torian ****ing Gray.

 

I hate the Redskins.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Torrian Gray firing was only speculation on the media’s part. Pretty sure he’s still here. 

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14 minutes ago, Califan007 said:

 

Tomsula's only been here two years, right?...

 

 

 

Yes

 

7 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Torrian Gray firing was only speculation on the media’s part. Pretty sure he’s still here. 

 

I'm still trying to figure what happened there.

So how do you explain a reporter making a statement that a coach is fired, only to find out he's not ?
How do you mess up that badly ? In this case, is it on the reporter, or on the team ?
Did the reporter highly suspect the firing was imminent for some reason, and really wanted to be the first to break the story, so he rushed to  premature publication ?
Or is the firing true, but only unofficial, because Redskins Park is under lockdown, and refusing to make any public statements on anything, regardless of the need ?

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22 minutes ago, Califan007 said:

 

Um, aren't guys like Russell supposed to already know what the "3-ring circus" consists of that is making Redskins coaches flee? And shoudn't fans repeating those comments want to know as well since they are repeating the comments? lol...For a lot of people here (well, more so on twitter) they just run with it and repeat it like it's obvious...and I'm not seeing an obvious explanation as to what would drive coaches to start running out the door. 

 

I think it would be bizarre if he actually had a blow by blow account of everything they don't like.  Your point is often to say reporters fielding gossip are going to get things wrong in the mix.  Well, yeah, of course, we all get that.  Of course some of it will end up wrong -- that's why the what we are hearing stuff doesn't become actual stories until it happens.  Some of it will go down, some won't.  Like I said in another post, people that are cynical about the FO are more likely to believe the more cynical reports -- the ones who are more sympathetic to the FO are less inclined to believe it.  So to each their own.    

 

As for you not seeing an obvious explanation as what would drive coaches to start running out the door and them talking about being tired of dysfunction.  Again different perspectives -- to you that would seem strange.  To many here that wouldn't sound even a little strange.  Different strokes.  Maybe Kotwicka made a lateral move because he just always wanted to live in Atlanta and loved working at Redskins Park -- and Russell has his story completely backwards.  We likely will never know. 😉

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10 minutes ago, Califan007 said:

 

lol @ the bold...

 


But does disagreeing with cutting a player sound like, describe, or qualify as "3-ring circus"?

Well, it’s probably the fact that Swearinger decided to call out the DC (after being asked many times not to, apparently) on top of uhhh.....a **** load of other stupid decisions by this team, and the fact we might not have a good QB next season, and might even be going into 2020 with a new head coach, that all could make it seem like a 3-ring circus around the park to Callahan and Tomsula. Heck if i was there id be wanting out too by now 😂😂

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19 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Torrian Gray firing was only speculation on the media’s part. Pretty sure he’s still here. 

So, he's not ****ing fired and I got corrected by @Cooleyfan1993?

 

This is a new personal low for me. 🤣

 

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If coaches are wanting to get out of the circus then why the hell did they come here in the first place?

It's not exactly like the circus just arrived, its been here for decades. 

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22 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I think it would be bizarre if he actually had a blow by blow account of everything they don't like.  Your point is often to say reporters fielding gossip are going to get things wrong in the mix.  Well, yeah, of course, we all get that.  Of course some of it will end up wrong -- that's why the what we are hearing stuff doesn't become actual stories until it happens.  Some of it will go down, some won't.  Like I said in another post, people that are cynical about the FO are more likely to believe the more cynical reports -- the ones who are more sympathetic to the FO are less inclined to believe it.  So to each their own.    

 

As for you not seeing an obvious explanation as what would drive coaches to start running out the door and them talking about being tired of dysfunction.  Again different perspectives -- to you that would seem strange.  To many here that wouldn't sound even a little strange.  Different strokes.  Maybe Kotwicka made a lateral move because he just always wanted to live in Atlanta and loved working at Redskins Park -- and Russell has his story completely backwards.  We likely will never know. 😉

 

To me, I'm not seeing anything "obvious" that a coach would want to be known as unable or unwanting to deal with it so they said "I'm out" instead. A lot of these guys want to be head coaches, not just coordinators or position coaches. McVay probably experienced 10 times more "circus atmosphere" during his 5 years here than Tomsula did in his 2 years with the Skins. Were there ever any reports that McVay wanted out asap because he's fed up with the dysfunction? If so, I don't remember any. Whatever circus environment he experienced, he rode it out and kept showing the Skins (and apparently other teams) that he was damn good at what he does. So, again, to me, nothing that has occurred with the Skins over the past two years--that we outside of the team know about anyway--makes a good case for a guy like Tomsula throwing up his hands and saying "That's it"...in fact, it would reflect poorly on him, if true. I know most are concentrating on saying it makes the Skins look bad, but unless there was something damn serious going on behind the scene I a not seeing the obvious 3-ring circus that makes coaches run for the hills. 

 

It does come across to me as if it's an easy claim to make, and one that will be believed with no hesitation by most fans...without much thought put into it. Reminds me of when the report came out that Scot M apparently wanted the Skins to sign Cousins long-term after the 2015 training camp. most said "See? Told you Allen and Snyder were dopes!" Guys like Keim and Russell, though, thought it made zero sense and didn't align with what they knew about Scot's opinion of Kirk at the time. So they questioned it. A few others did, too (Galdi, Sheehan). But the desire to believe it, was stronger in many than the desire to see if it was believable.

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I think SIP explained it rather well in that yes - those of us that are not fans of the FO will tend to believe negative reports about the organization.  Rumors like coaches wanting out don’t seem like a stretch to us.

 

Dan oughta hire Califan to put out his fires.  I’m not sure I’ve come across anyone more invested in investigating negative Redskins takes and putting together theories that they cannot possibly be true.  Tony Wylie should spend some time here and take notes.

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10 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I think SIP explained it rather well in that yes - those of us that are not fans of the FO will tend to believe negative reports about the organization.  Rumors like coaches wanting out don’t seem like a stretch to us.

 

Dan oughta hire Califan to put out his fires.  I’m not sure I’ve come across anyone more invested in investigating negative Redskins takes and putting together theories that they cannot possibly be true.  Tony Wylie should spend some time here and take notes.

 

I've said a million times now, my brain is wired to instantly spot logic flaws and work them out until they make sense. Call it the "itchy brain syndrome" lol...

 

My philosophy, on everything:

 

 

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