Bozo the kKklown Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 34 minutes ago, Springfield said: I think with MJ wasn’t even really convicted of anything. Plus, he died before they could really “Bill Crosby” him. Sure, he was a creep. I still listen to his music today and Thriller and Bad are two wonderful works of music. Off the Wall is one of the greatest pieces of musical work ever. @Llevron brings up another point about R. Kelly. His music basically told us what he was doing. "My mind's telling me no, but my body is telling me yes," "the pied piper of R&B," "Imma bad man, and not ashamed of it," and all the other sexual music he writes. Man wrote "Age Ain't Nothing But a Number" for a 14 year-old Aaliyah that he was sexing and illegally married. Mike Jack's music was never about child molestation or anything to suggest that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 She had a SOLID hold on ATL. A friend of mine worked for her...spoke very highly of her. I loved her music, and the fact that she wasn't just makeup and ass-shakin. Jmo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said: Imo, Beyonce would not be what she has become if not for Aaliyah departing just when she was becoming truly big time. ehh, lets not go too far. Beyonce was already a star when Aaliyah was alive. Its the Ashanti's and Ol Yeller Alicia Keys and them you can point too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: Do tell. Not that I am disagreeing, just curious to hear your thoughts on it. You're saying there wouldn't be room for both? There were plenty of other female r&b artists around that same time... Her, Jill Scott, India Arie, Alicia Keys just to name a few, but Beyonce became the "It Girl," starring in movies, etc and that continued once she got with Jay-Z and pretty much didn't look back once she dropped Dangerously in Love. I always felt like though all of those artists held very unique qualities, Aaliyah was the o e who basically had everything, and was charming and magnetic. I've never really felt that way about Beyonce. But when Aaliyah died, Beyonce was the one most in position to take off. They would've done it together, but Beyonce wouldn't have a stranglehold like she has now. Not close. 1 minute ago, BenningRoadSkin said: ehh, lets not go too far. Beyonce was already a star when Aaliyah was alive. Its the Ashanti's and Ol Yeller Alicia Keys and them you can point too. Just did. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: She would certainly have competition for dominant black female crossover artists. Aaliyah had to be recasted for her role in the Matrix sequel after her death while Beyonce was still part of Destiny's Child. Beyonce was filming Austin Powers 3 when Aaliyah died. (Aaliyah was a way better actress than Beyonce, but that has to be pointed out) 1 minute ago, Mr. Sinister said: Just did. Yeah, it is just not true. Beyonce was a star while Aaliyah was alive. I was of age then. I was there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, BenningRoadSkin said: Beyonce was filming Austin Powers 3 when Aaliyah died. (Aaliyah was a way better actress than Beyonce, but that has to be pointed out) That's kinda what I'm getting at, pretty much. I think she was the total package 3 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Beyonce was filming Austin Powers 3 when Aaliyah died. (Aaliyah was a way better actress than Beyonce, but that has to be pointed out) Yeah, it is just not true. Beyonce was a star while Aaliyah was alive. What isn't true? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: ehh, lets not go too far. Beyonce was already a star when Aaliyah was alive. Its the Ashanti's and Ol Yeller Alicia Keys and them you can point too. 2 Wash your mouth out with soap, none of them play a single musical instrument except Alicia. Edited January 7, 2019 by Renegade7 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Also, if you acknowledge that Aaliyah was the better actress, then um, it sounds like you agree with my overall point lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said: That's kinda what I'm getting at, pretty much. I think she was the total package What isn't true? that Beyonce wouldn't be a big star today if Aaliyah was alive. Beyonce was always coming. 1 minute ago, Renegade7 said: Wash your mouth out with soap, none of them play a single musical instrument except Alicia. If she washed her mouth, she may be a better singer. Just now, Mr. Sinister said: Also, if you acknowledge that Aaliyah was the better actress, then um, it sounds like you agree with my overall point lol It doesn't because Beyonce is the biggest pop star in the world. No one cares about her acting, which is my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: that Beyonce wouldn't be a big star today if Aaliyah was alive. Beyonce was always coming. If she washed her mouth, she may be a better singer. It doesn't because Beyonce is the biggest pop star in the world. No one cares about her acting, which is my point. Ok, Jay 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Woah woah woah let's not lose sight of what matters here lol. They all were so fine it wouldn't have mattered to me. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Beyonce was filming Austin Powers 3 when Aaliyah died. (Aaliyah was a way better actress than Beyonce, but that has to be pointed out) @Mr. Sinister already touched on my point that I felt Aaliyah was already ahead of her in many respects and acting was one of them (which I don't agree has to be pointed out considering how popular Queen of Damned was). Beyonce is someone who I keep telling people ain't part of no Illuminati because of how talented she is, she don't need it. Having said that, Aaliyah absolutely woulda been a rival to her, that's somebody who you could see headlining a SuperBowl halftime show by herself as well, easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Beyonce was damn cute in Austin Powers 3 I watched that the other night, it's on Netflix now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: If she washed her mouth, she may be a better singer. That is not a hot take I would stand by, but we are absolutely getting off track here. I feel betrayed by you right now, but we will have to settle that elsewhere. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said: Ok, Jay Speaking of that, dude recorded two albums with R, Kelly. No one talks about that. 4 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Beyonce is someone who I keep telling people ain't part of no Illuminati because of how talented she is, she don't need it. Having said that, Aaliyah absolutely woulda been a rival to her, that's somebody who you could see headlining a SuperBowl halftime show by herself as well, easy. My only point is that Beyonce wasn't being stopped by Aaliyah. I never said Aaliyah would not have been a big star in her own right. Rihanna is around today, actually a better actor than Beyonce by miles (not hard, tbf). And she isnt stopping the Beyonce movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: @Mr. Sinister already touched on my point that I felt Aaliyah was already ahead of her in many respects and acting was one of them (which I don't agree has to be pointed out considering how popular Queen of Damned was). Beyonce is someone who I keep telling people ain't part of no Illuminati because of how talented she is, she don't need it. Having said that, Aaliyah absolutely woulda been a rival to her, that's somebody who you could see headlining a SuperBowl halftime show by herself as well, easy. Think we just got our wires crossed, is all. "Would not be what she has become" does not mean "Was not already a star (Aaliyah was as well, and was already being tapped for more roles when she died)," nor does it mean she would not have gone o to big success as they both embarked on solo careers...... Nor does it have a goddamn thing to do with how popular Beyonce is now, because Aaliyah has been dead for almost 20 years lol. Loved her voice (which I felt was better than Beyonce's) Not sure I've heard Beyonce actually sing in over a decade lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Speaking of that, dude recorded two albums with R, Kelly. No one talks about that. Damon Dash is calling him out: https://www.essence.com/celebrity/dame-dash-jay-z-r-kellys-collaboration-i-never-wanted-no-part-of-that/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Speaking of that, dude recorded two albums with R, Kelly. No one talks about that. My only point is that Beyonce wasn't being stopped by Aaliyah. I never said Aaliyah would not have been a big star in her own Stopped is highly subjective, which is why I didn't use it lol Edited January 7, 2019 by Mr. Sinister 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 26 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Speaking of that, dude recorded two albums with R, Kelly. No one talks about that. My only point is that Beyonce wasn't being stopped by Aaliyah. I never said Aaliyah would not have been a big star in her own right. Rihanna is around today, actually a better actor than Beyonce by miles (not hard, tbf). And she isnt stopping the Beyonce movement. In all fairness (and I really want to get back to this scumbag from Chicago), I don't believe anyone said Beyonce would be stopped. I said they'd be going back and forth like two Divas with crossover appeal, which is what made Beyonce rare because of the time she basically went unchallenged in the music industry. It's really tough because I do believe Aaliyah didn't want to overly sexualize herself to sell records (no doubt in my mind her experience with R.Kelly had something to do with that) but more people probably even now are attracted to Beyonce, no matter which way she presents herself. 21 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said: Think we just got our wires crossed, is all. Yep, that's exactly what happened. She so yellow they made an SNL skit about when White People realized she was Black. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 What’s next, people are going to accuse Jay Z of using drug money to sell records? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Springfield said: What’s next, people are going to accuse Jay Z of using drug money to sell records? That'll never happen like this is going down because Jay eventually stopped, regardless of what he puts in his lyrics. Edited January 7, 2019 by Renegade7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Renegade7 said: I'll go further, neither woulda Justin Timberlake, because that's who Timbaland went to focus on next after she died. Neptunes produced his lead single...but overall he did need Tim. Timberlake owes his ENTIRE solo career to his producers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: I said they'd be going back and forth like two Divas with crossover appeal, which is what made Beyonce rare because of the time she basically went unchallenged in the music industry. I don't believe that would have happened. Beyonce was already a star at the time and if we are being real, Beyonce is a bigger talent than Aaliyah. Rihanna exists right now and isn't slowing down Beyonce. 34 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: Damon Dash is calling him out: https://www.essence.com/celebrity/dame-dash-jay-z-r-kellys-collaboration-i-never-wanted-no-part-of-that/ Convenient for him to say that. He was dating Aaliyah yet was in the "Fiesta" video in 2001. I'm down for getting on Jay, I brought it up and his rebrand is bothering me, but Dame can't say much imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: I don't believe that would have happened. Beyonce was already a star at the time and if we are being real, Beyonce is a bigger talent than Aaliyah. Rihanna exists right now and isn't slowing down Beyonce. Convenient for him to say that. He was dating Aaliyah yet was in the "Fiesta" video in 2001. I'm down for getting on Jay, I brought it up and his rebrand is bothering me, but Dame can't say much imo. What rebrand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passepartout Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 In a sense Rihanna existed when Chris Brown abused her. And how in a sense, her popularity soured. Hate to admit but it is the truth in a sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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