Spaceman Spiff Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 If Harper leaves, the Nats will be better, I believe. Like the Mariners after Griffey Jr. leaving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Kinda liked the idea i heard on a pod the other day: bryce signs with philly, nats then sign machado lol It wont happen, but the pure pain it would bring peter angelos would be worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Spaceman Spiff said: If Harper leaves, the Nats will be better, I believe. Like the Mariners after Griffey Jr. leaving. Or the Rangers after A-Rod left. Or the Giants after Bonds retired. Baseball isn't basketball. A bunch of B to B+ players is much better then one A player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Or the Rangers after A-Rod left. Or the Giants after Bonds retired. Baseball isn't basketball. A bunch of B to B+ players is much better then one A player. Good calls there. I hope the Nats can retain Turner, Rendon and others now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Looks like the MLB Show announcement was that trailer is coming on Feb 5. So probably no announcement today FWIW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 21 minutes ago, bearrock said: Looks like the MLB Show announcement was that trailer is coming on Feb 5. So probably no announcement today FWIW. Don’t think there was/is much chance a goddamn video game studio could be aware of his signing intent without any national baseball writer having a scoop. Toss in the (likely fake) sportscenter graphic and you’ve got a lot of people chasing their tails over nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Spaceman Spiff said: If Harper leaves, the Nats will be better, I believe. Like the Mariners after Griffey Jr. leaving. Eh, I don't know. I think they will be ok without him. Fight for the division. Outfield of Soto, Robles, Eaton would be fine (if Eaton can stay healthy). But I think a team with Bryce Harper is still better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: Eh, I don't know. I think they will be ok without him. Fight for the division. Outfield of Soto, Robles, Eaton would be fine (if Eaton can stay healthy). But I think a team with Bryce Harper is still better. The exact same team with Harper would obviously be better... To me, it's the people you'd have to let walk or not be able to add in order to sign Harper that would make him not worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, TD_washingtonredskins said: The exact same team with Harper would obviously be better... To me, it's the people you'd have to let walk or not be able to add in order to sign Harper that would make him not worth it. If this weren't baseball, I'd agree that people they'd not be "able" to sign. If/When this MASN stuff is finally settled...and I think that'll be soon. The annual $ they get from a TV deal will cover more than long term deals for Harper, Rendon and somebody else. Will it mean they have a huge payroll and are over the luxury tax? Yeah... and they would be if they sign Bryce. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/washington-nationals/payroll/ The line is $206M for 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Just now, @SkinsGoldPants said: If this weren't baseball, I'd agree that people they'd not be "able" to sign. If/When this MASN stuff is finally settled...and I think that'll be soon. The annual $ they get from a TV deal will cover more than long term deals for Harper, Rendon and somebody else. Will it mean they have a huge payroll and are over the luxury tax? Yeah... and they would be if they sign Bryce. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/washington-nationals/payroll/ The line is $206M for 2019. Well that's fair, but still doesn't change my point. Being able and being willing are two different things, but the actual amount to me is irrelevant. Let's say the organization sets a budget of $206M (your figure above). In my opinion, they can build a better all-around team without Harper than with if they stick to that budget. The only way they are "better with Harper" is if you think they could spend whatever they wanted, built the best team possible, and then tacked him onto that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, TD_washingtonredskins said: Well that's fair, but still doesn't change my point. Being able and being willing are two different things, but the actual amount to me is irrelevant. Let's say the organization sets a budget of $206M (your figure above). In my opinion, they can build a better all-around team without Harper than with if they stick to that budget. The only way they are "better with Harper" is if you think they could spend whatever they wanted, built the best team possible, and then tacked him onto that team. Fair enough. My point is that last I heard, the Lerners are amongst the wealthiest owners in MLB. This isn't Snyder who needs the Redskins because he got lucky in business over 20 years ago. The team is basically built right now with or without Harper. Not sure they are looking to add anything else. Things could change in the spring with injuries/guys stepping up. Say Harper and the Nats agree to that 300M 10-year deal. For 2019 is that a game changer? 2020? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 22 hours ago, Spaceman Spiff said: If Harper leaves, the Nats will be better, I believe. Like the Mariners after Griffey Jr. leaving. You do realize after he left, they signed the best player in baseball in ichiro! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, skinfan2k said: You do realize after he left, they signed the best player in baseball in ichiro! Ichiro was great, no doubt, but Griffey was a .900+ OPS player. Ichiro was high .700s, low .800s. Both first ballot hall of famers with different skill sets, but I'd take prime Griffey every day first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 3 hours ago, skinfan2k said: You do realize after he left, they signed the best player in baseball in ichiro! lolol Ichiro was never remotely close to best player in baseball. Glorified singles hitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Remember when the Junkies said Harper was going to Philly yesterday morning. FAKE NEWS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 7 hours ago, Warhead36 said: lolol Ichiro was never remotely close to best player in baseball. Glorified singles hitter. Yeah he only won a MVP lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, skinfan2k said: Yeah he only won a MVP lol. In terms of pure baseball performance, Ichiro was not deserving of the AL MVP in 2001 and Arod and Giambi got robbed. But at least no one would accuse him of being doped up, lol. As for best player in baseball, some guy named Barry hit 73 homeruns that year. He was probably the best non-juiced player though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 19 hours ago, ixcuincle said: Remember when the Junkies said Harper was going to Philly yesterday morning. FAKE NEWS. They didnt break that story, they ran with other people speculation based on what MLB The Show said, as well as a betting site in Vegas. Chris Russell says he has info that Harper has a meeting with an unnamed team... It may be true, but i'm surprised nothing about this came out by the agent in order to drive up the price when it was (incorrectly) reported he was signing with Philly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1067 is full of crap and lies. Take everything you hear from them with a grain of salt. The Junkies drummed up speculation and leaped heavily upon it. They literally said Harper to Philly was done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, ixcuincle said: 1067 is full of crap and lies. Take everything you hear from them with a grain of salt. The Junkies drummed up speculation and leaped heavily upon it. They literally said Harper to Philly was done. i know, so did the national media lol Believe me, i'm not going to act like they're more than they are. A bit driven morning show that happens to be on a sports station. I don't listen to them for their sport prowess, they're usually about a day late on most stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Maybe he's meeting with someone else. If he is, I'd guess LA again. Still think that if he offer him better than Washington, Boras goes back to the Nats to see if they will meet/beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) It's Chris Russel, but it does make since that he'd want to go somewhere close to home. Yep. Chris Russell.... Edited January 31, 2019 by CRobi21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Russell didn’t make any suggestion he knew which team was the mystery team, he actually explicitly said he didn’t know. Harper’s interest in Arizona probably isn’t mutual. Padres make some sense in terms of where they are as an organization. And man, what a place to live and play and raise a family. I could see that being way more appealing to Harper than Philly’s money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry.Randolphe Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 34 minutes ago, skinsfan_1215 said: Russell didn’t make any suggestion he knew which team was the mystery team, he actually explicitly said he didn’t know. Harper’s interest in Arizona probably isn’t mutual. Padres make some sense in terms of where they are as an organization. And man, what a place to live and play and raise a family. I could see that being way more appealing to Harper than Philly’s money. Wasn't Strasburg a done deal to SD back when he was coming up on FA? I just don't see why he would want to leave DC for money when his wife likes it here and he's loved by the city....he saw what happened when the Caps won even though he showed up as a douche in a Vegas jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Barry.Randolphe said: Wasn't Strasburg a done deal to SD back when he was coming up on FA? I just don't see why he would want to leave DC for money when his wife likes it here and he's loved by the city....he saw what happened when the Caps won even though he showed up as a douche in a Vegas jersey If you don’t see why someone would prefer San Diego over DC as a city/living experience I can’t help ya Also, $2m/$10m/$30m might seem like not that much in the context of a $300m contract. But it’s still millions or tens of millions of dollars, that an athlete will have *one* chance in their lifetime to earn. So they should take the best offer, unless there is a compelling reason to take a (slightly) lower offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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