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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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WP: Welcome to the Redskins, where honesty is not in the employee handbook.

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“Here’s what will get you fired from the Washington Redskins: honesty. The quickest way to lose your job is to refuse to parrot the institutional lie. Safety D.J. Swearinger Sr. was cut for running his irrepressibly honest mouth about their coaching weaknesses. Chief operating officer Brian Lafemina was let go for honestly acknowledging their lousy business practices and busting the myth that there is a waiting list for tickets. The mistake of both men was in trying to make a difference, to swing the organization in a winning direction, by calling it out. These are the kinds of people who invariably end up cut or tossed to the curb by the Redskins, while the enabling go-alongers and happy-talkers remain......”

 

 

Ive never been a big fan of Jenkins, but it’s hard to argue with most of what is in this article.

 

This is nothing that any one of us didn’t already know, but it’s interesting to see some of the media’s opinions in print.

 

Thoughts?

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I dont know how anyone believed there was a waiting list for tickets. I mean they were constantly removing seats, that kind of says the exact opposite was going on. 

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I don’t think Snyder knows how to read so not sure if public shaming by newspapers will help.

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11 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

I dont know how anyone believed there was a waiting list for tickets. I mean they were constantly removing seats, that kind of says the exact opposite was going on. 

You'll be surprised. Just last season (2017), opening game against the Eagles. Sit next a woman who says she signed a three-year contract at $4500 per seat per season and was complaining about the price, but it was just always her dream to have season tickets to the Redskins. "Um, you know you can get these tickets on Stubhub for a fraction of that."

 

And $4500 was the "discounted" price the Skins were offering to lure people in. Later on in the year, sit next to a gentleman in the club level who asks how much we paid for the seats. "About a hundred per." "Yeah, I've had these for 17 seasons and am paying $7000 per seat this year." In other words, whatever the Redskins send him in the invoice, he just says "Mmmkay" and strokes the check.

 

But we knew what was going to happen a mile away this season. Lets see, we part ways with a well-liked QB......what do we do? Oh, lets strangle the secondary market.

 

I was really curious about how Lafemina and Co were going to address the situation they had a hand in creating. I wonder if Dan/Bruce will just go back to flooding the secondary market again. It may piss off some STH, but it certainly won't make attendance much worse, if at all, than it was this season.   

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23 minutes ago, skinzdar55 said:

 

Ive never been a big fan of Jenkins, but it’s hard to argue with most of what is in this article.

I used to not be a big fan of Jenkins myself, but over time you start to realize that she’s right the majority of the time, it’s just that I used to not want to hear it.

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1 minute ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I used to not be a big fan of Jenkins myself, but over time you start to realize that she’s right the majority of the time, it’s just that I used to not want to hear it.

 

Good point!

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Y'all just don't get it, Snyder=Trump (I know, I know, no politics, this isn't ) He is all ego and is completely unaware of any of the issues that we rant n rave about here, he is the "This is fine" dog. He is simply not ever going to "get it", to learn, to grow, to mature, to anything! He is exactly what he has always been and always will be, Redskins fans are **** outta luck unless he draws the lucky aneurysm card.

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This is the most on-point ripping apart of this team I have read in a while. At least on a personal level, it gets why I have basically stopped watching games over the past two years and only check in on box scores.  

 

This team is run by people who lack integrity and honesty. It should physically repulse people to give a penny to the scumbags in charge of this organization. 

 

No business in a competitive market will ever put out a good product when it’s rotting from inside because it values all the wrong things. Massive egos that can’t handle criticism and ass-kissing yes-men because anyone who dares to point out icky bad stuff is purged. 

 

In an ideal universe, this team has an owner and business people who value integrity, they respect their customer base and show humility when they make mistakes. Lovable losers, not repulsive sleazebags. It would make the continual suckage mildly tolerable.

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Off lol, that's a pretty damn cutting article.  

 

But hey, if this team was less injured and took that 6-3 record to 11-5, no one would be talking about our ****ty front office.  

 

Kinda crazy how fast things fell this year right, I mean crazier than usual.  Was it the foster signing?  I know it wasn't alex's leg, people didn't believe in him before that.(even though he was winning).  Maybe colts leg?  Nah people would have had sympathy after that.  Ok signing someone besides kap?  Eh.. that added to the ****storm but that's not the Redskins fault.  Releasing DJ.  That's it.  That's when we said **** it this thing is a mess.

 

And it is a mess.  But the mess with DJ is separate from the mess of the FO.  If this team was 11-5 going into the playoffs with that strong **** we saw from the first half of the season we would've said "yeah! we don't tolerate that **** talk on our winning football team!". ...but that **** talk wouldn't have happened if we were winning....which is why DJ, in this delicate situation of a season, shouldn't have said anytjing. 

 

We can win in spite of this ****ty front office situation.  And we might as well hope for that, because it doesn't seem it's going to change.

 

Still, I like this article.  Bring it to people's attention, it's ****ing embarrassing.  

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1 minute ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

It’s to the point where I immediately think of Snyder and Allen when i think of the team and the idea of supporting them directly or indirectly makes me sick to my stomach. 

 

 

I’m there now. Earlier this season I knew what I was seeing wasn’t sustainable, and probably bad for us as fans long term.  But come Sunday, I was still in front of the TV pacing, wanting to win.  At this point, I literally see myself as actively rooting for a 3-13 meltdown in 2019.  I hate that because there are players and some coaches that I do like and hate that they have to experience it.  But at this point, humiliation of Dan and Bruce is the only medication for this sickness we know as being a Redskins fan.

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Poignant summation by Ms Jenkins:

 

Snyder’s regular season record as an owner is 139-179-1, and he has never had a team win 11 games. There is a distinct pattern to his tenure, a wobbling repetitive cycle, with periods of total disintegration, and then the spin starts again. This organization simply cannot put good people in place and hold them there, because it has no tolerance for truthfulness and therefore no coherent value

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Remember all those fans of ours that cried and moaned about how we don't get talked about and shown on great sports channels like ESPN and NFL Network?  Remember all those fans of ours crying that we don't get respect around the league and in the media in general?  Well this article pretty much sums it up.

 

The leadership in the franchise sucks.  I remember there was a time I could tease Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles fans about there owners, especially Mara and JJ.  But it's sad that in all reality, those owners are light years better than our owner will ever be.  Mara has two SB rings, Lurie has one ring and Jones has three.

 

Snyder has zero and will NEVER win a ring as an owner.  Snyder and this front office took away our rights as fans to tease and clown our rival's owners and front offices because we have arguably the worst in the league.

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2 hours ago, LD0506 said:

Y'all just don't get it, Snyder=Trump (I know, I know, no politics, this isn't ) He is all ego and is completely unaware of any of the issues that we rant n rave about here, he is the "This is fine" dog. He is simply not ever going to "get it", to learn, to grow, to mature, to anything! He is exactly what he has always been and always will be, Redskins fans are **** outta luck unless he draws the lucky aneurysm card.

Really politics! So if I replied back about Obama and Clinton or bush all being liars it’s ok . Egos everyone has your argument Doesn’t mKe sense

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"A team that already had a reputation for long-term toxic malaise now finds itself in perhaps the most dangerous state of the past two lousy decades: only career desperados will work for it. Anyone with a real future, anyone who is not a total wreck-reclamation project, has zero incentive to sign with these jokers, unless it’s for a cap-destroying amount of money."

 

She is 100% correct. 

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11 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I used to not be a big fan of Jenkins myself, but over time you start to realize that she’s right the majority of the time, it’s just that I used to not want to hear it.

 

I had to pass on tickets this past season due to being on the company RIF list as a result of the contract I had been supporting (for 20 years) coming to an unexpected end; the invoice was due 12 days after I got my initial letter and could not justify the $3k for two lower bowl seats and parking at that time.  I got extensions to the RIF due to the contract end date and additional responsibilities as part of close out ... (total time was four months)

 

During that time, I was able to be part of another contract within the same organization; one month later (and two months after I officially said sayonara to my tickets, I got an e-mail saying I could renew my tickets again.  I looked at the map and saw none of my seatmates had renewed.  I chose to take a pass for a number of reasons.

 

Although I have been following events in the league ... (hard to avoid in a market town) ... that validated my reason for not renewing, this article clearly emphasizes why I'm done supporting this organization.  Good people who have the best knowledge about the game are run out of town.  I had hoped that, after disposing of the old lap dog nine years ago, that we'd see a kinder and gentler owner; one who would let the people he hired do their jobs while he sat back and let it all transpire.

 

Someone told me long ago that a leopard never changes his stripes; sadly, that is the case here with current ownership.  This is definitely not the same franchise that JKC owned and cherished; or, as the old adage goes, these are not your father's Redskins.

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Like I have posted before, this team is not the Washington Redskins; it is the DC Snyderskins. I now agree that this team is an insult to all "Native Americans" and should be renamed the Snyderskins or maybe just the Snyders. As far as holding the line for Snyder is concerned, along with Bruce Allen and the rest who do, don't forget the play by play and TV face of the Snyders, Larry Michael who has never called a bad play for the Snyders or ever seen a bad effort by any Snyders player.

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12 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I used to not be a big fan of Jenkins myself, but over time you start to realize that she’s right the majority of the time, it’s just that I used to not want to hear it.

 

To the annoyance of more than a few members over the years, I've thought Jenkins has been about 75% right on since she began to impact ES' awareness.

 

The ES "media war" dealio was pretty much a big joke to me all along---the exaggerated self-celebrating vision of the site as truthful Davids successfully battling an unjust lying Goliath---media, properly critical quite often---instead of dealing honestly with valid criticism or the actual reality the organization was a questionably managed continuous disappointment more often than not.

 

It was spin spin spin and don't look over here with many of the ES figureheads peddling the line that dan and vinnie were actually geniuses---dan in business and vinnie knowing the game---especially with the cap and signing multiple expensive FAs compared to the rest of the nfl (mostly a huge waste of time and money) and we were gonna buy our way to the top year after year (yes, the gibbs return did breath some almost-believable life into that pipe dream). 

 

To be fair, during those days there really were hack-ish pieces/writers at wapo like nunzio and davey at the wa examiner etc (i'm not really the dc media buff, though),  but snyder and a couple of his top execs often came off to many folks as serious dickheads with multiple "personal development" issues themselves half the time (being kind).  Some liked the perceived value of a fans v. the media publicity campaign that went on and on, seeing it as a positive motivator for 'skins fans and keeping the coffers/energy flowing.

 

My take is that some actually believed their own PR BS too often.  Some ES founders/mods and redskin execs enjoyed  battling and trolling the media and many posters here did too. It was a core part of the site's identity for a time. I don't miss that dumbassery. I thought outside of a few good stories about how lame nutty nunzio and dipstick dave could be, it was a pretty lame shtick and the redskins/es side was often the less intelligently argued one on many issues of the day.

 

This organization has been a mess for a long time, but we have still loved and supported our team, and the legacy of the team is bigger than dan ****ing snyder or ES for that matter.

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She makes many good points for sure. 

 

I am uncomfortable grouping Swearinger and Lafemina in the same bucket. It accurately makes the point that Snyder and Allen don't like to hear ugly truths I guess. But they are completely different situations. 

 

Outside of that though, she is on-point about this front office. 

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58 minutes ago, Jumbo said:

My take is that some actually believed their own PR BS too often.  Some ES founders/mods and redskin execs enjoyed  battling and trolling the media and many posters here did too. It was a core part of the site's identity for a time. I don't miss that dumbassery. I thought outside of a few good stories about how lame nutty nunzio and dipstick dave could be, it was a pretty lame shtick and the redskins/es side was often the less intelligently argued one on many issues of the day.

 

This organization has been a mess for a long time, but we have still loved and supported our team, and the legacy of the team is bigger than dan ****ing snyder or ES for that matter.

Jumbo, I appreciate the honesty.  I know people's priorities change and they don't post as much around here as they used to, if at all. However, you just can't help but notice how the folks who were the biggest apologists for this organization don't seem to be around anymore........perhaps they realized that there was nothing really worth defending.

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7 minutes ago, hail2skins said:

Jumbo, I appreciate the honesty.  I know people's priorities change and they don't post as much around here as they used to, if at all. However, you just can't help but notice how the folks who were the biggest apologists for this organization don't seem to be around anymore........perhaps they realized that there was nothing really worth defending.

100% because there is not much worth defending when it comes to the ownership, the front office and  the coaches. There was a time when criticizing the team was seen as being unnecessarily negative, turns out, we were just ahead of the curve. The few remaining hopefuls need to realize that until Snyder is gone, things will not change.

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11 hours ago, Dirt said:

Off lol, that's a pretty damn cutting article.  

 

But hey, if this team was less injured and took that 6-3 record to 11-5, no one would be talking about our ****ty front office.  

 

 

That's the problem though right? They've never been able to do that under this FO at least not consistently.  Always excuses, injuries, chemistry, draft picks whatever - good FO's overcome these problems, bad ones don't. 

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