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      ES Coverage: Giants vs Redskins 
       
      12/9/18
       
      DEFEAT!!!
       
      Giants 40 - Redskins 16
       
      Greetings friends, JimmiJo here, and I am joined by my shivering partner, Spaceman Spiff. Together we will bring you this all important NFC East divisional matchup between the Washington Redskins and New York Giants.
       
      When I was last with you the Redskins had command of the division and there was optimism to spare. Since, devastating injuries to quarterbacks, linemen, and cornerbacks has left this team losers in 4-of-5 contests.
       
      But there is still everything to play for, and if they can manage a victory today and the Eagles to the same Washington will once again have a share of the lead.
       
      I can dream can't I?
       
      On paper, the future looks grim. A continued collapse will start the questions about the future of personnel and perhaps leadership. Yes, we can certainly point to injuries as the primary reason the team is struggling. But the record earlier in the year was masking some issues with the squad. No real arial threat. An inconsistent running game. And a defense that has been anything but consistent.
       
      But these are questions for another time. Today, it is just two teams looking for a win.
       
      See you at the half.
       
      Follow along on Twitter @Skinscast 
       
      Inactives
       
      The Redskins declared the following players as inactive:
      o   No. 12 QB Colt McCoy
      o   No. 32 RB Samaje Perine
      o   No. 46 RB Kapri Bibbs
      o   No. 52 LB Ryan Anderson
      o   No. 63 C Demetrius Rhaney
      o   No. 66 G Tony Bergstrom
      o   No. 99 DL Caleb Brantley
       
      JimmiJo
       
      I was happy to see players like Josh Johnson and Byron Marshall in the game. The marquee guys did not earn the right to play following the disastrous first half. It was historically bad.
       
      Never before had the Washington Redskins trailed by as much as the 34-0 deficit they entertained today at the half.
       
      I remarked to one of the writers that in 13-seasons I had never seen this team so outplayed as today. The offense led by Mark Sanchez was throw-up in mouth bad. At no point did you feel like they would or could score.
       
      I tweeted before the game that it is time for Daniel Snyder to replaced head coach Jay Gruden. Yes injuries are the headline. But the offense was poor before the injuries.
       
      No aerial threat and an inconsistent rushing. They only seemed to score 20-points per game.
       
      What they did do well was hold on to the ball. And the defense was a takeover machine the first half of the year.
      But turnovers tend to even out.
       
      So I was more than glad to see those ‘backups’ play. All they did was show they should have been playing in the first half.
       
      Especially Johnson. Take a look at your Redskins’ starter the rest of the way. From his first snap the offense looked different. There was energy. There was life.
       
      And there was threat.
       
      Johnson played with more command, accuracy and imagination than Mark Sanchez. He looked much more the accomplished quarterback.
       
      A word on Josh Doctson. You are an idiot. Without the stupid penalty you are not letting the safety out-position you to make the pick with 5-minutes left.
       
      Following this game, staring at the standings and considering possible scenarios for getting in the playoffs is fools’ gold. It is all about assessing who it worth keeping for next year.
       
      I don’t believe head coach Jay Gruden is going to make the list. Nor should he. He has had nore than enough time to do something here. He had Kirk Cousins’ starting over 3-full seasons.
       
      He had his chance.
       
      I tweeted before the game team owner Daniel Snyder should let Gruden go and bring in Mike McCarthy. Washington Post writer (and friend) Rick Snider made a great counterpoint to that idea:
       
      “Why would McCarthy want to come here? He has better options,” he said.
       
      That sure feels like the truth. And if so, it may explain why Gruden is fast becoming one of the most tenured coaches in the league.
       
      This was my last game for this season. I would like to thank Extremeskins and the team for the opportunity this year. I will see you guys next year.
       
      Let me go on the record now and say I do not think Jay Gruden's position here is secure. Not with the likes of Mike McCarthy available.
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On 12/4/2018 at 11:09 AM, bakedtater1 said:

Any one worthy of being a gm here will not want to... Give me a list of 10 excellent GM's that could be a GM here and I guarantee you seven of the 10 would say hell no to working for Snyder... Personally I think we're absolutely ****ed as long as Snyder is in the picture.

 

Kevin Rogers, director of pro personnel for the Colts. Brilliant, despite preferring Ragnow to Daniels. He’s the guy. 

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On 12/4/2018 at 3:31 PM, Rufus T Firefly said:

Of course, by the same logic, if constantly fighting towards the middle was all you needed than Washington, Cincinnati, Dallas and Miami would have elevated themselves to Super Bowl status a long time ago. All those lists prove is that you have to have a level of competence in your FO for your team to succeed. 

 

And the teams on your list seem to have brighter futures than the teams on mine. A lot brighter, depending on how you feel about those young QBs. 

 

The purpose of getting those picks is to have, as much as possible, of the one commodity almost every team will over pay for. Ideally you would keep moving your number 1s unless you have the rare talent available. 

 

Take the 2019 #1 & trade it for a 2019 #1 & a 2020 #1, & a late pick or a payer.

Take your new 2019 #1 & trade it for a 2020 #1 & a 2021 #1. 

 

You can easily turn a top 12 #1 into 2 additional 1s in 2020, an additional 1 in 2021, +.

 

Just by acknowledging that we aren’t ready now & letting desperate/delusional GMs get their dopamine high - by moving up - we can easily, & quietly, give ourselves 5 #1s in the following 2 years. 

 

With the assets in those drafts we can do the same, loading up for the Trevor Lawrence draft, while getting worse ourselves, which actually, & obviously, increases the value of our draft assets.

 

We keep trading back a draft class which will ensure we Always have the firsts for any player we want to trade for. We can ensure we always have 2 firsts, just trade back, we use one for the bpa & the other to pick up late picks & a first in the following draft. It’s really simple, it is what we should be doing. We acquire assets, they just happen to be picks, & teams don’t handle them rationally, which we really should be taking advantage of. Nothing better than a desperate GM, outbidding another desperate GM, each willing to overpay us, to get the guy, who will save his job. 

 

 

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Look at what Freddie Kitchens is doing with Baker Mayfield in Cleveland, the moment he was given the offensive reigns post-Hue and Haley. Read into his life story a bit. 

 

If the Browns don't stick with Gregg Williams, and Kitchens gets lost in the transition to a new HC who wants "his guys" (which would be a massive mistake given the steps Mayfield is taking in the offense, but just as a hypothetical)....we need to look at this guy. 

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To everyone saying they want GW to be our head coach, I'm sorry to tell you but it will never happen. Nobody in their right mind comes back and coaches under Dan Snyder twice. That relationship is soured

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2 hours ago, volsmet said:

 

The purpose of getting those picks is to have, as much as possible, of the one commodity almost every team will over pay for. Ideally you would keep moving your number 1s unless you have the rare talent available. 

 

Take the 2019 #1 & trade it for a 2019 #1 & a 2020 #1, & a late pick or a payer.

Take your new 2019 #1 & trade it for a 2020 #1 & a 2021 #1. 

 

You can easily turn a top 12 #1 into 2 additional 1s in 2020, an additional 1 in 2021, +.

 

Just by acknowledging that we aren’t ready now & letting desperate/delusional GMs get their dopamine high - by moving up - we can easily, & quietly, give ourselves 5 #1s in the following 2 years. 

 

With the assets in those drafts we can do the same, loading up for the Trevor Lawrence draft, while getting worse ourselves, which actually, & obviously, increases the value of our draft assets.

 

We keep trading back a draft class which will ensure we Always have the firsts for any player we want to trade for. We can ensure we always have 2 firsts, just trade back, we use one for the bpa & the other to pick up late picks & a first in the following draft. It’s really simple, it is what we should be doing. We acquire assets, they just happen to be picks, & teams don’t handle them rationally, which we really should be taking advantage of. Nothing better than a desperate GM, outbidding another desperate GM, each willing to overpay us, to get the guy, who will save his job. 

 

 

Bill Belichick, whom I hate, is the best Coach of his era, and by a fair margin. As a GM (and, titles aside, he is really the GM there and has been throughout) he's overrated. But the thing that has allowed him to overcome the slightly above mediocre drafting and sometimes wrongheaded vet acquisitions, is the organizational moneyball-style philosophy. They consistently trade current picks for future picks, meaning they were just constantly creating extra value. A late 3rd for a future 2nd that might be a lot higher in the round, etc. They just kept doing it, which means they always seemed to have more draft capital than many of the teams drafting ahead of them. That, combined with the occasional trade of a vet for picks, allowed them to miss on a lot of picks and still be able to add as much new talent as anyone.

 

On a rebuilding team it makes even more sense to adopt such an attitude. Why turn down extra value in the future if you're not going to win anything now? Especially if, as you said, we're trying to add resources for a potential franchise QB.

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31 minutes ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

We don't have a 4th or 6th next year.

 

That's funny.

 

 

 

We will get a comp pick in the 6th for haha... possibly a 4th for preston if he walks.

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