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      ES Coverage: Giants vs Redskins 
       
      12/9/18
       
      DEFEAT!!!
       
      Giants 40 - Redskins 16
       
      Greetings friends, JimmiJo here, and I am joined by my shivering partner, Spaceman Spiff. Together we will bring you this all important NFC East divisional matchup between the Washington Redskins and New York Giants.
       
      When I was last with you the Redskins had command of the division and there was optimism to spare. Since, devastating injuries to quarterbacks, linemen, and cornerbacks has left this team losers in 4-of-5 contests.
       
      But there is still everything to play for, and if they can manage a victory today and the Eagles to the same Washington will once again have a share of the lead.
       
      I can dream can't I?
       
      On paper, the future looks grim. A continued collapse will start the questions about the future of personnel and perhaps leadership. Yes, we can certainly point to injuries as the primary reason the team is struggling. But the record earlier in the year was masking some issues with the squad. No real arial threat. An inconsistent running game. And a defense that has been anything but consistent.
       
      But these are questions for another time. Today, it is just two teams looking for a win.
       
      See you at the half.
       
      Follow along on Twitter @Skinscast 
       
      Inactives
       
      The Redskins declared the following players as inactive:
      o   No. 12 QB Colt McCoy
      o   No. 32 RB Samaje Perine
      o   No. 46 RB Kapri Bibbs
      o   No. 52 LB Ryan Anderson
      o   No. 63 C Demetrius Rhaney
      o   No. 66 G Tony Bergstrom
      o   No. 99 DL Caleb Brantley
       
      JimmiJo
       
      I was happy to see players like Josh Johnson and Byron Marshall in the game. The marquee guys did not earn the right to play following the disastrous first half. It was historically bad.
       
      Never before had the Washington Redskins trailed by as much as the 34-0 deficit they entertained today at the half.
       
      I remarked to one of the writers that in 13-seasons I had never seen this team so outplayed as today. The offense led by Mark Sanchez was throw-up in mouth bad. At no point did you feel like they would or could score.
       
      I tweeted before the game that it is time for Daniel Snyder to replaced head coach Jay Gruden. Yes injuries are the headline. But the offense was poor before the injuries.
       
      No aerial threat and an inconsistent rushing. They only seemed to score 20-points per game.
       
      What they did do well was hold on to the ball. And the defense was a takeover machine the first half of the year.
      But turnovers tend to even out.
       
      So I was more than glad to see those ‘backups’ play. All they did was show they should have been playing in the first half.
       
      Especially Johnson. Take a look at your Redskins’ starter the rest of the way. From his first snap the offense looked different. There was energy. There was life.
       
      And there was threat.
       
      Johnson played with more command, accuracy and imagination than Mark Sanchez. He looked much more the accomplished quarterback.
       
      A word on Josh Doctson. You are an idiot. Without the stupid penalty you are not letting the safety out-position you to make the pick with 5-minutes left.
       
      Following this game, staring at the standings and considering possible scenarios for getting in the playoffs is fools’ gold. It is all about assessing who it worth keeping for next year.
       
      I don’t believe head coach Jay Gruden is going to make the list. Nor should he. He has had nore than enough time to do something here. He had Kirk Cousins’ starting over 3-full seasons.
       
      He had his chance.
       
      I tweeted before the game team owner Daniel Snyder should let Gruden go and bring in Mike McCarthy. Washington Post writer (and friend) Rick Snider made a great counterpoint to that idea:
       
      “Why would McCarthy want to come here? He has better options,” he said.
       
      That sure feels like the truth. And if so, it may explain why Gruden is fast becoming one of the most tenured coaches in the league.
       
      This was my last game for this season. I would like to thank Extremeskins and the team for the opportunity this year. I will see you guys next year.
       
      Let me go on the record now and say I do not think Jay Gruden's position here is secure. Not with the likes of Mike McCarthy available.
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Starting QB 2019???

Who should be the starting QB in 2019???  

247 members have voted

  1. 1. Who should be the starting QB in 2019???

    • Alex Smith
      24
    • Colt McCoy
      40
    • Trade for a Veteran
      0
    • Sign a Veteran
      10
    • First Round Pick (2019 draft class)
      33
    • Non-First Round Pick (2019 draft class)
      27
    • Too Early to Answer
      51
    • I don't know yet
      16
    • We're screwed (at least at QB for 2019)
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4 hours ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

Its frustrating. In all my life i have Yet to see a QB who we can count on to get us to the playoffs each season. I doubt we’ll have one until 2021, maybe even longer than that...ugh. 

The last QB to fit that description was Joe Theisman.  I barely remember Joe playing..  

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The Saints are in bad cap shape next year, I think, but I bet in a perfect world (for them definitely, maybe him) Teddy will want to stay there to take the reins from Brees.

 

OK: If this is right, slightly worse off than us. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2019/ , but they appear to have more free agents to worry about.

 

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Way too early to tell.  Colt has not played much football in the past few years so he is very fresh and who know might surprise us.  What if he plays well and takes us to the playoffs and wins a game.  You don't give him a chance next year?  In such a case you draft a good prospect and you let him sit behind Colt to learn.

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4 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

RG3 and Colin Kaepernick will be free agents this offseason 

 

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 You're not even remotely funny.

 It doesn't matter who they get, they're going to struggle with Gruden's system. Hec, even HE gets confused with it.

 

 New QB.

New HC

New OC

Replacement for Allen.

We HAD some of this equation already but let him go to the Rams.

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1 hour ago, Jericho said:

 

Not really sure why the Giants would trade Lauletta. In the division no less. They have their own QB problems. So if they dump Lauletta, it's likely for good reason. Unless the Redskins want to just overpay

(IMO) At the time, it looked the Giants were going all in for a QB in the 2019 draft. Suck for Luck part deaux. Kyle needs development and tutelage. I have a feeling that it would indeed take overpaying now, but 4 weeks ago a 4th rounder probably could have pried him away. It's still worth a phonecall to NY, even if just to put out feelers.

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6 minutes ago, skins island connection said:

 

 You're not even remotely funny.

 It doesn't matter who they get, they're going to struggle with Gruden's system. Hec, even HE gets confused with it.

 

 New QB.

New HC

New OC

Replacement for Allen.

We HAD some of this equation already but let him go to the Rams.

 

I like messing with ya'll. 

 

This is a thread about next QB, but I'm not going to support getting rid of Jay if we make the playoffs, I can't do it.  He should earn another year with that, especially if that offense looks anything like it did when Colt came in for the rest of the year.  You're being overdramatic with the OC because if Jay is calling plays its not clear what he's even screwing up, if anything.  And as for Allen, I agree he should be gone, but he's already been replaced by Doug Williams, who I trust right now.

17 minutes ago, TheGreek1973 said:

Way too early to tell.  Colt has not played much football in the past few years so he is very fresh and who know might surprise us.  What if he plays well and takes us to the playoffs and wins a game.  You don't give him a chance next year?  In such a case you draft a good prospect and you let him sit behind Colt to learn.

Brought this up in the Colt thread, if he wins a playoff game, I would not make getting his immediate replacement a priority, but I would still work to get his eventual replacement.  He has to prove he can be the answer as a starting QB going forward, but we need to keep in mind he's 32 already, so he'll be 33 at start of next season.  Basically I think we need to get someone, whoever we bring in this week will be to the backup, not the future.

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1 hour ago, max21 said:

Tank next year with Colt and get whoever the top QB is in 2020 

Why should we tank next year with Colt if we could be a playoff team this year?  If there's someone that good next year, lets just make this team as good as we can this offseason and prepare to trade up for our guy in 2020 draft.

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I find it funny how everytime someone breaks a leg nowadays, people start saying that he is done, career over etc. I mean don’t get me wrong, I know it’s a painful and very serious injury, but this is not 1967 anymore. Alex still has about 15 million reasons to recover and come back to play next year. 

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smith has got 70mil gtd for injury so the only qb we can afford is a draft pick... kinda.... narrows it down. It’s either smith, mc coy, or a draft pick. I don’t think we can afford a bridgewater...

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43 minutes ago, RedskinsSerbia said:

I find it funny how everytime someone breaks a leg nowadays, people start saying that he is done, career over etc. I mean don’t get me wrong, I know it’s a painful and very serious injury, but this is not 1967 anymore. Alex still has about 15 million reasons to recover and come back to play next year. 

 

Think its different for a mobile QB who will be 35 at the start of next season who was doing a terrible job passing the ball.  If it takes him a while to get his mobility back, we're not just talking about getting back to where he was, because that wasn't good enough this year, he's been terrible this year.  We're talking about is he ever going to be the QB we gave that contract to.  I thought it might be today, but if you looked at his box score, it was actually one of his worst games, and that's not counting the interceptions.  I think he should be done, he should retire, will he is a different conversation.

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6 hours ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

Nick Mullins? Why? At least right now, he’s unproven. 

Well, he is unproven, but has looked good in limited playing time. I dint know what his pros and cons are but he's a guy who could at least develop into a nice starter. Plus SF just paid Jimmy G so Nick won't be somebody they want to keep long term. Same for Bethard. 

 

Question is would one get cut or do we trade? 

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We aren’t going to be in a position to get any top QB prospects.

 

We should just start filling holes in other areas until we are in a position to draft a good prospect or get one in FA.

 

We need:

Edge rusher

LG

WR

probably a TE

Another ILB

CB

FS

 

QB is the most important position but I’m done just wasting money or drafting the wrong guy at the wrong place

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With Smith's contract situation, there's no way we can afford a vet qb. Couple that with the contacts of Reed, Norman, Trent, Moses Kerrigan and Brandon's upcoming deal, and

we're stuck rolling with Colt and a rookie in next year's draft.

 

Problem is Colt takes too many hits and is not the most durable guy to begin with.

In other words, unless we get some rookie that balls out and guice comes back 100%, we're up piss creek, with paddles this deep, we're still gonna sink.

Not that things were rosy with Alex, his contact really hamstrings us in a bad way. Bruce completely screwed the pooch with that one.

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7 hours ago, KDawg said:

2019 is not the year you draft a QB, in my opinion. You hold out for 2020 if you can.

 

Id go into 2019 with McCoy and a young veteran (CJ, Mullens, etc) that could compete for a job. Maybe a flyer on a mid round QB. If we luck out and get a gem, awesome. If not we do what we can in the 2020 draft to acquire the best QB we can.

 

I'd see if we could get Bridgewater. We're not going to have much money to work with though. So, that isn't very likely. Outside of that, I agree with you. 19' isn't looking like a good QB year, we'd be better off with Colt and a young kid as you suggested.

 

And then, there is Smith. What do you do if he ends up being healthy? Do you play him or not? He's getting paid regardless, so do you put him out there?

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I've liked Teddy since he was drafted. Definitely the route I'd go.

 

This upcoming draft is void of QBs. I was joking the other day about being happy the giants are taking one this year and not last year or next.

 

Start Colt this year, put Lynch behind him. Get someone on the practice squad and roll with it.

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1 minute ago, Koolblue13 said:

I've liked Teddy since he was drafted. Definitely the route I'd go.

 

This upcoming draft is void of QBs. I was joking the other day about being happy the giants are taking one this year and not last year or next.

 

Start Colt this year, put Lynch behind him. Get someone on the practice squad and roll with it.

 

You know, when you mention Paxton Lynch as a backup, it makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

 

But then.......................when I think of who else is actually available............................I'd almost rather go after guys that are retired.

 

Yay Paxton Lynch. :kickcan:

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Just now, Morneblade said:

 

You know, when you mention Paxton Lynch as a backup, it makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

 

But then.......................when I think of who else is actually available............................I'd almost rather go after guys that are retired.

 

Yay Paxton Lynch. :kickcan:

It's a shame and not just because of this year, but we're on an upswing. If this sets us back 2 years, that means rookie contracts for the Dline start showing up.. this is a momentum killer for the franchise. 

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12 hours ago, Thinking Skins said:

Here's a list of a bunch of free agent QBs currently available. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2018/all/quarterback/available/

 

Paxton Lynch for backup? 

 

That list is depressing man...I'm going back to bed after I change my answer from "too early to tell" to "we are screwed".  

2 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

It's a shame and not just because of this year, but we're on an upswing. If this sets us back 2 years, that means rookie contracts for the Dline start showing up.. this is a momentum killer for the franchise. 

 

Exactly my thoughts as well.  Not just the Dline contracts but the need for OLine as well.  While I'm optimistic about our chances the rest of this year, the FO is going to have to get pretty crafty balancing everything out for the next 3 years.  

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5 hours ago, Morneblade said:

 

I'd see if we could get Bridgewater. We're not going to have much money to work with though. So, that isn't very likely. Outside of that, I agree with you. 19' isn't looking like a good QB year, we'd be better off with Colt and a young kid as you suggested.

 

And then, there is Smith. What do you do if he ends up being healthy? Do you play him or not? He's getting paid regardless, so do you put him out there?

I guess barring a miracle I wouldn't think Alex is ready by week 1..or even week 5 for that matter..it's gonna be interesting to see how it unfolds.

8 hours ago, skins island connection said:

 

 You're not even remotely funny.

 It doesn't matter who they get, they're going to struggle with Gruden's system. Hec, even HE gets confused with it.

 

 New QB.

New HC

New OC

Replacement for Allen.

We HAD some of this equation already but let him go to the Rams.

Wait, what really?...are you saying blow it all up at seasons end?..even if we squeek into the playoffs?

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Colt McCoy is the starter next year.  Hopefully we draft Will Grier to back him up.

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