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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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Starting QB 2019???

Who should be the starting QB in 2019???  

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22 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said:

So did Josh Rosen actually say he didn't want to play for the skins?..

 

No he never said that. I listened to the pod which I always do and Kevin is very well connected and he just offered an informed opinion and was saying he doesn't see us landing Rosen anymore.

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27 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said:

So did Josh Rosen actually say he didn't want to play for the skins?..

No, at this point Rosen has been told by the AZ Cardinals FO that he is the QB of the team and to block out outside noise.

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Don't know if there is anything to it but there is one 180 about this predraft process compared to what i recall in recent years.  As we are getting closer to the draft guys like Haskins and Lock seem to be more in conversation that they could be there at 15.  Typically from what I recall the buzz tends to be QBs are going higher than initially expected when we get this close.  In this process, some of these QBs started in range of 15, then they got a lot of talk as being top 10 or even top 5.  Now its back to them being in the 10-18 range or so typically.

 

It could all be BS.  But its one weird dynamic from the past.  The exception I can think of was the 2011 draft where the QBs ended up higher than late mocks projected.  But even in that draft I recall Cam Newton going back and forth like a ping pong in mocks but as things got closer most projected him going really high.  Locker and Gabbert went higher than most expected.

 

Personally I hope they don't trade up.

 

 

 

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I think the 180 effect is because this is a weak QB group.  In early mock drafts the pundits persuaded themselves that teams would do what they normally do and fall in love with certain prospects and take them high but as we get closer to the event it is looking like for once the QB needy teams are going to be disciplined about their boards and not reach.  Of course it just takes one early surprise like the Raiders taking Haskins and it could trigger panic that will lead to wild trades to get in position for Lock and Jones but it is starting to look more likely that we will see someone do a Geno Smith and have to come back on day 2 to get picked.

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I would rather trade down and grab Grier in the 2nd, but I could be convinced to trade up with Denver for Haskins. That would be a swap of 1sts, and a 3rd. 

 

But only for Haskins 

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2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Don't know if there is anything to it but there is one 180 about this predraft process compared to what i recall in recent years.  As we are getting closer to the draft guys like Haskins and Lock seem to be more in conversation that they could be there at 15.  Typically from what I recall the buzz tends to be QBs are going higher than initially expected when we get this close.  In this process, some of these QBs started in range of 15, then they got a lot of talk as being top 10 or even top 5.  Now its back to them being in the 10-18 range or so typically.

 

It could all be BS.  But its one weird dynamic from the past.  The exception I can think of was the 2011 draft where the QBs ended up higher than late mocks projected.  But even in that draft I recall Cam Newton going back and forth like a ping pong in mocks but as things got closer most projected him going really high.  Locker and Gabbert went higher than most expected.

 

Personally I hope they don't trade up.

I HOPE the Skins let the draft come to them.  Whether they can sit back and be patient (Snyder) is another story.  If they can wait on their pick to be called at #15 they will have many options and I think a QB they like will be there.  There will probably be a couple.  The wise thing for them to do, IMO would be to work a trade for Rosen and get him w/o surrendering out 1st and then trade down and still get a player of impact in the 1st while gathering an a 2nd (if used in the Rosen trade) or an extra 3rd rounder +.

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48 minutes ago, RWJ said:

I HOPE the Skins let the draft come to them.  Whether they can sit back and be patient (Snyder) is another story.  If they can wait on their pick to be called at #15 they will have many options and I think a QB they like will be there.  There will probably be a couple.  The wise thing for them to do, IMO would be to work a trade for Rosen and get him w/o surrendering out 1st and then trade down and still get a player of impact in the 1st while gathering an a 2nd (if used in the Rosen trade) or an extra 3rd rounder +.

 

I am with you as for don't force a pick.  It's a deep draft IMO for their positions of need so exploit it to the hilt and don't give up draft picks.

 

Having said that if what's below is true then the Redskins two years in a row weren't given any Sunday Night games.    I've documented how national and local guys have talked about how the Redskins are becoming less relevant on the national stage in recent years and maybe some of that is bleeding into ticket sales and declining TV ratings.  And part of the narrative for them going for a QB (if true) is Dan wants a splash and QB is the natural spot to do it.  I guess will see. 

 

 

 

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I genuinely think trading up for a QB is the wrong kind of splash though, it is pretty clear from the comments here that we will be burning effigies of Dan and Bruce on draft night if they do that, particularly if it is a big move like going up to 3 in a trade with the Jets.  The adults in the room have to be letting Dan know that any of these guys is likely to struggle and a rookie QB means a probable 3 win season and reboot which is not going to do anything for the teams relevance or profile.  An offensive weapon like Hockenson or an EDGE like Burns is probably going to be more impactful and might do more to get people excited about watching the team again. 

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LOL the Redskins actually do really well on Sunday Night. Monday night is where we suck massive balls.

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Yes the less amount of primetime games the better.. a lot better chances that way..

The Skins are going to get this quarterback thing right and I'm telling you now that offensive line is going to stay solid all year and the Skins are going to have a double headed monster run us to the playoffs..top ten defense.. licking my chops with this schedule coming out.

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Yeah I echo the "don't force it" when it comes to this draft. Especially at the QB position.  Barring some kind of miracle way out of left field, I think we all have to accept that the QB situation in 2019 is going to be mediocre. Just the way it is.  The one thing you DO NOT WANT TO DO is force pick a QB with the first pick out of desperation for the sake of having "drafted a QB" and then they turn out to be middle of the road or worse.  That would just muck things up even worse. 

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Trade picks for Rosen, draft a Qb at 15, trade up for the 1st overall, or just stay put with a Case of Colt, in any way they do it in the end will hillariously backfire into another 4 to 8 win season. 

 

Browns will win 11+ for the 2nd time since the last time the Redskins have, guaranteed, even if it's not this season but years from now. 

 

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Trade 15 and Keemun to Arizona for Rosen and 33. 

 

Take WR, LG, Edge, TE with picks in R2+3. 

 

Rosen + Hollywood Brown + Lindstrom would be a nice “draft haul” if we could swing it. 

 

Arizona would want 15 to grab Ford or Williams or even go edge or DT. 15 is something I could see them valuing. If we can swap with 33 if puts us in the seeet spot for both IOL and WR with our first 2 picks. 

 

While we’d be removing ourselves from edge in r1 we could still go to that well in the 3rd and get a rush specialist to complement Anderson

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Listened to Keim's podcast today.  He said they like Rosen but aren't pining for him and there is a limit for what they'd give up.  If I understood Sheehan yesterday he said they don't have a first round grade on Rosen.    

 

 

 

 

 

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It's over, guys. No trade, no drafted QBs. We got our guy.

 

https://thefandc.radio.com/articles/redskins-extend-matt-ioannidis

 

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When announcing the Ioannidis signing the Redskins also revelaed they signed quarterback Josh Woodrum.

Woodrum last played in the AAF with the Salt Lake Stallions, making him the latest Washington signing out of the now defucnt football league. The 26-year-old QB does have some NFL experience, spending time with the Giants, Colts, Bears, Bills, Ravens, and Browns organziations.

 

You can close the thread now, it was an interesting run.

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7 hours ago, NickyJ said:

It's over, guys. No trade, no drafted QBs. We got our guy.

 

You can close the thread now, it was an interesting run.

 

Yep,  just wait til they see him in preseason - they'll be annointing him starter for the next decade, considering

his legacy is his NFL Preseason play.

 

Who is Josh Woodrum? Three facts about the former AAF and new Redskins QB

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/who-josh-woodrum-three-facts-about-former-aaf-and-new-redskins-qb

 

"With that being said, he did ball out for Baltimore in the 2017 exhibition portion.

Overall, he finished 25 of 36 for 321 yards and four total TDs"

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On 4/18/2019 at 3:50 AM, bakedtater1 said:

Yes the less amount of primetime games the better.. a lot better chances that way..

The Skins are going to get this quarterback thing right and I'm telling you now that offensive line is going to stay solid all year and the Skins are going to have a double headed monster run us to the playoffs..top ten defense.. licking my chops with this schedule coming out.

Typically it's a good bet to go against the major consensus.  When your opponents are all penciling in the W as they look at the new year schedule, I'm bullish.  Easy to see how this schedule would benefit the Skins for a fast start vs anything else currently available to evaluate.  It's far more likely for all these Alabama players to play well out of the gate vs any of those offenses being overtly consistent from the onset.  I view it as more likely for the Skins to have success at the first half of this schedule vs the last half.  As the last half has many more tangible factors towards any predictional accuracy. 

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On 4/18/2019 at 6:17 AM, JamesMadisonSkins said:

Trade 15 and Keemun to Arizona for Rosen and 33. 

 

Take WR, LG, Edge, TE with picks in R2+3. 

 

Rosen + Hollywood Brown + Lindstrom would be a nice “draft haul” if we could swing it. 

 

Arizona would want 15 to grab Ford or Williams or even go edge or DT. 15 is something I could see them valuing. If we can swap with 33 if puts us in the seeet spot for both IOL and WR with our first 2 picks. 

 

While we’d be removing ourselves from edge in r1 we could still go to that well in the 3rd and get a rush specialist to complement Anderson

That's a decent theory imo.  Taking Case was a good insurance pickup with a backside potential trade for Rosen.  Case also comes from the same Air Raid offensive school as They'll be using in AZ.  He makes a valuable backup for Kyler as well as a mentor at the pro level.  

Dont necessarily agree on the draft order of significance as an Edge Rusher and OL starter has much higher need then a rookie WR.  I view the Edge as the top priority and then the OL and WR down the line. The issue with WR is the learning curve as it will take 2 yrs to typically breakout as a Pro WR.  The Edge, OL, DL positions have more immediate starter ready rookies in rounds 1-3.

Therefor you kind of need all the others in place to normally target a WR in the 1st 3 rounds.  That's of course skewed when you have a WR as the highest graded player where your picking.  

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Haskins is the first in over 50 years to be 1st round worthy.  I don't think that should have anything to do with Haskins valuation.  That said, I don't think he will be there at 15 and I am definitely not in favor moving up to get him.

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1 hour ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

I don't want to move up either.

Something else to ponder, fwiw...

The last Redskins' QB to win the Super Bowl, we drafted in the 6th Round.

And also had the best OL at the time in the NFL.  

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1 hour ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

So, let's go heavy on OL in the first few rounds :)

I'd like to see two quality OL drafted.  One in the 2nd/early third then with our 1st 5th round pick or earlier if we trade down and acquire another 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick.

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