No Excuses Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 Wisconsin GOP has decided that their feelings and beliefs are more important than the voice of the voters: The GOP is a plague on this countries democratic system. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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No Excuses Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) Wisconsin state senate passed the measures. State assembly next. Shameful, disgraceful **** as usual for the GOP. A horribly gerrymandered legislature where the GOP lost majority of the votes but kept 2/3rd of the seats, passes legislation that strips powers from democratically elected Governor and AG to preserve their minority rule. Because they can no longer win elections by getting more votes, the GOP is actively transforming our politics by shredding democracy. Edited December 5, 2018 by No Excuses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Enemies of this nation. In every single sense of the word. Treat them as such. ~Bang 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 And yet dude been going on about Cali just counting votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) It turns out Paul Ryan is a terrible person. Who’d a thought Edited December 5, 2018 by tshile 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) I wonder what happens when a person with no spine gets hanged? ~Bang Edited December 5, 2018 by Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Instead of sudden death, one slowly chokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Don't expect the Times to accurately tackle the issue. It's been changed back to something resembling reality and not fake news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 17 hours ago, tshile said: It turns out Paul Ryan is a terrible person. Who’d a thought Once upon a time I was open to giving him a chance, those days are long gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) The GOP is a radically anti-democratic party, a trend that started in the scorched earth politics adopted in response to Obama. It doesnt stop here either unless a majority of the American population keeps punishing them at the ballot box (while it remains). Edited December 6, 2018 by No Excuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isifhan Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 23 minutes ago, No Excuses said: It doesnt stop here either unless a majority of the American population keeps punishing them at the ballot box (while it remains). Not a snide question but how exactly do you do that when everything is gerrymandered to ****? What is the way forward because the GOP got resoundingly slapped at the ballot box and they still have ways to usurp the will of the voter so what can be done? I was reading somewhere that the Gov could defund the legislature and make it so that they have a 0 salary if laws are enacted that go against the will of the people (my memory might be faulty here but I think that was the gist). Time to start bringing out some other things in the arsenal because obviously fair play is out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Well, you can't expect them to commit themselves to going against the voters before the election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 30 minutes ago, No Excuses said: The GOP is a radically anti-democratic party, a trend that started in the scorched earth politics adopted in response to Obama. It doesnt stop here either unless a majority of the American population keeps punishing them at the ballot box (while it remains). I dont understand how this is legal. But I assume it is. If we cant vote then out, and they control all the power, how does this get resolved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Llevron said: I dont understand how this is legal. But I assume it is. This how they worked around this: Michigan voters were going to have these referendums on the ballot box in November, and they were all expected to pass. So the GOP legislature went ahead and legislated the policies to prevent voters from backing them at the ballot. Now in the lame duck session, they are repealing the measures. Comically evil how they operate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 On the theme of comically evil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, No Excuses said: This how they worked around this: Michigan voters were going to have these referendums on the ballot box in November, and they were all expected to pass. So the GOP legislature went ahead and legislated the policies to prevent voters from backing them at the ballot. Now in the lame duck session, they are repealing the measures. Comically evil how they operate. Did the measures actually appear on the ballots, and get passed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 35 minutes ago, No Excuses said: On the theme of comically evil: Jesus Christ. They aren't even trying to hide being awful people anymore. This and the **** in Wisconsin goes way beyond a few bad apples taking their ball and going home because they lost a bunch of elections. This is systemic ant-democratic corruption. ****ing amazing that this stuff isn't an immediate national scandal. And of course Paul Ryan is silent on this and the stuff in NC. That dude has shown himself more than anyone to be a spineless piece of ****. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Larry said: Did the measures actually appear on the ballots, and get passed? They never appeared on the ballot since the GOP legislature enacted them through legislation rather than referendum. Anti-democratic nonsense now entering FL, where voters overwhelmingly voted to restore voting rights for felons. Trump is merely a tumor, albeit a large one, within the metastasis ravaging our democracy. Edited December 6, 2018 by No Excuses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Llevron said: If we cant vote then out, and they control all the power, how does this get resolved? Some would argue this is why we really have the 2nd amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 minute ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Some would argue this is why we really have the 2nd amendment. Bruh I ain’t even ready to think like that. But who can argue you? That’s exactly why it exists. 3 hours ago, No Excuses said: This how they worked around this: Michigan voters were going to have these referendums on the ballot box in November, and they were all expected to pass. So the GOP legislature went ahead and legislated the policies to prevent voters from backing them at the ballot. Now in the lame duck session, they are repealing the measures. Comically evil how they operate. The problem here is eduction. This is why I have always said republicans want you to be stupid. So they can do **** like this and people won’t understand it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) I think what we're seeing is essentially the flailing death rattle of an entity that knows it's dying but is desperately trying to hold on for a little bit longer. The GOP knows that the American people don't want what they're selling from a policy standpoint. They know that for the most part the country has rejected them on the social wedge issues. They know that any last vestiges of their ability to refocus and adapt were irreparably damaged by their decision to accept the virus that is Trumpism. What do they now have left? Stack the courts with right wing ideologues, gerrymander to hell and back, try to suppress minority voting as much as possible, and use as many dirty tricks and tactics in legislature as they can to bypass the will of the people. Oh, and apparently now use straight up vote fraud. Pretty disgusting. Edited December 6, 2018 by mistertim 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 32 minutes ago, mistertim said: I think what we're seeing is essentially the flailing death rattle of an entity that knows it's dying but is desperately trying to hold on for a little bit longer. The GOP knows that the American people don't want what they're selling from a policy standpoint. They know that for the most part the country has rejected them on the social wedge issues. They know that any last vestiges of their ability to refocus and adapt were irreparably damaged by their decision to accept the virus that is Trumpism. What do they now have left? Stack the courts with right wing ideologues, gerrymander to hell and back, try to suppress minority voting as much as possible, and use as many dirty tricks and tactics in legislature as they can to bypass the will of the people. Oh, and apparently now use straight up vote fraud. Pretty disgusting. The reality is the more they try to force things in this direction the harder the pendulum is going to swing the other way. The only place this **** works forever is places where they will kill you for standing up to them. And like Buzz alluded too, those places don’t have the ability to ****ing shot the people doing it like we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 I think we all know that the likelihood of an armed citizens' rebellion unseating this administration is nil. Many, many, many times more likely scenario is that our irresponsible attitude toward guns & the 2nd amendment leads to some good old fashioned domestic terrorism / mass shootings from nutjob Trump supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Sounds like liberals need to spend a little more time at the range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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