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      ES Coverage: Giants vs Redskins 
       
      12/9/18
       
      DEFEAT!!!
       
      Giants 40 - Redskins 16
       
      Greetings friends, JimmiJo here, and I am joined by my shivering partner, Spaceman Spiff. Together we will bring you this all important NFC East divisional matchup between the Washington Redskins and New York Giants.
       
      When I was last with you the Redskins had command of the division and there was optimism to spare. Since, devastating injuries to quarterbacks, linemen, and cornerbacks has left this team losers in 4-of-5 contests.
       
      But there is still everything to play for, and if they can manage a victory today and the Eagles to the same Washington will once again have a share of the lead.
       
      I can dream can't I?
       
      On paper, the future looks grim. A continued collapse will start the questions about the future of personnel and perhaps leadership. Yes, we can certainly point to injuries as the primary reason the team is struggling. But the record earlier in the year was masking some issues with the squad. No real arial threat. An inconsistent running game. And a defense that has been anything but consistent.
       
      But these are questions for another time. Today, it is just two teams looking for a win.
       
      See you at the half.
       
      Follow along on Twitter @Skinscast 
       
      Inactives
       
      The Redskins declared the following players as inactive:
      o   No. 12 QB Colt McCoy
      o   No. 32 RB Samaje Perine
      o   No. 46 RB Kapri Bibbs
      o   No. 52 LB Ryan Anderson
      o   No. 63 C Demetrius Rhaney
      o   No. 66 G Tony Bergstrom
      o   No. 99 DL Caleb Brantley
       
      JimmiJo
       
      I was happy to see players like Josh Johnson and Byron Marshall in the game. The marquee guys did not earn the right to play following the disastrous first half. It was historically bad.
       
      Never before had the Washington Redskins trailed by as much as the 34-0 deficit they entertained today at the half.
       
      I remarked to one of the writers that in 13-seasons I had never seen this team so outplayed as today. The offense led by Mark Sanchez was throw-up in mouth bad. At no point did you feel like they would or could score.
       
      I tweeted before the game that it is time for Daniel Snyder to replaced head coach Jay Gruden. Yes injuries are the headline. But the offense was poor before the injuries.
       
      No aerial threat and an inconsistent rushing. They only seemed to score 20-points per game.
       
      What they did do well was hold on to the ball. And the defense was a takeover machine the first half of the year.
      But turnovers tend to even out.
       
      So I was more than glad to see those ‘backups’ play. All they did was show they should have been playing in the first half.
       
      Especially Johnson. Take a look at your Redskins’ starter the rest of the way. From his first snap the offense looked different. There was energy. There was life.
       
      And there was threat.
       
      Johnson played with more command, accuracy and imagination than Mark Sanchez. He looked much more the accomplished quarterback.
       
      A word on Josh Doctson. You are an idiot. Without the stupid penalty you are not letting the safety out-position you to make the pick with 5-minutes left.
       
      Following this game, staring at the standings and considering possible scenarios for getting in the playoffs is fools’ gold. It is all about assessing who it worth keeping for next year.
       
      I don’t believe head coach Jay Gruden is going to make the list. Nor should he. He has had nore than enough time to do something here. He had Kirk Cousins’ starting over 3-full seasons.
       
      He had his chance.
       
      I tweeted before the game team owner Daniel Snyder should let Gruden go and bring in Mike McCarthy. Washington Post writer (and friend) Rick Snider made a great counterpoint to that idea:
       
      “Why would McCarthy want to come here? He has better options,” he said.
       
      That sure feels like the truth. And if so, it may explain why Gruden is fast becoming one of the most tenured coaches in the league.
       
      This was my last game for this season. I would like to thank Extremeskins and the team for the opportunity this year. I will see you guys next year.
       
      Let me go on the record now and say I do not think Jay Gruden's position here is secure. Not with the likes of Mike McCarthy available.
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247Sports: Josh Norman benched during Redskins' blowout loss

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Get skull ****ed on MNF

 

Get benched

 

Engage in Twitter battle with WR who just made you his **** on national TV

 

sounds like the Redskins

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Posted (edited)

Oops, sorry.  Wrong thread.

 

Norman sucks and is way overpaid.  I'm 54 and couldn't have done much worse than him last night.

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10 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Damn.  DHall on the Junkies...

 

”Josh seems more worried about being a celebrity than a football player”

Bingo!

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The only thing worse was hearing them praise Dunbar as our best corner... a CONVERTED wide receiver was it?

I wanted to throw up.  The Defense needs a dose of class, something like what we had when #28 Green or the guy we signed from Seattle a while back.  

We are terrible.

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12 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Damn.  DHall on the Junkies...

 

”Josh seems more worried about being a celebrity than a football player”

 

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1 hour ago, zoony said:

Get skull ****ed on MNF

 

Get benched

 

Engage in Twitter battle with WR who just made you his **** on national TV

 

sounds like the Redskins

 

Singling out one player as a scapegoat for a team wide performance of ****ting the bed and rolling around in it and smearing it on their faces.  Sounds like ES.

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5 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

Singling out one player as a scapegoat for a team wide performance of ****ting the bed and rolling around in it and smearing it on their faces.  Sounds like ES.

 

In fairness Ive been going around the horn calling all the players trash

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5 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

Singling out one player as a scapegoat for a team wide performance of ****ting the bed and rolling around in it and smearing it on their faces.  Sounds like ES.

 

With Josh, it’s more a culmination of what many of us have been saying for a while, followed by Josh engaging in Twitter beef after playing like trash, and deleting his comments thereafter.

 

I think most everyone knows the list is long for those who were trash last night.

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8 hours ago, dyst said:

Josh is a good corner, just not elite, at least for for us. That first year he was getting lots of pass deflections but each year since...his guy is more wide open. Time for him to go...”if we had a damn backup plan”.

Norman hasn’t been good for quite some time. He’s a competitor and a good leader, but he’s lost pretty much all ability to play man coverage. 

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3 minutes ago, zoony said:

 

In fairness Ive been going around the horn calling all the players trash

 

Good, everyone sucks.

 

 

1 minute ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

 

With Josh, it’s more a culmination of what many of us have been saying for a while, followed by Josh engaging in Twitter beef after playing like trash, and deleting his comments thereafter.

 

I think most everyone knows the list is long for those who were trash last night.

 

Yeah, he's not good.  No picks last year, very well might not have any this year.  

 

With his performance last night and then the twitter thing...I'm just not even surprised.  

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2 minutes ago, SkinssRvA said:

Norman hasn’t been good for quite some time. He’s a competitor and a good leader, but he’s lost pretty much all ability to play man coverage. 

This is my fault. You guys are right. I guess I was comparing him to our own previous corners, which he is better than...but yes in the grand scheme of NFL players, he is no where near where we need our corners to be.

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Forget about Norman, where the hell is pur help from draft picks the last 3 years?? Not one game changing highlight reel play from any of them....

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1 hour ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Damn.  DHall on the Junkies...

 

”Josh seems more worried about being a celebrity than a football player”

 

When Hall is calling out your commitment to the team......

 

It's like Terrel Owens commenting on your professionalism.

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"Cerebral assassin"? More like "Assasinated Cerebrum" the way he's playing out there. 

 

They need to change the name of Redskins Park to Redskins Shanty Town ... on account of all the bums inhabiting that dump.  

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It sucks because while we can debate whether Norman was ever worth the money the front office paid him, he wasn't bad the first couple of seasons.  He wasn't as good as we had hoped he would be, but this season he has just been downright bad.  I wonder if he has just hit a wall physically and just can no longer compete with NFL caliber WR's or if his head isn't into the grind of the NFL anymore?  This kind of reminds me of when the Eagles signed Nmandi Asomugha coming off some really good seasons and was instantly garbage.  Norman just took a couple of seasons to get there.

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4 hours ago, KDawg said:

I have no problem with benching Norman for performance.

 

But consistency is what makes or breaks locker rooms.

 

Why were Alex Smith and Montae Nicholson still playing? If I'm not mistaken, the play in question was the record breaker. Weren't the Saints in a trips look to that side of the field? Why would you play cover 3 to the trips side of a field?

 

Maybe I'm remembering the formation wrong, though.

 

I agree that consistency is important...but I'm also assuming this wasn't a benching simply for making a mistake. Context is important...

 

Nicholson made a horrible play that killed us. So did McPhee, though it wasn't a penalty but was a lack of fundamentals/discipline. But, to my knowledge those guys don't come the table running their ****ing mouths every 8 seconds. Maybe Gruden was sick of guys like Norman and Swearinger constantly yapping and less often making a positive play? Maybe Gruden had reason to believe that this evolving banter with Thomas was leading to Norman making mistakes or ignoring assignments on the field?

 

I don't care to know the details...as long as Gruden is our coach I actually LIKE to see him bench a players if it's warranted. I just don't think this was a benching because Norman made a mistake, there has to be more to it than that. 

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To the Skins' credit, when they start checking boxes on the "Lost Season" scorecard, they do it in a goddamn hurry. No need to watch the drama unfold week to week. It all happens over a Monday and Tuesday in Week 5.

 

We need a QB benching, a fake injury (Josh Doctson may have already done this), and a bad divisional loss where the players snipe at each other in the media afterwards.

 

 

I also don't think we ever truly appreciate what we lost when George Michael died in 2009. It's not nearly as easy to get the "Snyder is losing faith in _____" stories any longer.

 

 

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Not to compare Norman & ODBJr because at least ODB is performing on the field, however when it comes to a guy like Norman he is passionate but sometimes he just runs his mouth too much on the field.  If you are Gruden the last thing you want is for his antics & behavior to become a virus that spreads to other players.  The reason I bring up ODBjr is because now you see Sterling Shepeard acting like ODBJr Jr out there on the sideline throwing tantrums and arguing with coaches and I am willing to bet it can directly linked to ODB doing that stuff on the regular and getting zero consequences for it.

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A great example of why I like to stay away from large contracts on the open market. He's been a good player for us and overall good signing. But there comes a point in time where the contract doesnt match the play on the field.

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