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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       

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I'm tired of Charley Casserly's criticism

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I think he unfairly criticizes players on the Redskins.  He most recently said Josh Norman is the third best corner on the team.  He is very critical of D.J. Swearinger.  And when D.J. balls out, like he usually does.  Casserly keeps his mouth shut.  And according to him, Dunbar has been "solid."  For what Dunbar has been asked to do, I feel like he's been more than just adequate.  And it's not just the one's I've mentioned, he's criticized other players too.  He needs to eat crow.

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I mean, we do traditionally suck but to your point, Charlie seems kind of annoying.

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Charlie Casserly gives literally no depth to anything he says. I think I heard recently a video segment that he did on who on the team was playing well and it was the most useless analysis I've ever heard.

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Wait. One of the things you’re mad about is casserly calling one of our CBs solid? Sounds like a compliment ? there are plenty things to get mad at him about. That isn’t one of them ??‍♂️

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3 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

Wait. One of the things you’re mad about is casserly calling one of our CBs solid? Sounds like a compliment ? there are plenty things to get mad at him about. That isn’t one of them ??‍♂️



 

I'm upset because he's shortchanging him.

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5 minutes ago, Vanguard said:

 

I'm upset because he's shortchanging him.

Doesn’t solid mean good though? Which he has been. That’s not an insult or anything bad. 

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We all know his assessment of players' talents leaves falls somewhat short of the mark. We didn't need him to open his mouth to know that, though.

 

Still, no point getting mad. He's just doing what he's getting paid for.

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IMHO, he was catering to the crew of complainers that host 1067TheFan. That's how that show is designed to make money. 

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Josh Norman's reputation FAR outweighs his production.

Does anyone really think otherwise? He came to us with the rep of being one of,, if not THE best corner in the game. Do you see that? He collected a huge payday.  Have you seen a return on that investment like expected?

did anyone hear last week when in the pregame talk-up Charles Davis said Qbs were AFRAID to throw at him?

This is Davis who comes here and reads the press points and thinks they are accurate, and Norman's reputation says 'best corner".
Have you EVER seen a game in which a QB could be said to be afraid to throw at him?

He never fails to bite on a double move. he hasn't got very good make up speed... he goes for strips rather than tackles.

I won't rank him against our other corners, but he certainly is not what his rep says he is.

Interceptions? They don't exist. PDs barely happen. Passes get completed, though. Sometimes when a guy with a big rep has no picks or PDs it IS because Qbs avoid them. Not Josh. They don't avoid him. 

 

I guess some folks would rather be told everything is sugar plums,, even though you watch him trailing a WR with the ball too often for his supposed shut down status. If they traded him for a decent parcel of picks, i wouldn't mind. Cash in on that overblown rep.

 

~Bang

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47 minutes ago, Bang said:

Josh Norman's reputation FAR outweighs his production.

Does anyone really think otherwise?

 

I said this after his first season here and got ripped for it.  I pointed out that his play doesn't match his salary or all his on the field antics. If you and OBJ will take away from the game, every game they meet, with the same old side show act you better be a great player. Instead we have to watch all his antics and he just isn't that good.  

 

Now we have Charlie Casserly whose draft record is on par with Vinny Cerrato and he is the "expert analyst"  

 

 

Sincerely, 

 

Grumpy Old Man. 

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10 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

Now we have Charlie Casserly whose draft record is on par with Vinny Cerrato and he is the "expert analyst"  

 

 

Sincerely, 

 

Grumpy Old Man. 

 

Cerrato's might be actually better, draft wise.  Casserly missed on more #1's from what I recall than Cerrato. 

 

Yeah Casserly doesn't think much of our safeties, he's been on that for while.  He thinks both Swearinger and Nicholson are overrated - inconsistent, vulnerable to the pass.  He thinks its the achilles heel of the team.

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I think Norman’s play falls somewhere between what we paid him and our fans’ perception. He hasn’t played up to the paycheck but he’s better than most give him credit for. He’s not a shutdown guy. But he brings a lot to the table as a tackler, forces fubles and is around the ball and his leadership and worth ethic and the attitude he brings to the defense are all very welcome attributes. I get people’s concern with salary cap that drives this “need”to feel like players must play to their salary. That rarely ever happens. That’s not an excuse as much as it is me saying stop thinking only in terms of salary and just be happy we have Norman because he is a very good player and a valuable piece to our secondary. 

 

We have guys who’s whole job is to balance the cap. That’s why coaching and front office is so important in terms of scouting and developing young talent like Dunbar to play on cheaper contracts to balance it out. Norman has been a helpful piece and we need him right now but I think we all know he likely won’t finish his contract but definitely won’t be seeing a second rich one. I wish he was picking off passes left and right or shutting guys out but right now the defense is healthy and playing well and is one of the better pass defenses in the league. Hobbled or not, outside of one miscommunication leading to a long TD we held Rodgers to about 50 yards in the first half.  We held Bradford to a career low in passing yards in the first half. Indy had a solid game plan to scheme Hilton open underneath but we didn’t let anything over our heads that I remember. We aren’t perfect but I think too many guys feel we should be in order to deserve any credit at all. I think it’s healthy for our fans to have a bye week and watch other games to see that these other successful teams are not perfect either. 

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for the record, i always always always have a difficult time with guys in their 70s using hairpieces and dyes to try to look like they're 35.

You can't even face your own hair, and i am supposed to take your word for anything?

 

~Bang

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It’s mind boggling to me that he is still relevant and has spots on NFLN.

 

That said, most of the time I see him talking Skins, he’s saying nice things.

Saying Norman is playing like the 3rd best corner isn’t a great stretch.

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I kind of like Charlie. And he seems not the only one taking shots at Norman.  With high salary comes expectations, weekly.

 

But good for him, he has forged out a fine career in broadcasting. Not unlike the unheralded Mark May, among others.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Saying Norman is playing like the 3rd best corner isn’t a great stretch.

That could also means that our 1st and second best are freaking good.

 

Normal can't really lived to his status so far but he's not crappy at all. I've seen worst corners throughout the league. Even on this team.

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1 hour ago, moondog said:

I think Norman’s play falls somewhere between what we paid him and our fans’ perception. He hasn’t played up to the paycheck but he’s better than most give him credit for. He’s not a shutdown guy. But he brings a lot to the table as a tackler

Bruh ... we must be watching 2 different Josh Norman's.  The one I see is one of the worst tacklers on the team who lunges at guys or tries to punch the ball out and misses, rather than wrapping up to get the guy down.

 

I have no problem with Charlie.  I like listening to him and think he just tells it how it is.  This team is perennial mediocore/bad so it's not a stretch to hear people criticize people on the team.

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Just now, Wildbunny said:

That could also means that our 1st and second best are freaking good.

 

Normal can't really lived to his status so far but he's not crappy at all. I've seen worst corners throughout the league. Even on this team.

 

Hes not one of the worst - no, but he really hasn’t done much of anything here.

 

I love Josh’s story of how he got to the league and he was so nice and genuine when I met him with my family.  Made my wife want to buy his jersey and did.

 

But I’d be lying if I said he appears to be worth even half what he’s been making.  He’s been on the other end of big plays and not making enough of them, really any since 2016. 

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I've always thought he's been overly positive about the redskins.  I guess with your sample size, he seems to be not as positive with the secondary.  However, as a whole he's been overly positive.

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The thing about Norman is, when you pluck a solid player out of a great system, it is hard for them to replicate their success on a new team if the overall defense is lesser.  Carolina had a monster defense when Norman played there.  Carolina's front office took the bet that they'd rather replace one piece, even if that piece was solid rather than pay someone so much that it could lead to the break up of the defense.

 

I haven't been following Fuller too much on the Chiefs, but their defense overall is pretty bad.  Fuller was a rising star on this team as a slot corner.  How is he doing in KC? 

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I’m a little confused by the Norman bashing.... I watch all the games like most people here and I guess I’m just not seeing what others are seeing. I’d agree he isn’t a “shut down” corner in the mold of Deion in his prime or even a guy like Jalen Ramsey now—- but he doesn’t give up much either and QBs DO NOT Challenge him often. Most games I see very few instances of him being targeted in one on one coverage. As a matter of fact, in three games this year I can only really recall two plays where I feel he got flat beat... one was a crossing route by Hilton against Indy where he trailed and didn’t get there. The other one was on a play where Rodgers scrambled and threw a dart on the money to a sliding WR for a first down— Norman was the corner in coverage. I think he’s still performing at a pro bowl level. You see how badly so many CBs are getting torched this year? I still think Norman is upper echelon. 

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Add that missed tackle in the endzone for a safety against the Colts.

He did read the play. Reacted to it accordingly. Got into position for the safety.

 

 

 

 

 

And he fizzle on it...

Unforgivable.

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