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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       

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5 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

I'm not a mod (you can tell because I bathe regularly), but I suggest we move the name debate elsewhere.

I agree with the showering dandy, the name change debate does belong elsewhere.  If you'd like to discuss it do so here:

 

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18 minutes ago, Destino said:

 the showering dandy

That might be the funniest thing I've read all day. :ols:

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1 hour ago, Spearfeather said:

 

You just didn't like the results, but like I said ....

 

 

Last thing I’m gonna say about this before it gets too political: They handpicked native Americans to poll, and never identified the exact demographics of them. 

 

What you and I feel doesn’t matter. If there are a significant amount of people who want it changed then it should for the purpose of moving on.

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7 minutes ago, JoggingGod said:

Last thing I’m gonna say about this before it gets too political: They handpicked native Americans to poll, and never identified the exact demographics of them. 

 

What you and I feel doesn’t matter. If there are a significant amount of people who want it changed then it should for the purpose of moving on.

 

All false, and I won't be responding to you anymore in this thread, or joining you in the other thread.

 

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On 9/19/2018 at 6:35 PM, Unbias said:

 

NFL revenue was around $8 Billion last year. Between 2014 and 2022 CBS, NBC and Fox have committed to spend $39.6B on the NFL, so let's say ~$5B of the $8B came from TV revenue.

 

The big wild card will be sports gambling. We will soon see the NFL directly make money off of betting. The illegal market is estimated to be over $100B annually, so if they make 2-3% of that what will teams care if stadiums are empty? 

 

At $250/ticket you have 70,000 seats and 8 games. That's $140M, but there's added revenue from parking, merchandise and food sales. Let's say a team can make an additional $250M a season by selling out. That's fine, but they can sit back, do nothing and just let the shared revenue contracts pay they way more annually. 

The NFL ratings have been in decline for 2 years now.  Football will still be here but it is becoming less popular.  Part of that is the anthem controversy. Part of that is people simply not going to want to play football anymore; giving all the health risks associated with playing the sport. Also, the NFL is overexposed. Negotiations for that next TV contract will start in a couple of years. Also, there is going to be a labor stoppage when the current agreement expires in 2021, I think.  THE NFL won't be able to get the same amount of TV money next time around.  Maybe gambling makes up that?   I think the sport of football is in permanent decline and eventually, they won't be making these high dollar amounts they do now.

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On 9/19/2018 at 9:54 PM, hail2skins said:

Ed, I agree that its too early to predict how this season is going to go. But I think there's a sense that once again this team is probably NOT going to have that breakthrough 11-5 or better season in 2018.....at least the loss to the Colts really dampened confidence in its possibilities.  For many, I think going 8-8 this season is worse than 2-14 at this point. 

8-8 is the ceiling for this team and for all you expecting better than that, are deluding themselves.

 

We have 3 years of history to know what to realistically expect from a Gruden coached team.

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Since Snyder has become owner these 4 teams have been the most consistently successful:

 

1.  Patriots-  5-3 in Superbowls

2.  Colts- 1-1 in Superbowls during the Manning era and made the playoffs the first 3 years of the Luck era.

3.  Steelers - 2-1 in Superbowls.   At one point Cowher was on shakey ground, having missed playoffs for 2 years. He rebounded and won a Superbowl before he retired.  Tomlin is 1-1 though it looks like his era is in a rough patch and he could be losing the team.

4.  Packers - Regular playoff team and 1-0 in Superbowls.

 

 

Snyder has had 2 horrible coaches: Spurrier and Zorn.  The more longer tenured coaches under Snyder have had 4-5 years.   Maybe you get a playoff birth or maybe two.    You will never get a consistent winner under Snyder.   We are now entering the phase were we will see the Gruden era come to a close and then rinse and repeat.  A new coach and another 4-5 years.  Rinse and repeat.  MAybe a playoff birth or two.   That's all it will be under Snyder.   The only way we win a Superbowl under him, is a fluke.  A Skins team gets hot, in a down year in the NFC and rides that; all the way to a Superbowl win.

 

If you are looking for consistently winning football, go find another team.  All you are going to get out of Snyder is an occasional playoff birth and a new coach every 4-5 years; unless he hires a real stinker.   The next coach will either be a stinker in the Spurrier/Zorn mode or more likely a big name college coach.   Big name is next up on the Snyder hiring cycle.

 

Rinse and repeat.  Don't expect much, EVER from a Snyder team.  You will be fooling yourself.

 

 

 

 

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The thing that sucks about all of this is that no coach is going to want to come here because they’d be stuck with mediocre-ass Alex Smith for the next 2 seasons. Had we had Josh Allen or Rosen it would have been a selling point; a young talented QB to work with. But it’s likely nobody is going to want to work with Alex Smith because of how limited he is.

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9 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said:

8-8 is the ceiling for this team and for all you expecting better than that, are deluding themselves.

 

We have 3 years of history to know what to realistically expect from a Gruden coached team.

I think your right mate with your 8-8 prediction, which is why I would have gone with McCoy this year. I believe McCoy could have got us 6 wins which is not much different from what we believe Smith will give us and we would have $18m more cap space as well.

 

HTTR 

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8 hours ago, JoggingGod said:

The thing that sucks about all of this is that no coach is going to want to come here because they’d be stuck with mediocre-ass Alex Smith for the next 2 seasons. Had we had Josh Allen or Rosen it would have been a selling point; a young talented QB to work with. But it’s likely nobody is going to want to work with Alex Smith because of how limited he is.

We don't need a coach, we need to focus on the draft and adding playmakers.  We have none.  

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On ‎9‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 8:23 PM, Rufus T Firefly said:

I'm not a mod (you can tell because I bathe regularly), but I suggest we move the name debate elsewhere.

 

Why does the image of Joe Dirt washing off after the septic tank accident come to mind?

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The point Brewer makes below is typically on the money. I think Bruce-Dan are a debacle.  but as for Jay, I think we are jumping the gun killing him, lets see more of the season IMO. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/the-redskins-were-good-then-they-were-bad-and-recent-history-makes-it-all-feel-bigger/2018/09/21/c95110c2-bdd3-11e8-b7d2-0773aa1e33da_story.html?utm_term=.9a8b2e7bde02

On Sunday, the crowd will be a story again because Green Bay fans travel as well as anyone in sports, and if Washington doesn’t play well, they will be much louder than the Indianapolis Colts fans whose cheers stood out late in the game last week. But this is what happens when a franchise both loses and humiliates itself with drama and dysfunction over a long period of time. If the organization is finally serious about making a correction, there is no shame in admitting the truth and opening the curtains during the transformation.

Of course, the big picture doesn’t exactly concern the current team. It just wants a win to erase the negativity of that 21-9 loss to Indianapolis. The schedule is getting tougher: The next three opponents (Green Bay, New Orleans and Carolina) have playoff track records and superior overall talent. There’s a legitimate risk of a slow start that would turn the job statuses of Coach Jay Gruden and President Bruce Allen into huge stories. But Gruden has done some of his best work during tense times. And while you know the team’s awful modern history, this season is young, and this 1-1 team has one dominant performance on its résumé. Every low makes the conversation turn dire around here. But it’s laughable to panic at this point.

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On ‎9‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 9:38 AM, Bigmuss1 said:

So most of your points in your post I agree with, however, how does it relate to anything I mentioned in my post?  If Jordan Reed doesn’t fumble the score is most likely closer than it was.  I simply stated, what if the Colts are good????  I know your opinion is quite clear you don’t think they are, ok, I hear you, BUT what if they are??  What if they beat the Eagles on the road too?  That’s all I said.....some of you are already making excuses for the Eagles losing cuz Wentz is not healthy.  If the Colts lose, great, everyone can go on and on about how terrible the Redskin Organization is, BUT, what if they win?

 

enjoy.......

 

 I hear ya, the Colts have a chance to beat anyone, just as every other team has that chance to beat their opponent on any given sunday.

 

If the Colts completely shut down the Eagles, then there can be that moment of pause where everyone says 'wow the Colts look to be on a mission'.

Whether they win or not remains to be seen. If they win, I don't see them shutting down the Eagles [ as much as I'd like to see that ] maybe in the 27-23 area, but I can also see the Eagles not making the same mistakes the Redskins made and win by 31-23.

 

Winning induces confidence, even if a little, its a good feeling, and many coaches use that emotion to rally their players and prepare them for the next week which would be a much harder challenge, and the players usually respond. What we all saw last sunday was a flat, slow-footed, bumbling at times team that appeared all they had to do was walk on the field and the opponent would wet themselves. This is an area where Gruden is not good at; he's not a mental genius. He gets caught off guard and has a difficult time adjusting, even HE admitted to not adjusting until late in the 3rd qtr which is way too late because the team is being embarrassed on-field.

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50 minutes ago, skinfan2k said:

We don't need a coach, we need to focus on the draft and adding playmakers.  We have none.  

 

We need a new FO, and a new NC. And playmakers. We need a lot.

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24 minutes ago, Morneblade said:

 

We need a new FO, and a new NC. And playmakers. We need a lot.

True. But what’s an NC? A nefensive Coordinator? An noffensivecl coordinator? A new new coach? ??? 

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This team is going to struggle and nobody cares.  It's all about the $$$ for the owner and the FO.  How much can we get from the fans by buying jerseys, food, beer, or anything Skins related.  Not paying for your own and letting the guys them walk and paying for others that put up numbers for other organizations.  This has been the case since 1999.  Wash, rinse, and repeat.

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3 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

True. But what’s an NC? A nefensive Coordinator? An noffensivecl coordinator? A new new coach? ??? 

 

N, for Not being awake and can't type coach. :rofl89:

 

Was supposed to be HC, ;)

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33 minutes ago, zoony said:

Just kidding guys!

 

 

I think I was wrong, too, at least on whether this was a playoff roster.  Most of the players on defense are above average and we got 4 sacks from our dline running a 3-4.  

 

My mom yelling at Fox to talk about the Skins more.  

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