inmate running the asylum Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 See what happens when your starters don't perform to expectations under Parcells. Are you listening Spurrier? :laugh: Didnt that swabbie -- NavyDave -- want us to draft Andre Gurode a couple years back? :laugh: Cowboys | Ekuban Demoted - from www.KFFL.com Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:48:52 -0800 Updating previous reports, Dallas Cowboys DL Ebenezer Ekuban has been demoted to second string behind DL Eric Ogbogu. Ekuban has not been very productive as a starter, forcing head coach Bill Parcells to recently tinker with the defensive line. Cowboys | Gurode Replaced by Young - from www.KFFL.com Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:46:22 -0800 Updating previous reports, Dallas Cowboys OG Andre Gurode was replaced by OT Ryan Young in Sunday's, Dec. 7, game against the Philadelphia Eagles. Gurode, who leads all Cowboys' offensive linemen with seven penalties, will likely serve as Young's backup for the immediate future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Wow, hopefully they are nervous when they play the Skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Anyone else still wishing we'd drafted Gurode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Originally posted by inmate running the asylum Gurode, who leads all Cowboys' offensive linemen with seven penalties, will likely serve as Young's backup for the immediate future. Only 7 penalties? He'd fit in fine with our O-Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 And now you know the difference between Parcells and Spurrier. Now you know why you hear time and again that Spurrier's threats to the players about demotions or being cut is falling on deaf ears. Now you know why those same threats don't fall on deaf ears with a Parcells team. Take Ade Jimoh for example. He's a guy with a lot of promise. Not NEARLY as much promise as Derek Ross. Ross doesn't do what Parcells wants, and he gets cut. Jimoh screws up for us and Spurrier openly is quoted as wishing he can make a good play for us one day. You CUT HIM. You bench players like Trotter, as an example, who missed assignments and cost us plays. You MAKE these sorts of moves and the guys pay much better attention to you. They may resent you but they won't ignore you. Right now they may actually have both feelings for Spurrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Originally posted by OURYEAR#56 :dallasuck exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 As for Gurode, he was drafted by the Cowboys and immediately assigned the status of a Pro Bowler. He's now benched which must mean he's going straight to the Hall of Fame . I thought Gurode was horrible last year and especially so against us. I guess some of it is carrying over to this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Too bad we drafted Skip Hicks ahead of Ahman Green a while back......Good F*ing Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryman of the North Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 YEAH ME! Just because gurode hasnt fit in Dallas doesnt mena he wont fit here! with a little caoching he could be a pretty decent guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Originally posted by inmate running the asylum See what happens when your starters don't perform to expectations under Parcells. Are you listening Spurrier? :laugh: Yeah, I hope Spurrier is listening. Because that method has so far produced 2 blowouts in a row (about to be a third), and they are on the verge of losing their once all but certain playoff spot. So please Spurrier look and learn! Never do that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Just get the god damn blocking assignments down, remember the snap count, and get just a little more pass rush on defense...and its all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridironmike Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 But what will it actually mean if they are benched for a series or two and then put back in the game? Not much of a lesson, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted December 9, 2003 Author Share Posted December 9, 2003 Gridironmike, Parcells doesn't bench you for a series or two. Its more like a game or two. Then if you still don't get the message "My way or the highway," he dumps you like Derek Ross. :laugh: Even guys like Keshawn and Terry Glenn got the message under Parcells. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 dont you mean Meshawn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeypeet Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Just because gurode hasnt fit in Dallas doesnt mena he wont fit here! with a little caoching he could be a pretty decent guard. And I suppose he will get a whole bunch of that "good coaching" here with Helton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Skins24, The Cowboys are 8-5. As they slip, Parcells increases the heat. This could backfire. They could quit on him and finish 8-8 and resent him. And then he'll cut those guys and get guys who'll do what he wants. That's why Parcells succeeds. If you can't perform under his scrutiny, then you can't perform under playoff scrutiny. And he can win with guys who do what they are supposed to. They don't have to be the most talented. Gibbs was very much like this in terms of winning with less talent than others may have had. Though Gibbs did it differently and was a much better tactician than Parcells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridironmike Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Guys, please don't make Parcells out to be a football god. He is good, but its not like he invented benching a player. Big whoop! Did you ever think he benched these guys because the "other" players were/are better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Mike, Parcells has the WILL to bench a player. If the "other" players were/are better, they would have been starting long ago. That they've been reserve players -- or in the case of Young, a tackle who's being moved inside -- tells you what you need to know about their relative status compared to the guys that are now sitting. No, Parcells isn't the first coach to bench players. Or cut players. But, there's a reason he's considered to be a coach capable of teaching a team how to win football games. This is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridironmike Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 You don't share the same opinion of Spurrier "capable of teaching a team how to win football games?" His methods may be different, but does that make them wrong. He treats these guys like responsible adults and doesn't expect to have to coddle them or treat them like high schoolers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 wtf this guys are bums...its not like he benched roy williams or the entire offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Mike, That would all be well and good if Spurrier himself hasn't already said he probably has to treat the guys with a bit more of his past demanding demeanor. We don't have a team of blue collar guys. We have a team full of a bunch of guys getting paid HUGE coin and other guys who want it and we have a whole lot of chiefs and not enough Indians. Not that we need a style like Marty's to win because we know this team has a lot of heart and fight to it as it simply doesn't quit down the stretch of very inconsequential games the last three years. But, this team needs, sometimes, to have something on the line and to believe that Spurrier will take what he can from them. I don't know that I believe Spurrier is capable of teaching a team how to win football games. I think Spurrier is capable of leading a winning team. I think he's capable of getting the offense going and making us difficult to beat. But, I don't know whether that's the same as teaching a team how to win. Spurrier still makes FAR too many mistakes to seriously be said to have that trait. Hell, at the end of the first half on Sunday, did you see that Spurrier actually ran another running play? Why would he do something that stupid? The clock was going to run out. We wanted it to run out. We didn't need to snap the ball at all. And if we decided we just had to, why didn't we take a knee? Why did Spurrier allow the running back to get the ball and have even the slightest possibility of a fumble return for a touchdown? This is not the trait of a coach who fully appreciates the nuance required to win. It was an unnecessary chance that could well have backfired and hurt us. Spurrier's strength doesn't come from his overriding ability to coax guys into cohesion. It comes from the promise (thusfar unrealized for the most part) of a well executed and wide open offense that the opposition can't stop on a regular basis. Mike Martz is an example of a coach with similar strengths. He's not a coach capable of teaching a team how to win. Though, he has won. I think there's a difference between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowghost Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Art that play at the end of the half bothered me also. Kneel down, how hard is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 there is no perfect coaching style. You have to do what works for you and your players respond to. Vermils uses hugs and tears he is 11-2, Dungy uses quiet calm he is 10-3, Bellichek uses the studious hands on teaching 11-2, Haslett coaches simular to Parcells in the way he handles players yet his teams fade at the end and are 6-7 every player, team, coach, and situation is different. Spurrier has made mistakes and seems to have learned from some. But he must doing somethings right, the team is still playing hard, many players openly support or defend him, and many problem areas have shown improvement throughout the year....... even if it doesn't show directly in the win column right now. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted December 9, 2003 Author Share Posted December 9, 2003 Originally posted by Art I don't know that I believe Spurrier is capable of teaching a team how to win football games. Spurrier still makes FAR too many mistakes to seriously be said to have that trait. I agree Art. But I think a better example was at the beginning of the game. The Skins have 1st and goal on the 1 yard line. With the team's record at 4-8 and nothing to lose, I would have called 4 straight running plays if necessary to smash the ball over the goalline. If you can't make it into the endzone from the 1 yard line on 4 running plays, you don't deserve to win. So what does Spurrier do? The first two attempts at running gain nothing. Then he calls a friggin pass play on 3rd down and Hasselbeck gets sacked for a 10 yard loss. Now on 4th down you have no choice really, but to kick the field goal. I mean 1st and goal from the 1 yard line and all we come away with is 3 points? :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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