2019 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[bowhunter]

2 hours ago, HigSkin said:

Which QB's are "super smart" as Joe Gibbs used to say and who's not.  LOL

 

 

Will Grier - 30

and for those curious 2018 Josh Rosen - 29

[volsmet]

9 minutes ago, bowhunter said:

Will Grier - 30

and for those curious 2018 Josh Rosen - 29

 

This gives me the opportunity to say, Will Grier is absolute trash.

 

If a team drafts him for a pick that could have landed Rosen, everyone involved should be put in an institution. I’d feel unsafe around any human that preferred Will Grier to Josh Rosen. 

 

[volsmet]

My dude Carl Granderson vs The Incredible Hock.

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

PFF's grading of the pass rushers for those curious

[Skinsinparadise]

This is the 2nd time I've heard as for a mid round type they like Thorson.  If I recall Volsmet likes him, too.  Personally, if they are skipping a QB early and are taking a QB no matter what, I'd rather them take one in the 4th-5th round range than the 2nd-3rd.  IMO you can get some really good players in the 2nd-3rd and I'd rather not waste them on a flier at QB. 

 

 

 

[bowhunter]

40 minutes ago, volsmet said:

 

This gives me the opportunity to say, Will Grier is absolute trash.

 

If a team drafts him for a pick that could have landed Rosen, everyone involved should be put in an institution. I’d feel unsafe around any human that preferred Will Grier to Josh Rosen. 

 

Yep, I know your stance on Grier and respect it. The point was to include other possible candidates and not to suggest that 1 Wonderlic point was significant. I like Rosen over Grier but not by much. I'd be happy with either on our team if the cost does not involve a first rounder.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

Albert Breer from a little while ago

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/22/nfl-draft-2019-news-rumors-trades-panthers-texans-lions-dwayne-haskins?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=themmqb

 

2. Two of the teams that I’ve heard most often as candidates open to trading up—Carolina (No. 16) and Houston (No. 23)—wouldn’t be going up for quarterbacks. In all likelihood, it’d be a move to get one of the top three tackles. Each has been very present in that market on the scouting trail over the last three months, and the dropoff from the first cluster (Alabama’s Jonah Williams, Florida’s Jawaan Taylor, Washington State’s Andre Dillard) to the second (Alabama State’s Tytus Howard, Ole Miss’ Greg Little) leaves both teams in a bit of a no man’s land, drafting too low for the former and too high for the latter. So both could move up or, failing that, move down.

 

...4. Speaking of the quarterbacks, of late, Ohio State’s Dwayne Haskins has been linked to more teams than he was a couple weeks ago. You’ve heard on the Giants, Redskins, and Bengals. I’d also throw the Raiders in that mix, as a possibility.

 

...7. We mentioned it before, but it’s worth reiterating: I’m told the Giants, Redskins, Chargers and Dolphins all did touch base with the Cardinals on Josh Rosen, so Arizona has an idea on teams interested, if it does come to trading him. I imagine that would have to happen ahead of the first round, since after that, Jones, Haskins and Missouri’s Drew Lock will be on rosters, taking potential suitors out of the mix.

[volsmet]

5 minutes ago, bowhunter said:

Yep, I know your stance on Grier and respect it. The point was to include other possible candidates and not to suggest that 1 Wonderlic point was significant. I like Rosen over Grier but not by much. I'd be happy with either on our team if the cost does not involve a first rounder.

 

I didn’t, in any way, intend for that to be any sort of rebuke v the facts you shared, I’m just bonus level amped as the draft nears, the pressure is on again & it’s 

7 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

 

Scoring a 9 on the wonderlick should be impossible for a mammal.

 

2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Albert Breer from a little while ago

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/22/nfl-draft-2019-news-rumors-trades-panthers-texans-lions-dwayne-haskins?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=themmqb

 

2. Two of the teams that I’ve heard most often as candidates open to trading up—Carolina (No. 16) and Houston (No. 23)—wouldn’t be going up for quarterbacks. In all likelihood, it’d be a move to get one of the top three tackles. Each has been very present in that market on the scouting trail over the last three months, and the dropoff from the first cluster (Alabama’s Jonah Williams, Florida’s Jawaan Taylor, Washington State’s Andre Dillard) to the second (Alabama State’s Tytus Howard, Ole Miss’ Greg Little) leaves both teams in a bit of a no man’s land, drafting too low for the former and too high for the latter. So both could move up or, failing that, move down.

 

 

Carolina loves Steve’s guy, Dillard.

[Skinsinparadise]

4 minutes ago, volsmet said:

 

 

Scoring a 9 on the wonderlick should be impossible for a mammal.

 

 

Yeah it doesn't help Gary's reputation for being  an under achiever 😀

[volsmet]

6 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah it doesn't help Gary's reputation for being  an under achiever 😀

 

I think you can find examples online, the average among this group would be over 35, easily.

[Skinsinparadise]

DJ just did his final 100, here is the first 18.  If I recall among the mock draft media guys he is one of the only ones who was a scout. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001027342/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-100-prospects-for-2019-nfl-draft

 

RANK

1

Nick Bosa, Edge

 

School: Ohio State | Year: Junior 
Previous rank: 1 

Bosa has an ideal frame for a 4-3 DE, and he is consistently disruptive in every game I've studied. As a pass rusher, he can win with quickness, power and a variety of hand moves. He often incorporates the same swipe/rip/flatten move that his brother, Joey, has mastered. Nick can convert speed to power, and he also flashes some ability to slide inside and rush over the guard. He is stout at the point of attack against the run, and he's quick to locate and pursue the football. There are some durability concerns after he underwent season-ending core-muscle surgery this past fall. Bosa isn't as big as his older brother, but I expect similar dominance and production at the NFL level.

 

 

RANK

2

Quinnen Williams, DT

 

School: Alabama | Year: Sophomore (RS) 
Previous rank: 2 

Williams has good size for the position and possesses a rare combination of suddenness, strength and football intelligence. He moved up and down the line of scrimmage in Alabama's defense and was effective at every spot. As a pass rusher, he explodes off the ball, maintains leverage and pushes his opponent into the lap of the quarterback. He also uses a violent club/swim move. Williams is constantly double-teamed, but he still finds a way to generate pressures and sacks. Against the run, he plays with a low pad level, locks his hands inside and violently sheds blocks to pursue the ball carrier. Overall, this is a dominant player who's capable of emerging as a premier interior defensive lineman very early in his NFL career.

 

 

RANK

3

Josh Allen, Edge

 

School: Kentucky | Year: Senior 
Previous rank: 3 

Allen is a tall, long edge player with tremendous agility, versatility and production. As a pass rusher, he wins with speed, bend and a nifty inside counter move. He doesn't possess a lot of power, but he makes up for it with his Gumby-like flexibility at the top of his rush. Against the run, he uses his length to set the edge, and he's a blur closing from the back side. Allen is a huge asset in coverage, providing the athletic ability to mirror backs and tight ends all over the field. Overall, the Kentucky product possesses an ideal skill set for today's game: He can run, rush and cover.

 

 

RANK 4

 

T.J. Hockenson, TE

School: Iowa | Year: Sophomore (RS) 
Previous rank: 5 

Hockenson is a fun player to watch. In the passing game, he fights through press coverage and will stair-step defenders (fights through pass coverage and understands how to attack the leverage of defenders) down the field, helping to create some separation on crossers and deep-over routes. He tracks the ball naturally, and his high-point skills are on display in the red zone. He is very physical after the catch and possesses adequate speed. Hockenson is at his best in the run game. He rag-dolls defensive ends and linebackers. He had multiple pancake blocks in every game I studied. Overall, Hockenson is one of the best blocking tight ends I've ever evaluated, and he is dependable in the passing game. He's a Day 1 impact player at the next level.

 

 

RANK 5

Ed Oliver, DT

 

School: Houston | Year: Junior 
Previous rank: 4 

Oliver is an undersized interior lineman with exceptional twitch and pass-rush potential. He primarily lined up over the center, but he did move around a bit in Houston's defense. Against the pass, he has an explosive first step and outstanding change-of-direction quickness. He is quick to shoot his hands, but he needs to develop a better game plan once engaged. Oliver was constantly slanting in Houston's defensive scheme, and that led to quick wins versus both the run and pass. His lack of size and length does show up in the run game -- he gets swallowed up at times. His effort is excellent, despite facing constant double-teams. Overall, Oliver isn't as powerful or polished as the Rams' Aaron Donald was entering the NFL, but he has similar athleticism and should be a disruptive force for the team that drafts him.

 

 

RANK 6

Devin White, LB

 

School: LSU | Year: Junior 
Previous rank: 6 

White has a thick, sturdy frame and possesses prototypical explosiveness and playmaking skills. Against the pass, he has the speed and agility to cover TEs down the field, and he closes space in a hurry when he's in zone coverage. He has timing and burst as a blitzer. He wins the majority of his 1-on-1s versus running backs in pass protection. Against the run, White brings sideline-to-sideline range, but he will get stuck on blocks once engaged. He has good (but not great) instincts to key/read. However, even when he's a half count late, he makes up for it with his play speed. He is an outstanding, chest-up tackler. Overall, White has what teams are looking for at the position: The ability to run, cover and blitz.

 

 

RANK

7

Christian Wilkins, DT

 

School: Clemson | Year: Senior 
Previous rank: 7 

Wilkins has solid size (6-foot-3, 315 pounds) for the position, and he's been a disruptive presence along the Clemson line throughout his career. Against the pass, he has quick feet and hands, which allow him to routinely win early in the down. He's at his best when slanting and working through the edges of blockers. He isn't a powerful bull rusher. Against the run, he is much better on the back side. He relies on quickness to slip blocks and does a good job of avoiding cut blocks. On the front side, he'll occasionally get too high -- and consequently get turned and dumped. Overall, Wilkins has upside as a pass rusher and penetrator, but you'll have to live with some deficiencies at the point of attack.

 

 

RANK

8

Josh Jacobs, RB

 

School: Alabama | Year: Junior 
Previous rank: 8 

Jacobs is one of my favorite players to study in this draft class. He has a thick, compact build, and I love his combination of power, elusiveness and versatility. In the run game, he possesses excellent vision, burst and wiggle. His change-of-direction quickness is off the charts. He runs low to the ground and powers through tacklers in every game I studied. Jacobs has the speed to get to the perimeter -- he's a weapon when lined up as a QB in the Wildcat and when he's used on fly sweeps from the slot. In the passing game, Jacobs runs crisp routes and possesses natural hands; he's a make-you-miss specialist in space. He does need to improve in pass protection. He must come to balance as a blocker and avoid lunging at blitzers. Overall, Jacobs is a special talent, and his light workload at Alabama (251 carries in three seasons) should be viewed as a positive, not a negative.

 

 

RANK

9

Devin Bush, LB

 

School: Michigan | Year: Junior 
Previous rank: 9 

Bush is a little undersized for the position (5-11, 234 pounds), but he makes up for it with instincts, twitch and production. He's excellent as a zone dropper against the pass -- quick to key routes and get a jump on the ball. In man coverage, he has the speed to run with tight ends and running backs, but he gets a little too grabby down the field. He is an excellent blitzer, using a dip/rip move to defeat running backs. Bush really excels in the run game. He is quick to identify, fill and chest up runners. He is also capable of shocking and shedding guards when they work up to the second level. He has a high batting average as a tackler and provides some huge hits. Overall, Bush is a three-down linebacker, and he'll provide the team that drafts him with a physical presence.

 

 

RANK

10

Rashan Gary, Edge

 

School: Michigan | Year: Junior 
Previous rank: 10 

Gary is a freak. He has a unique blend of size, speed, explosiveness and power. Unfortunately, it doesn't always translate to production. As a pass rusher, he has a dynamic get-off and flashes the power to bull through OTs with only one arm extended. However, he lacks complementary moves and stalls at the top of his rush far too often. Against the run, he destroys TEs on the edge with pure strength and power. However, he will bury his head and fail to locate the football at times. His athleticism is on display in coverage, where I've seen him run and mirror slot receivers. There are some concerns about his durability after he missed time with injuries. Overall, Gary is more of an athlete than football player at this time, but the upside is off the charts, and his effort is exceptional.

 

 

RANK

11

Kyler Murray, QB

 

School: Oklahoma | Year: Junior (RS) 
Previous rank: 11 

Murray is an extremely explosive quarterback prospect who lacks the ideal height/bulk for the position. He has extremely quick feet in his setup and bounces on his toes at the top of his drop. He has dynamic arm strength and doesn't need to grind his toes in the ground to generate power. He isn't as accurate as Baker Mayfield, but he flashes the touch to layer the ball on occasion, accompanying the "wow" power throws. The majority of his decisions are made pre-snap; otherwise, he resorts to scrambling around and buying time. There are examples of him working deeper into progressions, but that will still be an adjustment for him at the next level. He is an electric runner, using a quick/choppy stride to eat up ground. I had two major issues early in the evaluation process, but his full-time commitment to football and surprising bulk at the combine (207 pounds) helped alleviate those concerns. Overall, I see Murray as a solid starting NFL quarterback.

 

 

RANK 12

Andre Dillard, OT

 

School: Washington State | Year: Senior (RS) 
Previous rank: 13 

Dillard has an athletic frame for the position, and he's a very easy mover. In pass protection, he explodes out of his stance and plays with tremendous knee bend, patience and balance. He shoots his hands in tight and can redirect with very little effort. When opponents get into his chest, he is quick to re-work his hands and regain leverage. In the run game, he is more of a finesse, wall-off player than a people-mover. He has the athleticism to work up to the second level, and I believe he'll be effective on outside pulls. Overall, Dillard is a pure, pass-protecting left tackle. Yes, he needs to get stronger and more physical, but in a passing league, what he does best is highly coveted.

 

 

RANK

13

Noah Fant, TE

 

School: Iowa | Year: Junior 
Previous rank: 15 

Fant has a tall, athletic frame (6-4, 249 pounds) and exceptional explosiveness. He moved around in the Iowa scheme, putting his hand in the dirt, splitting out wide or aligning in the wing. He explodes off the line of scrimmage and is a very fluid route runner. He creates a lot of separation and tracks the ball easily over his shoulder. Fant isn't as effective when he's working underneath. He lacks polish and drops some easy balls. He also has a bad habit of unnecessarily jumping for balls that are put on his frame. After the catch, he uses his speed to pull away from defenders. He is a shield blocker in the run game, lacking tenacity and physicality in that department. Overall, Fant is a special athlete who is at his best working vertically. He has some shortcomings in other areas, but he'll be a big-play producer right away for his drafting team.

 

 

RANK

14

Jawaan Taylor, OT

 

School: Florida | Year: Junior 
Previous rank: 14 

Taylor lined up at right tackle for the Gators. He has average height and a broad frame for the position. In the passing game, he has the foot quickness to cover up speed rushers and the athleticism to redirect versus counter moves. He has a bad habit of scooping instead of punching, which allows defenders to get into his chest. However, he is still sturdy versus power rushers, despite giving up his chest. In the run game, he has tremendous upper-body strength to torque and toss defenders. He's nasty. Some teams will prefer his power inside at the guard position, but I see him as a quality starting right tackle.

 

 

RANK

15

Jeffery Simmons, DT

 

School: Mississippi State | Year: Junior 
Previous rank: 17 

Simmons has the ideal frame, athleticism and explosiveness for the position. As a pass rusher, he has an exceptional first step and rolls his hips to uproot blockers. Simmons has tremendous upper torque to stack and toss blockers on the way to the quarterback. He excels on twists and games. Against the run, he explodes into blocks, extends his arms, peeks and frees himself to make plays. However, teams will need to do their homework on his character -- his 2016 arrest stemmed from a highly publicized video of him getting into a physical altercation with a woman. Overall, Simmons has Pro Bowl potential and a similar skill set to Eagles DT Fletcher Cox. The ACL tear he suffered during a workout in February might hurt him a little bit in the draft, but he's too talented a player to fall very far.

 

 

RANK

16

Marquise Brown, WR

 

 

School: Oklahoma | Year: Junior 
Previous rank: 16 

Brown is a DeSean Jackson clone. He has a similar build and the same explosive playmaking skills as the three-time Pro Bowler. He lines up outside and in the slot. He easily defeats press coverage with his quickness -- and when corners elect to play off coverage, he eats up their cushion in a hurry. He is a blur on deep posts and go routes, showing both suddenness off the line and another gear once the ball is thrown to him. He has also shown the ability to quickly get in/out of breaks when working back to the quarterback on curls and comebacks. He plays much bigger than his size (5-9, 166 pounds) down the field, attacking the football at the highest point. He is dynamic after the catch. Overall, Brown might lack ideal size, but he's a polished receiver and a threat to score from anywhere on the field. He did undergo Lisfranc surgery in January, which means he's probably not a lock for the top 20. I don't see him falling out of the first round, though.

 

 

RANK

17

Montez Sweat, Edge

 

School: Mississippi State | Year: Senior 
Previous rank: 12 

Sweat is a tall, long and athletic defensive end. As a pass rusher, he relies on a quick get-off and his length to pop/separate before bending around the edge to generate sacks. He doesn't show much snap/power on contact, but he still finds ways to win. His effort is excellent. Against the run, he plays a little high and will get moved around by opposing tackles. He will improve once he learns to lower his pads. Sweat is much better versus tight ends. He has the agility to drop into the flat in coverage. Sweat needs to get stronger, but his combination of length, agility and production makes him one of the draft's top edge rushers. However, off-field factors, including his dismissal from Michigan State and a heart condition, have the potential to keep him from going as high as his talent warrants.

 

 

RANK

18

Garrett Bradbury, C

 

School: N.C. State | Year: Senior (RS) 
Previous rank: 18 

Bradbury is a slightly undersized player with excellent quickness, balance and awareness. He is a very clean player, rarely falling off blocks or getting caught out of position. In pass protection, he has quick hands and can easily slide mirror while displaying excellent knee bend. He will stutter back a little bit versus power rushers before settling down. He is very aware. In the run game, he uses his quickness to consistently reach and cut off defenders. He takes good angles up to the second level, and he can adjust in space. He isn't a mauler, but he stays attached to his assignment. Overall, Bradbury will be a steady, reliable starter, and I see very minimal risk.

 

 

 

[HigSkin]

4 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

DJ just did his final 100, here is the first 18.  If I recall among the mock draft media guys he is one of the only ones who was a scout. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001027342/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-100-prospects-for-2019-nfl-draft

 

 

 

RANK

4

T.J. Hockenson, TE

1 

 

 

 

 

 

Is it just me or does Hock look like a hobbit?  😂

[volsmet]

DJs list is strong, imo. Hilariously enough, 2 of those guts weren’t picked in the ES mock. I like Ugo, but Boyd has certain issues that outweigh the talent.. though the talent is substantial.

Just now, HigSkin said:

 

Is it just me or does Hock look like a hobbit?  LOL

 

Garden gnome.

[Skinsinparadise]

I admit I haven't watched Long and know very little about him -- but boy does PFF keep pushing this dude on twitter

 

 

 

[volsmet]

25 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I admit I haven't watched Long and know very little about him -- but boy does PFF keep pushing this dude on twitter

 

 

 

 

Guy is legitimate, he’s going to be a great nb imo, I’d have taken him in our draft if the Bills had more than 3 good tackle football players under the age of 37. 

[Going Commando]

1 hour ago, volsmet said:

My dude Carl Granderson vs The Incredible Hock.

 

I have been hesitant to badmouth Granderson because I knew you and my boy @Monk4thaHALL were fans.  But I have to say, I didn't love what I saw from Granderson's cut ups.  To me he showed a fairly significant lack of play strength.  What is it that you guys are seeing in him that I'm not?

[Going Commando]

1 hour ago, volsmet said:

Scoring a 9 on the wonderlick should be impossible for a mammal. 

 

Gary has put up more flags than the damn United Nations building, every draftnik knows it, not a single one of us actually likes him, and yet we're all continuing with the farce that he's a first round talent?  The irrationality of the marketplace can not be accounted for.

[Going Commando]

45 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I admit I haven't watched Long and know very little about him -- but boy does PFF keep pushing this dude on twitter

 

I hadn't heard about him until last night when I was watching WInovich.  I see what they like in him.  He was a revelation for me.  But I think PFF get's too wrapped up in the cleverness of their grading system and they lose some perspective on the limits of the scope of their system a little more often than I'd like.

 

Long's coverage performances are really strong, but a college player who is exceptionally good at press man coverage, and

 

- who gets to spend all of his snaps doing it,

- who plays with a loaded front,

- with much softer secondary play from the slot and on the other side of his backfield,

- and in a conference without great quarterbacking

 

Is not going to get thrown at very often.  His opponents almost always chose the path of lesser resistance.  But it doesn't necessarily mean Long's elite performance in press man will fully translate to the NFL, because you're not drafting all of those contingencies too when you're drafting him.  60 targets in two years is nothing.  He'll see that as a rookie in the NFL if he is a regular rotation player.  And he's also going to be tested by much more physical X receivers.  And he's also going to get targeted more in the run game.

 

Ultimately, I think he's legit and that he'll thrive anyway because his coverage instincts are superb and he stays absolutely locked in all game, plus he's got the physical talent to hold up at the next level.  But I think things will be much more rough for him.

[volsmet]

31 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

I have been hesitant to badmouth Granderson because I knew you and my boy @Monk4thaHALL were fans.  But I have to say, I didn't love what I saw from Granderson's cut ups.  To me he showed a fairly significant lack of play strength.  What is it that you guys are seeing in him that I'm not?

 

Trashing a guy I like is humbling, it means you looked .. and if you ask what I see, that’s humbling as well, & it’s the quickest way to navigate a discussion. You’re probably better than this than I am, I enjoy your thoughts so much because I know you invest the time in your evaluations & you see a million things that make me go watch someone more closely, like Jenkins, who I liked during the sr bowl, but had been underestimating... 34 inch arms, dominant in the SEC, good athlete, 2nd round guy who can probably play guard... Butler, I didn’t think much of, but I have him in the top 20 now because of your evaluation of him & what it opened my eyes to. Agreeing isn’t better than disagreeing, imo, honest opinions are all that matter. I wish we could find a way to get a big board for this group, someone brighter than I could sort out a fairly simple way I’m certain.

 

Above you see him snatch & jerk Hock like it was nothing, Hock was stumbling around like he was on skates.

 

This rep is v an incredibly athletic, 6-5, 326lb tackle, he beats him to the edge but he doesn’t have the refined bend to finish that win, but he shows a counter that just annihilates young Oli. If he had a bit more burst & bend I think he could flatten out around him, but he smokes the arms & back hands the huge tackle like it’s nothing. 

 

 

 

 

Here he tries to get under the tackle, you can see the ability for him to bend & explode though he doesn’t finish it, his feet aren’t settled here but the improvement you see in him from his college tape to the sr bowl is exciting to me, he took to coaching well here, which has been a question about him sine he was a Hs wr getting in trouble every week. That’s an issue.. as a court date looms.

 

His best in 1 v 1s is what he shows here, the ability to get a tackle to stall, he sets up tackles like a wr sets up a slant ... & he does it well.

 

 

 

He abuses Fant, shows discipline then treats him like a rag doll when the play comes his way. He seemed to only want to play on the larger stage, v Iowa is an example, as was the sr bowl. 

 

 

This is impressive athleticism from 6-5 260

 

 

 

He is quick enough to get outside & the feet allow him a very nature & impressive inside move

 

 

 

 

I thought he & Collier were very impressive v an unbelievable Oline group the Sr bowl put together. He exploded to me, I expected him to be garbage, & in many games he was, I have to wonder why he didn’t dominate routinely, but his ability to impact games is clear to me; I like him as a late round target, but he won’t get drafted at all due to off the field issues. 

 

 

***I don’t think you can hedge non a guy like Butler, either the NFL will take away what he can do or not, he’s a bum or he’s elite, imo. 

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

  https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2019-nfl-draft-smokescreens-vs-reality-josh-rosens-landing-spot-and-more-insider-notes/

 

La Canfora on Haskins and Lock :

I also find myself going back to the combine when it comes to Dwayne Haskins. At that time he was viewed, on pure evaluations, as the top quarterback available and a future potential star pocket passer whose production at Ohio State as a one-year starter was off the charts. And for all of the chatter in recent weeks about his potential spiral down draft boards or perhaps a free-fall come this Thursday, I'm not buying it. You can't convince me he doesn't appeal quite strongly to the Giants with that sixth-overall pick, and I have been reporting since the combine about the Skins' love of this prospect.

Dan Snyder has known of Haskins since the QB's high school days, and I continue to hear that a move up to third overall with the Jets is hardly out of the question. Sure, maybe there is some scenario where Haskins is there at pick 15, but the Jets are highly motivated sellers – they could still land a promising pass rusher in the middle of the first round – and the Skins going into the season with Case Keenum and Colt McCoy as the options at QB seems ludicrous. No team has a more glaring need at the most important position in football, and they've traded future draft capital plenty of times in the past. I see Haskins in Washington, one way or the other.

 

Which leaves us with Drew Lock. I've gone back and forth about whether he goes in the first round or not. But after talking to several evaluators who have no QB skin in the game, I am convinced he will go Thursday night. And my suspicion is it's via trade late in the night. John Elway loves this model of QB and he has done this sort of trade before – just a few years back in his ill-fated foray after Paxton Lynch – so I am going to stick with my follow-the-obvious equation on this one, as well. There are no shortage of motivated sellers in the back end of the first round, and perhaps a team without an overt QB need makes the move, but either way I don't think Lock makes it to Friday.

 

Sorry didn’t realize u posted in the qb thread. @Skinsinparadise I’ll just leave it.,

[volsmet]

Jon Gruden knew Haskins from his Hs days, I’m fairly certain he was in Knoxville when Haskins made a visit to Tennessee, Jon’s all Vol, his lady was a Vol cheerleader, the best of humanity.

 

Imo, Haskins stinks. But, I like romantic comedies & Sarah Mclachlan, so who knows.

 

[volsmet]

A beaststud sleeper.

 

On 4/20/2019 at 10:39 AM, volsmet said:

The Buffalo Bill Select our favorite prospect, one we doubt would have been drafted here, but we need on the official draft record:

 

Kaden Elliss

 

Son of Luther Elliss, the 20th overall pick in the 1995 (Brian Thure) draft 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Conn]

Find is so weird that DJ has Jacobs above Murray on his big board. I'm sure he's removing the positional value factor, he has to be for it to make sense. Even taking that into account, I'd gamble on Murray's upside any day over a really good but non-freak athlete at RB. He has almost no production to speak of on top of everything else, which might mean he has a ton of tread left on the tires. Still, Jacobs seems to be a great football player, but I couldn't imagine liking him more than Murray. Maybe the positional value is just drilled into me so deeply that I can't manage to be impartial.

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5 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Find is so weird that DJ has Jacobs above Murray on his big board. I'm sure he's removing the positional value factor, he has to be for it to make sense. Even taking that into account, I'd gamble on Murray's upside any day over a really good but non-freak athlete at RB. He has almost no production to speak of on top of everything else, which might mean he has a ton of tread left on the tires. Still, Jacobs seems to be a great football player, but I couldn't imagine liking him more than Murray. Maybe the positional value is just drilled into me so deeply that I can't manage to be impartial.

 

Definitely. I’d probably take Murray as a 3rd down back or slot over Jacobs.