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16 hours ago, jbird said:

Here's hoping for the 32'nd pick in the 2019 Draft!!.

 

You want us to trade down out of the top 5? :rofl89:

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16 hours ago, Alcoholic Zebra said:

I think the only positions where we can rule out prospects for the first two (maybe three) rounds are DT, QB, RB, and OT.

A rather nice position to be in, for a change. I’ll be focusing on cornerbacks and outside linebackers. But, yeah, we have a whole season to play and then the free-agency period. 

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Another year drafting Bama for the front 7 in the first two rounds would not disappoint me at all.

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Given I get next to nothing out of the continued amateur clownshow that brings us to this site these days, or most pro-ball in general with the sanitised modern day NFL product; preparing for the draft watching these kids journey’s and development from one year to the next is the my main football fix. (The irony in the draft leading to the pro-game I’m so at odds with isn’t lost on me.).

 

I’m babling. But a convoluted way of me saying thank you for my go to stadium thread and the dedication of all the fellow draft geeks. 

 

Even if y’all can’t evaluate for ****!  ? Oh hi there @Monk4thaHALL.....

 

Hail.

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Priority 1, every single season should always be across the lines.

 

Right now, DL looks solid, but depending on draft position you never pass on a stud DL. At some point Allen will need to be paid, so will Payne (if they turn out). Settle could be a big help inside, but you don't look passed a guy that can alleviate some snaps played by the others and replace them if they leave. 

 

The offensive line is more of a 'almost definite' need. It's also a position where trading back is a possible scenario due to all the non-linemen positions being tremendously overvalueed by teams. That nets you more picks. But if there's a guy that can help us you pull the trigger. We need to look at guard and it's time to start thinking about Trent's replacement. Maybe not pull the trigger if a stud isn't there... but it's not likely a stud falls in our laps in round 1 the same year Trent decides to call it a career. So if there's a stud LT the team needs to clearly weigh their options. 

 

I'm not big on spending big bucks on a running back or a wide receiver. A stud that can change the game is a bit of a different animal (see: Adrian Peterson in his prime, Saquan Barkley in this year's draft). So even if they are needs, I think they fall a bit later. I think RB will be a need, but the extent of which is a question mark. Receiver is a need most likely, but I'm wary of the capital spent on that position more than others. Paying a receiver Odell Beckham money scares me. Starting in the bottom half of round 2, I'd keep an eye open for Athlete backs (think Thompson) depending on Thompson's health and our general feeling on Bibbs/Marshall at that point. 

 

Tight End is a need. But typically you can find solid ones in later rounds and there are always veteran TEs in free agency that can be at worst a reliable option.

 

Quarterback you have to look at. Smith is old. I'm not sure if he's Brady or not. If we somehow get a once in a lifetime prospect, I can see pulling the trigger. Otherwise a later investment in the position with a guy the staff feels is talented is warranted. 

 

Inside linebacker is likely a need, depending on some development, but this is another position like the OL/DL where you can never have too many studs. Find a MLB that controls the game and he's tough to pass.

 

Edge is a need, but I'm careful on this one. I look to Oakland and see what's going on with Mack/Gruden. The Raiders had Mack last year. He was solid, but he didn't change games enough to make Oakland a good football team. You could have replaced him with Ryan Anderson and the overall status of the Raiders wouldn't have changed. I think Mack is a stud, but I can see Gruden's point of view. Mack doesn't put them over the top. Mack helps a team that's close get over the hump, though. So with Edge guys I get a touch anxious. Smith is going to cost a pretty penny, though, but I'm not sure he's unattainable. I'm not sure how I feel about Anderson yet. And McPhee is just... there.... right now. I'd keep this spot on the priority watch list. But I'd trudge careful.

 

Corner seems to be another spot we could allocate resources, but we may not need to. Danny Johnson and Stroman look talented. Norman is still under contract. Moreau could develop. Plus Dunbar. I'd keep an eye on outstanding corner and depth corner spots, but I still think this is one of the stronger groups on the team.

 

Safety. Later in the first round this is a spot that I could see us targetting if the lines don't have a player clearly better. Swearinger is a middle of the road player with a top notch leadership ability. I don't think you drop his leadership/aggression for a slight upgrade. But FS is a different story. We need one. Badly. I'd keep an eye on this one.

 

TL;DR:

 

Priority list:

 

#1 DL/OL (especially interior DL and literally every OL spot)

#2 ILB

#3 Safety

#4 Edge

#5 Quarterback

#6 Wide Receiver/Athlete Back

#7 Corner

#8 Running Back/WR

#9 Tight End

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1 minute ago, Koolblue13 said:

FS, ILB, DT, OG, OT, QB, TE is probably my priority order if I had one. 

 

I'm a touch old school in that I would value a versatile FB (think Sellers/Alstott types) over tight ends. Receiving tight ends can be found all over the place. Sure, there would be a drop off from Jordan Reed/Vernon Davis but you can find guys who can get open in Gruden's offense and do some damage... But a good fullback is tough to come by and completely changes your team. All these D's are getting smaller and more athletic. A bruiser that can run block, move the line on a dive or catch the ball out of the backfield in the open field are a weapon. 

 

But, I look at fullback as a hybrid block TE/pass protecting back that can catch and can run a bit. 

 

Those guys are rare and I really think there is a place for them. Just the lower levels have changed so much those guys aren't being developed anymore. 

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6 hours ago, UKskins said:

 

You want us to trade down out of the top 5? :rofl89:

you got it!

Afraid of picking in the top 10!! lol

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19 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Priority 1, every single season should always be across the lines.

 

Right now, DL looks solid, but depending on draft position you never pass on a stud DL. At some point Allen will need to be paid, so will Payne (if they turn out). Settle could be a big help inside, but you don't look passed a guy that can alleviate some snaps played by the others and replace them if they leave. 

 

The offensive line is more of a 'almost definite' need. It's also a position where trading back is a possible scenario due to all the non-linemen positions being tremendously overvalueed by teams. That nets you more picks. But if there's a guy that can help us you pull the trigger. We need to look at guard and it's time to start thinking about Trent's replacement. Maybe not pull the trigger if a stud isn't there... but it's not likely a stud falls in our laps in round 1 the same year Trent decides to call it a career. So if there's a stud LT the team needs to clearly weigh their options. 

 

I'm not big on spending big bucks on a running back or a wide receiver. A stud that can change the game is a bit of a different animal (see: Adrian Peterson in his prime, Saquan Barkley in this year's draft). So even if they are needs, I think they fall a bit later. I think RB will be a need, but the extent of which is a question mark. Receiver is a need most likely, but I'm wary of the capital spent on that position more than others. Paying a receiver Odell Beckham money scares me. Starting in the bottom half of round 2, I'd keep an eye open for Athlete backs (think Thompson) depending on Thompson's health and our general feeling on Bibbs/Marshall at that point. 

 

Tight End is a need. But typically you can find solid ones in later rounds and there are always veteran TEs in free agency that can be at worst a reliable option.

 

Quarterback you have to look at. Smith is old. I'm not sure if he's Brady or not. If we somehow get a once in a lifetime prospect, I can see pulling the trigger. Otherwise a later investment in the position with a guy the staff feels is talented is warranted. 

 

Inside linebacker is likely a need, depending on some development, but this is another position like the OL/DL where you can never have too many studs. Find a MLB that controls the game and he's tough to pass.

 

Edge is a need, but I'm careful on this one. I look to Oakland and see what's going on with Mack/Gruden. The Raiders had Mack last year. He was solid, but he didn't change games enough to make Oakland a good football team. You could have replaced him with Ryan Anderson and the overall status of the Raiders wouldn't have changed. I think Mack is a stud, but I can see Gruden's point of view. Mack doesn't put them over the top. Mack helps a team that's close get over the hump, though. So with Edge guys I get a touch anxious. Smith is going to cost a pretty penny, though, but I'm not sure he's unattainable. I'm not sure how I feel about Anderson yet. And McPhee is just... there.... right now. I'd keep this spot on the priority watch list. But I'd trudge careful.

 

Corner seems to be another spot we could allocate resources, but we may not need to. Danny Johnson and Stroman look talented. Norman is still under contract. Moreau could develop. Plus Dunbar. I'd keep an eye on outstanding corner and depth corner spots, but I still think this is one of the stronger groups on the team.

 

Safety. Later in the first round this is a spot that I could see us targetting if the lines don't have a player clearly better. Swearinger is a middle of the road player with a top notch leadership ability. I don't think you drop his leadership/aggression for a slight upgrade. But FS is a different story. We need one. Badly. I'd keep an eye on this one.

 

TL;DR:

 

Priority list:

 

#1 DL/OL (especially interior DL and literally every OL spot)

#2 ILB

#3 Safety

#4 Edge

#5 Quarterback

#6 Wide Receiver/Athlete Back

#7 Corner

#8 Running Back/WR

#9 Tight End

 

Agree with your approach. 

 

Want to would add that on the DL you need 3-4 starters but OL needs 5 starters.

 

Sheer numbers says that if you have equal need, that you need to prioritize OL, but on paper, our DL is stronger that OL, so I would argue that OL is higher priority than DL right now, but we will have to see what the season brings.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

 

But, I look at fullback as a hybrid block TE/pass protecting back that can catch and can run a bit. 

I love FBs. Gruden doesn't though, so it'd be an absolute waste. Holtz, the TE we just brought in has looked good doing FB stuff for AP, but won't make it closer than the PSquad. 

 

I've never been a Reed fan. Guy tries not to block. However if we could add the next Witten, it would go a very long way, especially since we'll be bringing in a young QB soon. 

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5 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

I love FBs. Gruden doesn't though, so it'd be an absolute waste. Holtz, the TE we just brought in has looked good doing FB stuff for AP, but won't make it closer than the PSquad. 

 

I've never been a Reed fan. Guy tries not to block. However if we could add the next Witten, it would go a very long way, especially since we'll be bringing in a young QB soon. 

This is why a Mike Sellers type would be so invaluable. Gruden does use a FB and over the last couple of years it was why we often kept 4 TEs or ended up having to cross train a guy (Anderson played FB several times last season). A Mike Sellers type allows you only 2 RBs active on game day (unless you use #3 as your KO guy), allows you only to have two TEs active on game day while still allowing for 2 TE forms if a TE goes down and doesn't give away your formation as much based on personnel packages. All this while giving you a quality FB (when you need one) and better roster options if needed (like going with 6 wrs instead of 5).

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4 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Another year drafting Bama for the front 7 in the first two rounds would not disappoint me at all.

 

Judging by early buzz, there might be more in play in this draft as for the front 7 from Bama than last year.   DT, OLB, MLB the whole gamut. 

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1 hour ago, KDawg said:

 

I'm a touch old school in that I would value a versatile FB (think Sellers/Alstott types) over tight ends. Receiving tight ends can be found all over the place. Sure, there would be a drop off from Jordan Reed/Vernon Davis but you can find guys who can get open in Gruden's offense and do some damage... But a good fullback is tough to come by and completely changes your team. All these D's are getting smaller and more athletic. A bruiser that can run block, move the line on a dive or catch the ball out of the backfield in the open field are a weapon. 

 

But, I look at fullback as a hybrid block TE/pass protecting back that can catch and can run a bit. 

 

Those guys are rare and I really think there is a place for them. Just the lower levels have changed so much those guys aren't being developed anymore. 

 

Only problem is that we really don't use one in Gruden's offence. Unless you are assuming he is no longer coach next year...

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2 minutes ago, bird_1972 said:

 

Only problem is that we really don't use one in Gruden's offence. Unless you are assuming he is no longer coach next year...

 

We don't use one because he hasn't found one that can function as a blocking TE/lead back/pass catcher in the mold of Sellers. But if we did, it would eliminate the need for a third TE because he would be that guy.

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If you guys are right, I'd be ecstatic. I can't stand our offense. I'd love to see a Sellers type. 

 

Didn't Gruden just say something about not caring about that position though? 

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7 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

If you guys are right, I'd be ecstatic. I can't stand our offense. I'd love to see a Sellers type. 

 

Didn't Gruden just say something about not caring about that position though? 

In 2016, Niles Paul lined up at FB often.  Last season, Paul, Anderson, Kelley and Perine all took turns at FB.

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5 minutes ago, Darth Tater said:

In 2016, Niles Paul lined up at FB often.  Last season, Paul, Anderson, Kelley and Perine all took turns at FB.

I know it happens for the occasional play. I don't remember it happening often enough for a roster spot for a specialist, but I also was obviously unable to watch much last year. 

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priorities... not necessarily draft round selection.

 

1. LG

2. WR (pending what our young bucks do)

3. CB

4. FS

5. TE (Receiver)

6. Edge - Pending what we do with Smith... this could be no. 2 if Smith is not signed.

7. D-line

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As a big college football fan, I look forward to contributing and reading this thread. 

 

2019 is supposed to be a pretty deep draft, especially with d-linemen.  All four Clemson starting defensive linemen have a shot to go in the first round in the same draft!  Crazy.  

 

In mocks thus far, I've seen as many as 7 QBs go in the first round: Patterson - Michigan, Herbert - Oregon, Lock - Missouri, Grier - WVU, Finley - NC St, Stidham - Auburn, and Thorson - Northwestern.  There is no way all seven do end up going in the first (especially after a bunch went in 1st in 2018), but I think it shows there are a lot of QBs with potential.   

 

As far as the Redskins, d-line is one of their deepest units, and I doubt they go QB early in 2019 due to Alex Smith playing at least 2 more years on his extension, but if a good opportunity arises to get the heir apparent, you never know.   But even if they do avoid d-line and QB, that means they should get a top prospect at another position.  But I hope Skins go BPA in early rounds, even if it means taking a d-lineman, and worry about filling needs later in the draft.  I wouldn't pass on a Oliver, Simmons, Wilkins, etc if they are BPA at the time, you could be passing on a game-changer. 

 

That being said, I really hope they find a way to get an impact interior offensive lineman.  I do see the need for pass rusher, WR, TE, ILB, and S, but a young starting caliber guard on the first two days of the draft would really help.  Some names to keep an eye on this year:

 

Jonah Williams - Alabama - currently a tackle, but Kiper wrote on his big board that he may move inside in the NFL.  Probably a top 15 pick.

 

A few guards I've been reading about going in the first two days:

Beau Benzschawel, Wisconsin - Kiper has him #1 Sr OG

Michael Deiter, Wisconsin - Kiper has him #4 Sr OG

Darryl Williams, Mississippi State - Kiper has him #3 underclassmen OG

 

Ross Pierschbacher, Alabama - current center for Alabama, but have also read he can play guard as well.  Kiper has him #3 Sr C.

http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=130819&draftyear=2019&genpos=OG

 

 

Also, for people who are better at this stuff than me:  I'm intrigued by Devin White, LB from LSU.  Kiper has him #4 on big board, and supposedly he is all over the field with great instincts.  How would he complement Zach Borwn in the 3-4?  Are they too similar to play side-by-side?  

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29 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

I know it happens for the occasional play. I don't remember it happening often enough for a roster spot for a specialist, but I also was obviously unable to watch much last year. 

We use a FB around 25% of the time. Not looking for a guy who only is a FB which is why a Sellers-type would be awesome. Instead of cross training a TE, LB or a RB to do the FB thing, do it the other way round.

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45 minutes ago, OVCChairman said:

priorities... not necessarily draft round selection.

 

1. LG

2. WR (pending what our young bucks do)

3. CB

4. FS

5. TE (Receiver)

6. Edge - Pending what we do with Smith... this could be no. 2 if Smith is not signed.

7. D-line

CB is very interesting to me.  Best case scenario is Norman proves he is still elite, and young bucks show they belong in the NFL.  Then CB might be one of our deepest units.  But if Norman loses a step, Moreau isn't ready for the stage, and the rookie CBs struggle, it could be at the top of the list.  Will be interesting to see.  

 

Same with WR, as you pointed out.  Based on how much i like the current backups Harris, Quinn and Sims, and feel we can have a strong balance in top 3 of Doctson, P-Rich and Crowder (assuming he stays), if WR becomes this much of a need after this season, our current unit will have to be deemed the most disappointing of 2018.  

 

I would move pass rusher up the list even if Smith stays, and if he bolts, make it priority #1.  Anderson can't get to the QB and McPhee might not be around here much longer, while Kerrigan is getting older.

 

I would prioritize ILB and C before d-line.

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8 minutes ago, KillBill26 said:

CB is very interesting to me.  Best case scenario is Norman proves he is still elite, and young bucks show they belong in the NFL.  Then CB might be one of our deepest units.  But if Norman loses a step, Moreau isn't ready for the stage, and the rookie CBs struggle, it could be at the top of the list.  Will be interesting to see.  

 

Same with WR, as you pointed out.  Based on how much i like the current backups Harris, Quinn and Sims, and feel we can have a strong balance in top 3 of Doctson, P-Rich and Crowder (assuming he stays), if WR becomes this much of a need after this season, our current unit will have to be deemed the most disappointing of 2018.  

 

I would move pass rusher up the list even if Smith stays, and if he bolts, make it priority #1.  Anderson can't get to the QB and McPhee might not be around here much longer, while Kerrigan is getting older.

 

I would prioritize ILB and C before d-line.

 

 

The fun part of my list, is that we've done what appears to be a good job of finding young talent, that it's possible that thing gets flipped around all over the place before April. 

 

LG is probably my no. 1 no matter what.  I don't think we necessarily need to use a 1st round pick on it.. but we NEED to find a long term solution at that position.  There's NO possibilities we have that on current roster.  Thats why it's such an emphasis.


We're asking a lot of rookies to have serious contributions to the long term success of this team... so I'll look at those as a position of need until it's not a need anymore..

 

The only true 'luxury' i have on my list is receiving TE... it's not AS important, but with Reeds injury history, and Davis' age, a pass catching TE could be a big time need for the offense Gruden likes to run.  If we let go of Holtz this year... it's very possible that we could go into camp with 1 TE on the team next season... and it may force us to lean on Reed once again out of desperation.  

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5 minutes ago, OVCChairman said:

 

LG is probably my no. 1 no matter what.  I don't think we necessarily need to use a 1st round pick on it.. but we NEED to find a long term solution at that position.  There's NO possibilities we have that on current roster.  Thats why it's such an emphasis.

Agreed, not much talent or depth there.  And I feel confident we can get a quality guy in second or third round.  That is a tough position to gauge tho.  Ragnow was viewed as a mid round pick for most of the college season, then catapulted into first.  And I don't think people anticipated the early run on iol with price, ragnow, Corbett and Daniels all going earlier than most people thought.  While I believe in a bpa strategy in the early rounds, it will be very disappointing if there is a similar run in this draft, and we are in a similar situation where taking an iol in round 3 or 4 will be a major reach and might not be much of an upgrade over kalis / Catalina. I doubt that happens again, and I think depth at iol in this draft will be solid to allow us to get a quality player on second day. 

8 minutes ago, OVCChairman said:

 

 

The fun part of my list, is that we've done what appears to be a good job of finding young talent, that it's possible that thing gets flipped around all over the place before April. 

 

True, I love the potential of the young players on the roster, but a lot of them are unknowns, so who knows what the priority list will be come January, especially if gruden gets replaced and new schemes are implemented.

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23 hours ago, Darth Tater said:

For CB, I like that Greedy fellow.  Just because I like the name.

I like it: Payne and Greedy. Need to find a Pestilence and Famine to help complete the Four Horseman of the Apocolypse. 

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9 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Another year drafting Bama for the front 7 in the first two rounds would not disappoint me at all.

This is the year to Clemson on the DL

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