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Was just watching the Good Morning Football guys rank the QBs in the draft and or are available.   I only cared about Peter Schrager because he's typically plugged in and he was at the combine.  Funky order of QBs for him and a change from the past.  So I am guessing he heard some funky things there.  I love Stidham's arm and even said before the combine its the perfect setting for him but his pocket presence/dealing with pressure dynamic is his big time weakness. 

 

1. Murray

2. Rosen

3. Lock

4. Haskins

5. Stidham

 

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Was just watching the Good Morning Football guys rank the QBs in the draft and or are available.   I only cared about Peter Schrager because he's typically plugged in and he was at the combine.  Funky order of QBs for him and a change from the past.  So I am guessing he heard some funky things there.  I love Stidham's arm and even said before the combine its the perfect setting for him but his pocket presence/dealing with pressure dynamic is his big time weakness. 

 

1. Murray

2. Rosen

3. Lock

4. Haskins

5. Stidham

 

 

That's certainly encouraging for us. If someone ahead of us gets Rosen, it looks like Lock or Haskins should be there at 15.  I think we could win with a QB like Rosen, as long as we build a team around him (ie keep high picks and add a WR/OG/LB in the 1st 3 rounds)

 

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Sounds like Polite has poor work ethic and attutude.  Such a shame.  Also given how we still like "football players", he might even be off our draft board.

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If you look at Todd McShay, he actually places a number on all draft eligible players. Last year, Rosen got a 92 (Darnold 93, Allen 92, Mayfield 91), while this year Murray gets a 90 (Haskins 91, Lock 86, Jones 82). Now McShay is just one guy and isn't the end all, be all of draft prospects. I use as an example mainly because: (1) he's well known and isn't some fly by night website; and (2) uses actual numbers rather than vague rankings of players. But it seems most people had Rosen higher in his draft year than those same people rank Murray this year. And yet, most people also seem to prefer Murray to Rosen. Which strongly suggests Rosen's value has a taken a hit. Just a factor to weigh in any possible trade/draft pick selection.

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27 minutes ago, Alcoholic Zebra said:

Sounds like Polite has poor work ethic and attutude.  Such a shame.  Also given how we still like "football players", he might even be off our draft board.

 

Might have just been a bad day.  He could be a poor interview, but that doesn't mean he can't play.  He can play.

I can think of fewer picks that could have more value than snagging Polite in the second round because he had a bad day at the underwear olympics.  The kid has an absolutely elite combination of first step and ankle bend.  Best in the class in that regard.

 

But there were maturity concerns about him before this weekend and his behavior made them worse.

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1 hour ago, Jericho said:

If you look at Todd McShay, he actually places a number on all draft eligible players. Last year, Rosen got a 92 (Darnold 93, Allen 92, Mayfield 91), while this year Murray gets a 90 (Haskins 91, Lock 86, Jones 82). Now McShay is just one guy and isn't the end all, be all of draft prospects. I use as an example mainly because: (1) he's well known and isn't some fly by night website; and (2) uses actual numbers rather than vague rankings of players. But it seems most people had Rosen higher in his draft year than those same people rank Murray this year. And yet, most people also seem to prefer Murray to Rosen. Which strongly suggests Rosen's value has a taken a hit. Just a factor to weigh in any possible trade/draft pick selection.

 

I am not as high on Rosen as the typical draft geek is but nowhere as low as some of Rosen's critics are on the board.  But I'll say this its tough for me to think of one draft geek, anonymous personnel quote on the subject, that doesn't say that Rosen would be the 2nd best QB in this draft.  I personally don't agree with that but i am in the minority.  But I do like Rosen.  An ex-player on GMF just now put him even over Murray -- wow -- crazy.   So purely from a buzz stand point, Rosen has plenty of respect at least he does compares to this current QB class. 

 

My take is we want him on the market one way or another because it will take another team out of the market for Qbs.   Judging by twitter this morning, looks like we might have some competition for Rosen.  If so, I don't love it when Bruce-Dan get excited about a QB and get determined to be the highest bidder -- see RG3 (though I didn't mind it then), McNabb, Alex.    They did get outbid for Sanchez and Cutler though. 

 

 

On another note, Deandre Baker, 4.53, not bad but not special.  Good enough though. 

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https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/03/03/combine-dwayne-haskins-ohio-state-quarterback-2019-nfl-draft-news-mmqb

 

1. The most important stuff at the combine is the stuff you don’t see on TV. To that end, per a number of NFL coaches and execs, some prospects who helped themselves this week in the interview room (with the acknowledgment that some defensive backs are still going through the process): Haskins, Northwestern quarterback Clayton Thorson, TCU linebacker Ty Summers, BC guard Chris Lidstrom, Michigan linebacker Devin Bush, LSU linebacker Devin White, Iowa tight ends Noah Fant and TJ Hockenson, Alabama OL Jonah Williams, NC State center  Garrett Bradberry, Clemson defensive lineman Christian Wilkins. Also, Ohio State’s Nick Bosa, Alabama’s Quinnen Williams and Kentucky’s Josh Allen were who teams thought they were (to borrow a phrase). The three—who I believe would be an NFL consensus 1-2-3 right now—checked the boxes they needed to in Indy.

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15: R1P15
 
LB DEVIN WHITE
LSU
46: R2P14
 
WR DEEBO SAMUEL
SOUTH CAROLINA
76: R3P12
 
G CHRIS LINDSTROM
BOSTON COLLEGE
96: R3P32
 
QB WILL GRIER
WVU
153: R5P15
 
TE CALEB WILSON
UCLA
173: R5P35
 
RB BRYCE LOVE
STANFORD
206: R6P33
 
EDGE BYRON COWART
MARYLAND
227: R7P13
 
S MIKE BELL
FRESNO STATE
253: R7P39
 
G ALEX BOOKSER
PITTSBURGH

 

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Assuming we're able to pick up a few good FA's such as Landon Collins, re-sign Haha Clinton-Dix. Extend Scherff. Cut Zach Brown

 

You've got a plug and play LB in Devin White lined up next to Ferrari Foster. 

Plug and Play G in Chris Lindstrom.

Immediate PR and KR duties and potential #2 WR in Deebo Samuel. Possible #1 going forward.

Don't personally care for Will Grier but put a lot of faith in Gruden's ability to coach up QB's. 

Caleb WIlson is good value in the late 5th. 

Huge fan of Bryce Love. I don't believe he lasts this long when draft day comes around. He's got huge upside.

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3 minutes ago, SemperFi Skins said:

Assuming we're able to pick up a few good FA's such as Landon Collins, re-sign Haha Clinton-Dix. Extend Scherff. Cut Zach Brown

 

You've got a plug and play LB in Devin White lined up next to Ferrari Foster. 

Plug and Play G in Chris Lindstrom.

Immediate PR and KR duties and potential #2 WR in Deebo Samuel. Possible #1 going forward.

Don't personally care for Will Grier but put a lot of faith in Gruden's ability to coach up QB's. 

Caleb WIlson is good value in the late 5th. 

Huge fan of Bryce Love. I don't believe he lasts this long when draft day comes around. He's got huge upside.

 

I especially love the first three picks.  I've liked Lindstrom for months -- doubt though he lands the far back in the draft.

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Just now, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I especially love the first three picks.  I've liked Lindstrom for months -- doubt though he lands the far back in the draft.

 

Agreed. He gained some traction after his combine as well

 

I also don't see Devin White making it out of the top-10

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After watching some of the combine, Sutton Smith is a guy I hope the Skins get. He really stood out to me during the DL drills, so I watched a bit of him playing and he continued to impress me. Great motor and a sure tackler. He seemingly doesn't have the right measurables to be an every down NFL DE, but as a pass rushing specialist or possible conversion to LB, I think he's worth a shot. Projected to go in rounds 4-5, Redskins have two 5ths but if they somehow get a 4th, I'd take him there. 

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7 minutes ago, SemperFi Skins said:

 

Agreed. He gained some traction after his combine as well

 

I also don't see Devin White making it out of the top-10

 

Yeah don't see White out of the top 10 either but only thing on that is listening to draft coverage the math often doesn't match up to the statements.  As I did the math yesterday, someone has to surprisingly drop because there just isn't room to fit all these guys in the top 10 or even top 14.  Something has to give with a player or two who right now in theory is top 10.   My point is there will be a Derwin James, Jonathan Allen type who drops.  The math makes that a certainty. 

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5 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah don't see White out of the top 10 either but only thing on that is listening to draft coverage the math often doesn't match up to the statements.  As I did the math yesterday, someone has to surprisingly drop because there just isn't room to fit all these guys in the top 10 or even top 14.  Something has to give with a player or two who right now in theory is top 10.   My point is there will be a Derwin James, Jonathan Allen type who drops.  The math makes that a certainty. 

 

Absolutely. An even better example is Jonathan Allen. No one, including me, thought he would drop to 16. He was the top player on my big board. The top player for me this year is Kyler Murray but there is no doubt he'll be gone by our pick this year. There is an abundance of DL talent this year and also I could see one of the top CB's dropping. Greedy Williams OR Byron Murphy will be available. 

 

Ed Oliver (my #2 guy) is another who will most likely drop

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Latest mock from me (there will be trades, but I can't assume it)

 

1)  Cards-Murray (too much smoke)

2)  49ers-Bosa (easy pick)

3)  Jets-Allen (I think they want to trade down in the worst way to pick up a lost 2nd from the Darnold trade.  This is probably the spot for Haskins)

4)  Raiders-Williams (IMO, BPA in the draft.  Easy pick for them)

5)  TB-Montez Sweat (fastest riser in the draft.  Can go in FA to get o-lineman)

6)  Giants-Haskins (may have to trade up to ensure they get him)

7)  Jags-JaWaan Taylor (Must improve their o-line.  TE is deep enough to not take the enticing Hockenson)

8-Detroit-Hokenson (Easy pick for them)

9)  Bills-Jonah Williams (I think they'd love to trade down.  They can get WRs in FA and in the 2nd/3rd rounds)

10)  Denver-Lock (Denver won't pass on a young QB.  Flacco is a stopgap)

11)  Bengals-Devin White (easily can go higher)

12)  GB-Rashan Gary (I don't love him as a prospect, but they need to improve the D-line)

13)  Miami-Wilkins (fits as a leader for their rebuilding effort)

14)  Atlanta-Oliver (easy fit in their scheme)

15)  Redskins (I'd want to trade down if possible.  No one I like at 15.  Rather get more picks.  If push came to shove, I'd take Ferrell).

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15 hours ago, Anselmheifer said:

I couldn't agree less.  Jones doesn't even belong in the first round. He isn't the passer that Rosen is and his stats didn't nearly approximate those of Rosen. I don't understand your take on Jones. Not a person has been able to name another college QB that never passed for 3000 yards or 7 ypa and has gone on to have a successful NFL career. I don't think that player exists. It doesn't matter how tough Jones is. He's a terrible NFL QB prospect. Can you name a good NFL QB that never threw for 7ypa in college?

I agree about wanting a guy with upside. I'd be happier with someone that didn't already have a year that didn't look promising under their belt. On the other hand, the contract is great, and I liked him as a prospect last year. 

 

Jones is such an interesting case.  Cuz all you ever hear from the public is how awful he is.  lol

 

I havent seen a potential first round QB be this maligned in forever.  Not saying it's not deserved, I wouldnt know.  I've seen 0.00% of his snaps, so my only knowledge of him is what I've heard.  But for whatever reason, the draft prognosticators seem to think he's first round material and everybody else thinks he unequivocally sucks. 

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18 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

Latest mock from me (there will be trades, but I can't assume it)

 

1)  Cards-Murray (too much smoke)

2)  49ers-Bosa (easy pick)

3)  Jets-Allen (I think they want to trade down in the worst way to pick up a lost 2nd from the Darnold trade.  This is probably the spot for Haskins)

4)  Raiders-Williams (IMO, BPA in the draft.  Easy pick for them)

5)  TB-Montez Sweat (fastest riser in the draft.  Can go in FA to get o-lineman)

6)  Giants-Haskins (may have to trade up to ensure they get him)

7)  Jags-JaWaan Taylor (Must improve their o-line.  TE is deep enough to not take the enticing Hockenson)

8-Detroit-Hokenson (Easy pick for them)

9)  Bills-Jonah Williams (I think they'd love to trade down.  They can get WRs in FA and in the 2nd/3rd rounds)

10)  Denver-Lock (Denver won't pass on a young QB.  Flacco is a stopgap)

11)  Bengals-Devin White (easily can go higher)

12)  GB-Rashan Gary (I don't love him as a prospect, but they need to improve the D-line)

13)  Miami-Wilkins (fits as a leader for their rebuilding effort)

14)  Atlanta-Oliver (easy fit in their scheme)

15)  Redskins (I'd want to trade down if possible.  No one I like at 15.  Rather get more picks.  If push came to shove, I'd take Ferrell).

 

 

Cody Ford? 

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57 minutes ago, SemperFi Skins said:

Assuming we're able to pick up a few good FA's such as Landon Collins, re-sign Haha Clinton-Dix. Extend Scherff. Cut Zach Brown

 

You've got a plug and play LB in Devin White lined up next to Ferrari Foster. 

Plug and Play G in Chris Lindstrom.

Immediate PR and KR duties and potential #2 WR in Deebo Samuel. Possible #1 going forward.

Don't personally care for Will Grier but put a lot of faith in Gruden's ability to coach up QB's. 

Caleb WIlson is good value in the late 5th. 

Huge fan of Bryce Love. I don't believe he lasts this long when draft day comes around. He's got huge upside.

That would be a dream draft, and a great convergence of BPA and need. However, I’ve got to believe that Lindstrom has placed himself solidly in Rd2, and that Samuel is likely also gone before 2.14. Would love White to drop to us at 1.15, but coming off the combine performance, expect him to be top 10 too. He would probably be my top choice, alongside Hockenson or Murray at 1.15, but I half expect all 3 to be gone by the time we pick. 

 

Sorry, didn’t mean to throw cold water on what looks like an ideal draft for us, just feel like all three of those guys are trending up from where fanspeak currently has them falling!

 

PS: Just saw that in a subsequent post, that you felt the same way about them not being available at those picks. 

 

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So people are still thinking Denver takes Lock/QB despite signing Flacco?

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12 minutes ago, dyst said:

So people are still thinking Denver takes Lock/QB despite signing Flacco?

Yep.  It would be ideal to sit Lock for a year.  On the other hand, I could maybe see Denver looking to trade back to add ammo for next year’s qb crop.  

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DJ and Dion Sanders just said they are not impressed with this first group of DB's that includes Greedy and Ya-Sin.  They said all of them seem nervous and sticky.

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Just listened to Finlay. He said he knows they love Kyler. He seems to think if the Cards trade Rosen they would be all over that. If they have a chance to trade up for Murray they'd be all over that, too he thinks. Other thing he heard is there is some thought that Jones' stock is dropping and they can get him by trading up in the back half of the first.

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I'd shy away from Greedy although he's the most talented CB in this class... too often he shies away from contact/tackling on tape.

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