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      ES Coverage: Giants vs Redskins 
       
      12/9/18
       
      DEFEAT!!!
       
      Giants 40 - Redskins 16
       
      Greetings friends, JimmiJo here, and I am joined by my shivering partner, Spaceman Spiff. Together we will bring you this all important NFC East divisional matchup between the Washington Redskins and New York Giants.
       
      When I was last with you the Redskins had command of the division and there was optimism to spare. Since, devastating injuries to quarterbacks, linemen, and cornerbacks has left this team losers in 4-of-5 contests.
       
      But there is still everything to play for, and if they can manage a victory today and the Eagles to the same Washington will once again have a share of the lead.
       
      I can dream can't I?
       
      On paper, the future looks grim. A continued collapse will start the questions about the future of personnel and perhaps leadership. Yes, we can certainly point to injuries as the primary reason the team is struggling. But the record earlier in the year was masking some issues with the squad. No real arial threat. An inconsistent running game. And a defense that has been anything but consistent.
       
      But these are questions for another time. Today, it is just two teams looking for a win.
       
      See you at the half.
       
      Follow along on Twitter @Skinscast 
       
      Inactives
       
      The Redskins declared the following players as inactive:
      o   No. 12 QB Colt McCoy
      o   No. 32 RB Samaje Perine
      o   No. 46 RB Kapri Bibbs
      o   No. 52 LB Ryan Anderson
      o   No. 63 C Demetrius Rhaney
      o   No. 66 G Tony Bergstrom
      o   No. 99 DL Caleb Brantley
       
      JimmiJo
       
      I was happy to see players like Josh Johnson and Byron Marshall in the game. The marquee guys did not earn the right to play following the disastrous first half. It was historically bad.
       
      Never before had the Washington Redskins trailed by as much as the 34-0 deficit they entertained today at the half.
       
      I remarked to one of the writers that in 13-seasons I had never seen this team so outplayed as today. The offense led by Mark Sanchez was throw-up in mouth bad. At no point did you feel like they would or could score.
       
      I tweeted before the game that it is time for Daniel Snyder to replaced head coach Jay Gruden. Yes injuries are the headline. But the offense was poor before the injuries.
       
      No aerial threat and an inconsistent rushing. They only seemed to score 20-points per game.
       
      What they did do well was hold on to the ball. And the defense was a takeover machine the first half of the year.
      But turnovers tend to even out.
       
      So I was more than glad to see those ‘backups’ play. All they did was show they should have been playing in the first half.
       
      Especially Johnson. Take a look at your Redskins’ starter the rest of the way. From his first snap the offense looked different. There was energy. There was life.
       
      And there was threat.
       
      Johnson played with more command, accuracy and imagination than Mark Sanchez. He looked much more the accomplished quarterback.
       
      A word on Josh Doctson. You are an idiot. Without the stupid penalty you are not letting the safety out-position you to make the pick with 5-minutes left.
       
      Following this game, staring at the standings and considering possible scenarios for getting in the playoffs is fools’ gold. It is all about assessing who it worth keeping for next year.
       
      I don’t believe head coach Jay Gruden is going to make the list. Nor should he. He has had nore than enough time to do something here. He had Kirk Cousins’ starting over 3-full seasons.
       
      He had his chance.
       
      I tweeted before the game team owner Daniel Snyder should let Gruden go and bring in Mike McCarthy. Washington Post writer (and friend) Rick Snider made a great counterpoint to that idea:
       
      “Why would McCarthy want to come here? He has better options,” he said.
       
      That sure feels like the truth. And if so, it may explain why Gruden is fast becoming one of the most tenured coaches in the league.
       
      This was my last game for this season. I would like to thank Extremeskins and the team for the opportunity this year. I will see you guys next year.
       
      Let me go on the record now and say I do not think Jay Gruden's position here is secure. Not with the likes of Mike McCarthy available.
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Could someone with better grammar and punctuation than me please start a reason to be optimistic thread. 

Our fanbase is at the precipice looking down and we're still a month away from playing any meaningful football. 

 

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Positive energy thread, only good vibes allowed, don't bring me down bro....Everything gonna be aight....

 

Post one good thing about the Redskins or just keep quiet and focus on the good in your life. NO Fan Cards excepted. 

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I love it!  Our front seven is on its way to being elite, and I can't wait to watch them once the real games start. I am confident the other units on offense will compensate for the loss of guice.  Will be exciting to watch!

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Last year at this Time we were super excited with how Phil Taylor was looking and were relying on him to be a big part of our defensive front. 

This year despite being healthy and looking to be in great physical shape most people don't even think he'll make the roster. 

That's how much more talented our line is now. 

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17 minutes ago, redskinss said:

Last year at this Time we were super excited with how Phil Taylor was looking and were relying on him to be a big part of our defensive front. 

This year despite being healthy and looking to be in great physical shape most people don't even think he'll make the roster. 

That's how much more talented our line is now. 

 

Good point, I do wonder if He stays healthy who He can beat out? 

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In a matter of months, Guice managed to make such a big impact on his teammates. I'm giddy about his chances next year - but there's definitely a different feel about this team this year.  In a matter of months, we've become a very tight knit team and I think our defense will be nasty.

 

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" Win it all for the Guicester !!!! " 

 

< t-shirts and caps in production as we speak >

 

 

(not really, idt)

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25 minutes ago, SWFLSkins said:
Good point, I do wonder if He stays healthy who He can beat out? 

 

 

Ziggy Hood? You know, the guy that was our stater at NT last year? I think it's possible, Considering Hood is a DE

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10 minutes ago, Morneblade said:

 

 

Ziggy Hood? You know, the guy that was our stater at NT last year? I think it's possible, Considering Hood is a DE

He absolutely could beat out hood and make the roster.

My point was more about how last year he was a lock and a starter and this year he's on the bubble. 

Reason to be optimistic is all. 

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7 minutes ago, redskinss said:

He absolutely could beat out hood and make the roster.

My point was more about how last year he was a lock and a starter and this year he's on the bubble. 

Reason to be optimistic is all. 

 

Quite true, we finally drafted not one, but TWO legit NT's, after going years running a 3-4 without doing so. Progress! I certainly hope that Phil remains healthy, and we have a reason to keep him. I also hope to gawd that Hood never sees the field as a NT ever again, and if he's out there he's playing a 3-4 DE, which is his natural position. Or better yet, he's not out there much at all, because other guys are stepping up, and not getting injured.

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considering we have two legit NTs it seems unlikely an NT could beat out a DE.  Unless Taylor learns some DE or we decide that it'd be better to keep Taylor and shift Payne out to DE in an emergency

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Reasons to be optimistic:

 

1. Best/deepest roster we’ve had since 1991-1992

 

2. Good coaching staff

 

Obviously those are both subjective, but I go back pretty far and this is the most comfortable I’ve been with our organization in 25 years... and I said the same last year. I think we were a 10ish win team last year if not for the out-of-the-ordinary level of injuries. And I think we took that roster and improved it this year. 

 

I wanted to resign Kirk, but that was due in large part because I thought the alternative was going to be Colt or start over in the draft— neither of those things excited me. I was pleasantly surprised when the FO nabbed Smith who I consider a slight upgrade from KC— and I think Smith probably has 3 or so years left playing at a high level so the age difference doesn’t bother me. 

 

I also love that we’ve addressed the DL in a legitimate way and I like the OL continuity and depth. I think our recent FA signings have been smart. 

 

Lastly, I’m a huge Gruden fan. I think he’s a very meh game manager, but I feel that way about 85% of Head coaches on all levels of football. I think he’s a sharp offensive mind, a good leader, and someone that has brought stability and accountability to our organization. 

 

Being a .500ish team for three straight years matters to me... a lot. It is NOT same ole’ Redskins. Same ole’ Redskins would have been to follow a playoff season with a disaster and starting over with a new staff; probably bottoming out as one of the worst teams/rosters in the league. Now, we’ve positioned ourselves where we are good enough that we can win 10+ game if we catch some breaks... in other words we are sort of a “normal” NFL team now and I think we’ve distanced ourselves from our cellar-dweller/embarrassment past. That is a big deal to me. 

 

The injuries are discouraging but as of this very moment our roster is not decimated—

no more so than anyone else in the league at least. Last year, it got out of control. Hopefully

this year it is manageable/normal where you lose guys from time to time for a few weeks here and there, but you don’t lose your entire OL at once or things like that. 

 

I think we can win the division this year... as a matter of fact I might predict just that. I think Eagles take a step back, Boys are very average, Giants improve but also wind up

in the 8 win range. Need to see who is still standing after pre season first though. 

 

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I don't want to start a new thread but does the Guice injury buy Gruden one more year? I think he will end up being the 2nd best coach in redskins history.  Guys play for him, and i think guys are happy Kirk isn't here and his distractions

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1 hour ago, Morneblade said:

 

 

Ziggy Hood? You know, the guy that was our stater at NT last year? I think it's possible, Considering Hood is a DE

 

May the best Man win Brah...image.jpeg.3217dd573ed908d85cc820262875cf28.jpeg

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Just now, skinfan2k said:

I don't want to start a new thread but does the Guice injury buy Gruden one more year? I think he will end up being the 2nd best coach in redskins history.  Guys play for him, and i think guys are happy Kirk isn't here and his distractions

 

Depends. If we go 4-12, Nope. If we got 9-7, quite possibly.

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Thanks for this thread. need a little Chainsaw City 

 

No Bad Vibes !

 

Good opportunity for one of the rookie UDFA WR's to make the 53 with the Davis injury too.

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4 minutes ago, Morneblade said:

 

Depends. If we go 4-12, Nope. If we got 9-7, quite possibly.

Unless we have injuries to our defense on the scale of last year, I don't see 4-12 as a remote possibility.  And as previously mentioned, the players fight for Jay and play extremely hard for him.  I think that matters to the powers that be.

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1 minute ago, Rex Tomb said:

Unless we have injuries to our defense on the scale of last year, I don't see 4-12 as a remote possibility.  And as previously mentioned, the players fight for Jay and play extremely hard for him.  I think that matters to the powers that be.

 

It's possible. And to be honest, the injuries are already pilling up. However that was not the context of the answer. The person I was replying to asked if Jay would be back for another year because Guice went down. I said if we got 4-12 he won't be, but if we go 9-7 (not really much better than the last 3 years) he likely would. It was not a prediction of what would actually happen. You got that part, right?

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1 hour ago, Morneblade said:

 

Quite true, we finally drafted not one, but TWO legit NT's, after going years running a 3-4 without doing so. Progress! I certainly hope that Phil remains healthy, and we have a reason to keep him. I also hope to gawd that Hood never sees the field as a NT ever again, and if he's out there he's playing a 3-4 DE, which is his natural position. Or better yet, he's not out there much at all, because other guys are stepping up, and not getting injured.

 

I would like to keep them all MON, but you know one may have to go, and I wish him well in his travels. 

15 minutes ago, TheBlueIndian said:

Thanks for this thread. need a little Chainsaw City 

 

No Bad Vibes !

 

Good opportunity for one of the rookie UDFA WR's to make the 53 with the Davis injury too.

 

Absolutely feeling it. NICE Mon. Widespread panic, I remember you posting them before. 

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24 minutes ago, skinfan2k said:

I don't want to start a new thread but does the Guice injury buy Gruden one more year? I think he will end up being the 2nd best coach in redskins history.  Guys play for him, and i think guys are happy Kirk isn't here and his distractions

 

I am done with the bad vibe Gruden Buy or Sell, hold threads, Imma feelin migh-t-y positive MON. I think Guice changed the vibe and the set back is just a set up for good things. Gruden for sure for me deserves a hard look this year. Last year the Coaches IMO did an amazing job with the hand that was dealt to them. 

 

I wanted to see him with a different signal caller and I hope for the best. As Kleese mentioned We have some depth and some good Coaching in house. The Skins should be able to overcome past struggles in the RZ if both Reed and Thompson are available for most the year. The DL should keep the team in games. 

 

Yah Mon, It's good to be alive and moving the sticks forward. 

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39 minutes ago, carex said:

considering we have two legit NTs it seems unlikely an NT could beat out a DE.  Unless Taylor learns some DE or we decide that it'd be better to keep Taylor and shift Payne out to DE in an emergency

But there are also different types of nose tackles. 

My opinion is that daron payne and Taylor aren't really traditional giant fat bodied lane cloggers like you see in most nose tackles. 

They are more athletic and can be used in different spots along the line. 

The trade off being maybe they don't eat up as much space as guys like wilfork but I honestly think if Taylor is healthy he makes this team and they find rotational roles for him all along the front of the line. 

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20 minutes ago, Morneblade said:

 

It's possible. And to be honest, the injuries are already pilling up. However that was not the context of the answer. The person I was replying to asked if Jay would be back for another year because Guice went down. I said if we got 4-12 he won't be, but if we go 9-7 (not really much better than the last 3 years) he likely would. It was not a prediction of what would actually happen. You got that part, right?

 

Stop it MON, this is positive vibration thread, take it to the injuries threads, any or all six of dem bruddah.

 

=Come on Morne, time to lighten it up. 

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9 minutes ago, redskinss said:

But there are also different types of nose tackles. 

My opinion is that daron payne and Taylor aren't really traditional giant fat bodied lane cloggers like you see in most nose tackles. 

They are more athletic and can be used in different spots along the line. 

The trade off being maybe they don't eat up as much space as guys like wilfork but I honestly think if Taylor is healthy he makes this team and they find rotational roles for him all along the front of the line. 

 

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