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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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2 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

Apparently McGee may be out for the season ?

 

Have not seen this reported,, 

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I don't remember where I heard/read it, but I think it was reported that McGee MAY miss the BEGINNING of the season, but not the entire season.

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5 hours ago, MassSkinsFan said:

 

You mean T.J. Clemmings, Tony Bergstrom, Kyle Kalis, Tyler Catalina and Demetrius Rhaney?

 

I think we can expect better between the tackles this year.

 

Kalis I have some faith in -- love him t surprise and win the LG spot.  I recall Cooley was shocked that Catalina beat Kalis for a roster sport last year.

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I imagine McGee is going to stay on PUP, miss 9-11 weeks and might be activated if injuries occur down the line.

 

Allen, Payne, Ioannidis, Settle, Lanier, Hood, Phil Taylor, and Stacy McGee. That's 8 DL.  I think normally you keep 6.  If we cut McGee we would save 1.6 million in cap, however with how injured we were last season, why not keep him on PUP as insurance?

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19 minutes ago, Alcoholic Zebra said:

I imagine McGee is going to stay on PUP, miss 9-11 weeks and might be activated if injuries occur down the line.

 

Allen, Payne, Ioannidis, Settle, Lanier, Hood, Phil Taylor, and Stacy McGee. That's 8 DL.  I think normally you keep 6.  If we cut McGee we would save 1.6 million in cap, however with how injured we were last season, why not keep him on PUP as insurance?

Might be a weird advantage if we're able to "stash" McGee on PUP. I think we have sufficient depth. The thing McGee gives us that almost none of the others do is experience. OTOH, do you need a gray beard on the DL? Does that mean Hood stays on as the vet presence?

 

Allen, Payne, Ionadis with Settle, Lanier, and Taylor backing up is a pretty darn young group.

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4 hours ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Sorry, Crowder has done nothing to get paid in the Diggs range, if teams use that as any kind of template to measure his value next off-season, then...Trey Quinn, come on down. 

Not trying to start a back and forth but his agent won't agree, they came into the league the same year and they both have almost exactly the same stats.

 

Crowder's agent will absolutely use that contract as a benchmark going into free agency next year.

 

Personally, I would never give $40M guaranteed to a guy who has never broken 1000 yards receiving in a single season.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Alcoholic Zebra said:

I imagine McGee is going to stay on PUP, miss 9-11 weeks and might be activated if injuries occur down the line.

 

Allen, Payne, Ioannidis, Settle, Lanier, Hood, Phil Taylor, and Stacy McGee. That's 8 DL.  I think normally you keep 6.  If we cut McGee we would save 1.6 million in cap, however with how injured we were last season, why not keep him on PUP as insurance?

On a scale of 1 to 10, my stress level about the McGee injury is a 1.  That is a position with good depth, and McGee is a rotational guy.  Even if he is out for the year, the skins will not miss a beat. Only downside is the next injury on the d line might lead to a drop off, but as of now I would prefer hood over McGee for his leadership.  And if it's a situation where McGee is on pup and can come back mid year, which it seems to be at this point, then we have a fresh guy to insert for the stretch run.  Not a big deal 

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1 hour ago, JSSkinz said:

Not trying to start a back and forth but his agent won't agree, they came into the league the same year and they both have almost exactly the same stats.

 

Crowder's agent will absolutely use that contract as a benchmark going into free agency next year.

 

Personally, I would never give $40M guaranteed to a guy who has never broken 1000 yards receiving in a single season.

 

 

 

There are differences though. Diggs stats are better, if not by a significant margin. However, he's not "just a slot receiver" he's an outside receiver, and that I think is the biggest thing going for Diggs vs Crowder. Crowder can't say that, and the FO will use that against him. But I feel the same way you do, I'm not giving $40million to a slot guy that is a 700 yard/4 td per year guy.

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23 minutes ago, Morneblade said:

 

There are differences though. Diggs stats are better, if not by a significant margin. However, he's not "just a slot receiver" he's an outside receiver, and that I think is the biggest thing going for Diggs vs Crowder. Crowder can't say that, and the FO will use that against him. But I feel the same way you do, I'm not giving $40million to a slot guy that is a 700 yard/4 td per year guy.

 

Check out the stats, 200 fewer receiving yards and 3 less TD's over a 3-year span.

 

Crowder

  Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds      
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch YScm RRTD Fmb AV
Career       47 21 280 192 2240 11.7 12 55 4.1 47.7   11 34 0 11 3.1 0.7 0.2 288 2274 12 12 19
2015 22 WAS fb/wr 80 16 6 78 59 604 10.2 2 44 3.7 37.8 75.6% 2 2 0 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 92 606 2 4 5
2016 23 WAS WR 80 16 9 99 67 847 12.6 7 55 4.2 52.9 67.7% 2 -2 0 7 -1.0 -0.1 0.1 96 845 7 2 8
2017 24 WAS wr 80 15 6 103 66 789 12.0 3 41 4.4 52.6 64.1% 7 34 0 11 4.9 2.3 0.5 100 823 3 6 6


Diggs

  Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds      
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch YScm RRTD Fmb AV
Career       40 34 291 200 2472 12.4 15 59 5.0 61.8   14 36 0 12 2.6 0.9 0.4 221 2508 15 2 24
2015 22 MIN WR 14 13 9 84 52 720 13.8 4 40 4.0 55.4 61.9% 3 13 0 10 4.3 1.0 0.2 56 733 4 2 8
2016 23 MIN WR 14 13 11 112 84 903 10.8 3 46 6.5 69.5 75.0% 3 10 0 12 3.3 0.8 0.2 93 913 3 0 7
2017 24 MIN WR 14 14 14 95 64 849 13.3 8 59 4.6 60.6 67.4% 8 13 0 9 1.6 0.9 0.6 72 862 8 0 9
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On 7/29/2018 at 7:08 PM, Warhead36 said:

Meh, Desean Jackson was notorious for not giving a crap about chasing down guys after turnovers and all that.

 

If Doctson does chase a defender down and try to tackle him and gets himself hurt, then what? People trash him for being soft and getting himself injured stupidly.

 

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

We talking about practice now anyway.

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1 hour ago, JSSkinz said:

 

Check out the stats, 200 fewer receiving yards and 3 less TD's over a 3-year span.

 

Crowder

  Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds      
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch YScm RRTD Fmb AV
Career       47 21 280 192 2240 11.7 12 55 4.1 47.7   11 34 0 11 3.1 0.7 0.2 288 2274 12 12 19
2015 22 WAS fb/wr 80 16 6 78 59 604 10.2 2 44 3.7 37.8 75.6% 2 2 0 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 92 606 2 4 5
2016 23 WAS WR 80 16 9 99 67 847 12.6 7 55 4.2 52.9 67.7% 2 -2 0 7 -1.0 -0.1 0.1 96 845 7 2 8
2017 24 WAS wr 80 15 6 103 66 789 12.0 3 41 4.4 52.6 64.1% 7 34 0 11 4.9 2.3 0.5 100 823 3 6 6


Diggs

  Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds      
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch YScm RRTD Fmb AV
Career       40 34 291 200 2472 12.4 15 59 5.0 61.8   14 36 0 12 2.6 0.9 0.4 221 2508 15 2 24
2015 22 MIN WR 14 13 9 84 52 720 13.8 4 40 4.0 55.4 61.9% 3 13 0 10 4.3 1.0 0.2 56 733 4 2 8
2016 23 MIN WR 14 13 11 112 84 903 10.8 3 46 6.5 69.5 75.0% 3 10 0 12 3.3 0.8 0.2 93 913 3 0 7
2017 24 MIN WR 14 14 14 95 64 849 13.3 8 59 4.6 60.6 67.4% 8 13 0 9 1.6 0.9 0.6 72 862 8 0 9

 

Yep, just like I said. "Diggs stats are better, if not by a significant margin." Thanks for proving my point. ;)

1 hour ago, Renegade7 said:

We talking about practice now anyway.

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52 minutes ago, Morneblade said:

 

"We talkin bout practice"

 

"Not a game!"

 

I know they say practice how you play, then we see reports he's tearing it up.  We drafted him to make up for letting two 1000 yard receivers walk, so if when we need him and he's not taking that #1 WR role seriously, believe we're all smart enough to able to tell. I'm just as optimistic as I'm ready to raise hell in the 50/50 thread.

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@JSSkinz Kinda blows my mind that Diggs and Crowder and so close statiscally.  Other than fumbles (which @HTTRDynasty pointed out) we’re looking at two guys with identical output.  

 

With that being said, my own mind is continuing to get blown (or “Lewinski’d, as the kids call it) as to why I support the Diggs contract for the Vikes— but would smash my face through the drywall if Crowder got the same one. 

 

(Admittedly, I was banging the table for Tyler Lockett in that draft and was broken-hearted when I woke up from my drug-fueled-4-day-slamfest in New Orleans to find out we traded our pick to the WeeHawks.)

 

Crowder has exceeded all of my expectations up to this point and (according to everyone attending TC) this could be the season where we see him do for Smith what Santana did for Brunell.  (Getting open in space when the plays break down and playing “back-yard” ball.). Even if Crowder breaks 1,000 yards this season, I think we would be foolish to consider re-signing him to any type of mega-Diggs-deal.  

 

Ramble over/  Already looking forward to the Qult of Quinn :headbang:

 

 

 

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Am I alone in being excited to watch our running game? I know Alex Smith is the heart of the offense, but Guice and Thompson behind a pretty good/underrated OL really has me looking forward to the season. 

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4 hours ago, Bacon said:

Am I alone in being excited to watch our running game? I know Alex Smith is the heart of the offense, but Guice and Thompson behind a pretty good/underrated OL really has me looking forward to the season. 

 

Oh, all of Redskins nation are closely following the run-offense and are hoping for positive things. It was way back in 2012 when we had a great run offense, so the wait has been excruciating.

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On 7/26/2018 at 9:32 PM, EasternNCbywayofNOVA said:

Rob Kelly had a interview with Doc Walker today and he was talking about how they brought in a full back this year and the RB room feels like that shows that they want to commit to a stronger run game. I was sitting there thinking didn’t you play full back in college ?

 

I think him or Perine would be making a smart business move if they worked on playing FB. It would make our backfield that much more dynamic. 

 

Gruden just mentioned seeing if Kelley or Perine might be able to play fullback. I’m glad  Jay and I are on the same page ?

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1 hour ago, EasternNCbywayofNOVA said:

 

Gruden just mentioned seeing if Kelley or Perine might be able to play fullback. I’m glad  Jay and I are on the same page ?

 

They used Ryan Anderson at FB at times last year.. he did pretty good imo.

 

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10 hours ago, LaRonDontLikeUgly said:

Even if Crowder breaks 1,000 yards this season, I think we would be foolish to consider re-signing him to any type of mega-Diggs-deal.  

Yeah, I think Crowder and Preston Smith are as good as gone, if you look at how our FO does business they don't wait until players hit free agency before resigning them, just look at the past 3 years for precedent.

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