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2 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

Apparently McGee may be out for the season ?

 

Have not seen this reported,, 

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I don't remember where I heard/read it, but I think it was reported that McGee MAY miss the BEGINNING of the season, but not the entire season.

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5 hours ago, MassSkinsFan said:

 

You mean T.J. Clemmings, Tony Bergstrom, Kyle Kalis, Tyler Catalina and Demetrius Rhaney?

 

I think we can expect better between the tackles this year.

 

Kalis I have some faith in -- love him t surprise and win the LG spot.  I recall Cooley was shocked that Catalina beat Kalis for a roster sport last year.

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I imagine McGee is going to stay on PUP, miss 9-11 weeks and might be activated if injuries occur down the line.

 

Allen, Payne, Ioannidis, Settle, Lanier, Hood, Phil Taylor, and Stacy McGee. That's 8 DL.  I think normally you keep 6.  If we cut McGee we would save 1.6 million in cap, however with how injured we were last season, why not keep him on PUP as insurance?

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19 minutes ago, Alcoholic Zebra said:

I imagine McGee is going to stay on PUP, miss 9-11 weeks and might be activated if injuries occur down the line.

 

Allen, Payne, Ioannidis, Settle, Lanier, Hood, Phil Taylor, and Stacy McGee. That's 8 DL.  I think normally you keep 6.  If we cut McGee we would save 1.6 million in cap, however with how injured we were last season, why not keep him on PUP as insurance?

Might be a weird advantage if we're able to "stash" McGee on PUP. I think we have sufficient depth. The thing McGee gives us that almost none of the others do is experience. OTOH, do you need a gray beard on the DL? Does that mean Hood stays on as the vet presence?

 

Allen, Payne, Ionadis with Settle, Lanier, and Taylor backing up is a pretty darn young group.

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4 hours ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Sorry, Crowder has done nothing to get paid in the Diggs range, if teams use that as any kind of template to measure his value next off-season, then...Trey Quinn, come on down. 

Not trying to start a back and forth but his agent won't agree, they came into the league the same year and they both have almost exactly the same stats.

 

Crowder's agent will absolutely use that contract as a benchmark going into free agency next year.

 

Personally, I would never give $40M guaranteed to a guy who has never broken 1000 yards receiving in a single season.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Alcoholic Zebra said:

I imagine McGee is going to stay on PUP, miss 9-11 weeks and might be activated if injuries occur down the line.

 

Allen, Payne, Ioannidis, Settle, Lanier, Hood, Phil Taylor, and Stacy McGee. That's 8 DL.  I think normally you keep 6.  If we cut McGee we would save 1.6 million in cap, however with how injured we were last season, why not keep him on PUP as insurance?

On a scale of 1 to 10, my stress level about the McGee injury is a 1.  That is a position with good depth, and McGee is a rotational guy.  Even if he is out for the year, the skins will not miss a beat. Only downside is the next injury on the d line might lead to a drop off, but as of now I would prefer hood over McGee for his leadership.  And if it's a situation where McGee is on pup and can come back mid year, which it seems to be at this point, then we have a fresh guy to insert for the stretch run.  Not a big deal 

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1 hour ago, JSSkinz said:

Not trying to start a back and forth but his agent won't agree, they came into the league the same year and they both have almost exactly the same stats.

 

Crowder's agent will absolutely use that contract as a benchmark going into free agency next year.

 

Personally, I would never give $40M guaranteed to a guy who has never broken 1000 yards receiving in a single season.

 

 

 

There are differences though. Diggs stats are better, if not by a significant margin. However, he's not "just a slot receiver" he's an outside receiver, and that I think is the biggest thing going for Diggs vs Crowder. Crowder can't say that, and the FO will use that against him. But I feel the same way you do, I'm not giving $40million to a slot guy that is a 700 yard/4 td per year guy.

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23 minutes ago, Morneblade said:

 

There are differences though. Diggs stats are better, if not by a significant margin. However, he's not "just a slot receiver" he's an outside receiver, and that I think is the biggest thing going for Diggs vs Crowder. Crowder can't say that, and the FO will use that against him. But I feel the same way you do, I'm not giving $40million to a slot guy that is a 700 yard/4 td per year guy.

 

Check out the stats, 200 fewer receiving yards and 3 less TD's over a 3-year span.

 

Crowder

  Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds      
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch YScm RRTD Fmb AV
Career       47 21 280 192 2240 11.7 12 55 4.1 47.7   11 34 0 11 3.1 0.7 0.2 288 2274 12 12 19
2015 22 WAS fb/wr 80 16 6 78 59 604 10.2 2 44 3.7 37.8 75.6% 2 2 0 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 92 606 2 4 5
2016 23 WAS WR 80 16 9 99 67 847 12.6 7 55 4.2 52.9 67.7% 2 -2 0 7 -1.0 -0.1 0.1 96 845 7 2 8
2017 24 WAS wr 80 15 6 103 66 789 12.0 3 41 4.4 52.6 64.1% 7 34 0 11 4.9 2.3 0.5 100 823 3 6 6


Diggs

  Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds      
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch YScm RRTD Fmb AV
Career       40 34 291 200 2472 12.4 15 59 5.0 61.8   14 36 0 12 2.6 0.9 0.4 221 2508 15 2 24
2015 22 MIN WR 14 13 9 84 52 720 13.8 4 40 4.0 55.4 61.9% 3 13 0 10 4.3 1.0 0.2 56 733 4 2 8
2016 23 MIN WR 14 13 11 112 84 903 10.8 3 46 6.5 69.5 75.0% 3 10 0 12 3.3 0.8 0.2 93 913 3 0 7
2017 24 MIN WR 14 14 14 95 64 849 13.3 8 59 4.6 60.6 67.4% 8 13 0 9 1.6 0.9 0.6 72 862 8 0 9
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On 7/29/2018 at 7:08 PM, Warhead36 said:

Meh, Desean Jackson was notorious for not giving a crap about chasing down guys after turnovers and all that.

 

If Doctson does chase a defender down and try to tackle him and gets himself hurt, then what? People trash him for being soft and getting himself injured stupidly.

 

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

We talking about practice now anyway.

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1 hour ago, JSSkinz said:

 

Check out the stats, 200 fewer receiving yards and 3 less TD's over a 3-year span.

 

Crowder

  Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds      
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch YScm RRTD Fmb AV
Career       47 21 280 192 2240 11.7 12 55 4.1 47.7   11 34 0 11 3.1 0.7 0.2 288 2274 12 12 19
2015 22 WAS fb/wr 80 16 6 78 59 604 10.2 2 44 3.7 37.8 75.6% 2 2 0 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 92 606 2 4 5
2016 23 WAS WR 80 16 9 99 67 847 12.6 7 55 4.2 52.9 67.7% 2 -2 0 7 -1.0 -0.1 0.1 96 845 7 2 8
2017 24 WAS wr 80 15 6 103 66 789 12.0 3 41 4.4 52.6 64.1% 7 34 0 11 4.9 2.3 0.5 100 823 3 6 6


Diggs

  Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds      
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch YScm RRTD Fmb AV
Career       40 34 291 200 2472 12.4 15 59 5.0 61.8   14 36 0 12 2.6 0.9 0.4 221 2508 15 2 24
2015 22 MIN WR 14 13 9 84 52 720 13.8 4 40 4.0 55.4 61.9% 3 13 0 10 4.3 1.0 0.2 56 733 4 2 8
2016 23 MIN WR 14 13 11 112 84 903 10.8 3 46 6.5 69.5 75.0% 3 10 0 12 3.3 0.8 0.2 93 913 3 0 7
2017 24 MIN WR 14 14 14 95 64 849 13.3 8 59 4.6 60.6 67.4% 8 13 0 9 1.6 0.9 0.6 72 862 8 0 9

 

Yep, just like I said. "Diggs stats are better, if not by a significant margin." Thanks for proving my point. ;)

1 hour ago, Renegade7 said:

We talking about practice now anyway.

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52 minutes ago, Morneblade said:

 

"We talkin bout practice"

 

"Not a game!"

 

I know they say practice how you play, then we see reports he's tearing it up.  We drafted him to make up for letting two 1000 yard receivers walk, so if when we need him and he's not taking that #1 WR role seriously, believe we're all smart enough to able to tell. I'm just as optimistic as I'm ready to raise hell in the 50/50 thread.

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@JSSkinz Kinda blows my mind that Diggs and Crowder and so close statiscally.  Other than fumbles (which @HTTRDynasty pointed out) we’re looking at two guys with identical output.  

 

With that being said, my own mind is continuing to get blown (or “Lewinski’d, as the kids call it) as to why I support the Diggs contract for the Vikes— but would smash my face through the drywall if Crowder got the same one. 

 

(Admittedly, I was banging the table for Tyler Lockett in that draft and was broken-hearted when I woke up from my drug-fueled-4-day-slamfest in New Orleans to find out we traded our pick to the WeeHawks.)

 

Crowder has exceeded all of my expectations up to this point and (according to everyone attending TC) this could be the season where we see him do for Smith what Santana did for Brunell.  (Getting open in space when the plays break down and playing “back-yard” ball.). Even if Crowder breaks 1,000 yards this season, I think we would be foolish to consider re-signing him to any type of mega-Diggs-deal.  

 

Ramble over/  Already looking forward to the Qult of Quinn :headbang:

 

 

 

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Am I alone in being excited to watch our running game? I know Alex Smith is the heart of the offense, but Guice and Thompson behind a pretty good/underrated OL really has me looking forward to the season. 

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4 hours ago, Bacon said:

Am I alone in being excited to watch our running game? I know Alex Smith is the heart of the offense, but Guice and Thompson behind a pretty good/underrated OL really has me looking forward to the season. 

 

Oh, all of Redskins nation are closely following the run-offense and are hoping for positive things. It was way back in 2012 when we had a great run offense, so the wait has been excruciating.

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On 7/26/2018 at 9:32 PM, EasternNCbywayofNOVA said:

Rob Kelly had a interview with Doc Walker today and he was talking about how they brought in a full back this year and the RB room feels like that shows that they want to commit to a stronger run game. I was sitting there thinking didn’t you play full back in college ?

 

I think him or Perine would be making a smart business move if they worked on playing FB. It would make our backfield that much more dynamic. 

 

Gruden just mentioned seeing if Kelley or Perine might be able to play fullback. I’m glad  Jay and I are on the same page ?

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1 hour ago, EasternNCbywayofNOVA said:

 

Gruden just mentioned seeing if Kelley or Perine might be able to play fullback. I’m glad  Jay and I are on the same page ?

 

They used Ryan Anderson at FB at times last year.. he did pretty good imo.

 

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10 hours ago, LaRonDontLikeUgly said:

Even if Crowder breaks 1,000 yards this season, I think we would be foolish to consider re-signing him to any type of mega-Diggs-deal.  

Yeah, I think Crowder and Preston Smith are as good as gone, if you look at how our FO does business they don't wait until players hit free agency before resigning them, just look at the past 3 years for precedent.

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