hail2skins Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, The Evil Genius said: The incumbent always has the advantage. Even in a down economy (it isn't down really). For the party nomination, this is very true, and is somewhat true in a general election. But Biden is going to be 82. That is going to be a major concern with general election voters. Heck, I shudder to think what Trump's mental state is going to be like if he wins the office again (the possibility of which is much greater than it was in the immediate aftermath of 1/6/21). I almost expect that he's going to run again just to prove he can win and then step down in like 2027. Which Biden should do as well after the midterms. The best chance for Harris in 2024 if she has a couple of years in office under her belt and the inflation issue starts to turn around for the better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 The Remain in Mexico ruling is scary as hell that it was only 5-4. Of course a President should have authority to end a previous President's immigration program. Ok, I actually read it and the result was 6-3. Not as scary, but 4 of the Justices would have let the District Courts dicker around with Immigration Policy some more. How can they act like its not politically motivated? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 45 minutes ago, hail2skins said: Which Biden should do as well after the midterms. The best chance for Harris in 2024 if she has a couple of years in office under her belt and the inflation issue starts to turn around for the better. No Biden should serve one term then go enjoy retirement life in Delaware. Open field for the 2024 Democratic Primary is the best course. Handing Harris the WH after the mid terms is a guaranteed defeat for democrats in 2024. 😬 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Stolen from another commentary on the Interwebs (Lawyers, Guns and Money Blog). He is talking about the ridiculous EPA case which is pure Federalist Society porno... emphasis is mine: Quote Between this case, Shelby County, and Brnovich, as Paul says the only operative doctrine is “Democratic congressional majorities and/or presidents are not allowed to govern.” This has been the worst 8-day period in the mostly ignominious history of the Supreme Court, and it’s not an outlier — this is the new reality for the foreseeable future. The Supreme Court is at this point an incredibly malign institution that is actively destructive of American democracy. There is precious little that a 50-50 Senate is going to be able to do about it — which is one reason the Court has gotten so radical so quickly — but at a minimum Democratic elites need to recognize the problem, and see diminishing the Court’s institutional legitimacy as a goal rather than a regrettable byproduct of its conduct to be avoided. Institutions merit no inherent presumption of legitimacy; in a democracy, it must be earned. A supermajority imposing a broad policy agenda on the country although the party it represents has won the popular vote once since 1988 deserves none. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Fergasun said: The Remain in Mexico ruling is scary as hell that it was only 5-4. Of course a President should have authority to end a previous President's immigration program. Ok, I actually read it and the result was 6-3. Not as scary, but 4 of the Justices would have let the District Courts dicker around with Immigration Policy some more. How can they act like its not politically motivated? I'd bet they did this to screw over Biden and in the longer term advance the Grand Oligarch’s Party's anti-immigrant agenda. So now, Biden has to either make moderates and progressives mad by leaving the policy in place, or reverse it and watch things at the border get even worse and give the enemy an issue their base sees as first or second most important. It also allows them to cynically point to a "poison pill" ruling to prop up their claims to not being politically motivated. Edited June 30, 2022 by The Sisko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 32 minutes ago, Fergasun said: How can six people who got their job based on their willingness to lie about their political ideology until after they become untouchable they act like its not politically motivated? See if my modification helps you understand your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Califan007 The Constipated said: Make that "after attempted coup which Justice Thomas knowingly conspired in". 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long n Left Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 hours ago, gbear said: I still like Mayor Pete. Love him. Smart, direct, no nonsense, but not sure THIS America would vote an openly gay candidate to the highest position in the land/world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 hours ago, tshile said: I say no to thread. Too far out. Not enough to discuss. Wait until at least candidacies start being declared Well, Donnie, the future prisoner in chief; supposedly wants to announce as soon as the 4th. There’s the 22 thread for now. You are going to have to live under the Christian-Theocratic-Facist-gop state for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Long n Left said: Love him. Smart, direct, no nonsense, but not sure THIS America would vote an openly gay candidate to the highest position in the land/world. Agree with everything. Just a few percent of Dem voters deciding to not bother swimming the moat around their polling place, or an inspired turnout by "people who aren't prejudiced", and we're living in MAGA Land. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 56 minutes ago, Captain Wiggles said: No Biden should serve one term then go enjoy retirement life in Delaware. Open field for the 2024 Democratic Primary is the best course. Handing Harris the WH after the mid terms is a guaranteed defeat for democrats in 2024. 😬 How about fire Harris after the midterms. Have her replacement Stacy Abrams approved by New Years. Joe resigns Jan.21; giving Stacy the option of 2 full terms after finishing Joe’s term. Stacy isn’t winning this fall. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 The independent legislature topic is a little deep in the weeds for me at the moment, just meaning I haven't read up a ton on it, but basically the jist of it is, if the Supreme Court rules the way they have been, it basically means each states legislature can pretty much tell their own state supreme courts to kick rocks when it comes to election rules and they can just decide for themselves what "free & fair" elections mean. Big yikes. Unchecked power is never a good thing. Quote The theory holds that state legislatures have near-uncheckable authority to set procedures for federal elections — and state courts have either a limited or even no ability to rule on those laws. The theory is based on a pair of clauses in the constitution, the Electors Clause and the Elections Clause, that mention state legislatures but do not explicitly mention the judiciary. Republicans have increasingly promoted the theory as a way around state courts that have recently struck down redistricting maps as partisan gerrymanders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Yeah, at least my understanding of the "theory" is that no matter what a State's Constitution says about the separation of powers, when it comes to elections, power resides in the state legislature, and all other branches of government cease to exist. I assume the "reasoning" is along the lines of "well, the US Constitution, and laws, say "legislatures", and doesn't mention any other branches. And federal law trumps state laws, even state constitutions. Therefore it's legislature only, because federal rules." Which would be seriously hypocritical, coming from a court which has already ruled that "hey, federal courts cannot hear cases involving elections, even civil rights cases involving elections. Because elections are entirely state matters and are exempt from the Feds." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Allahpundit's entry on ISL: https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/06/30/aoc-this-is-now-a-judicial-coup-and-a-constitutional-crisis-n480001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, 88Comrade2000 said: How about fire Harris after the midterms. Have her replacement Stacy Abrams approved by New Years. Joe resigns Jan.21; giving Stacy the option of 2 full terms after finishing Joe’s term. Stacy isn’t winning this fall. This sounds like an awful idea. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Hey guys. Just my weekly check in to say how ****ed we all are. Apparently, it’s the liberals who should have been amassing stockpiles of weapons this whole time… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, tshile said: This sounds like an awful idea. Nah the ol switcheroo will surely get us out of our current predicament. 🤪 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 21 minutes ago, Springfield said: Apparently, it’s the liberals who should have been amassing stockpiles of weapons this whole time… Well. You were told that a while ago…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Yup, @Bang has been sayin' "best be ready" for years now. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Captain Wiggles said: No Biden should serve one term then go enjoy retirement life in Delaware. Open field for the 2024 Democratic Primary is the best course. Handing Harris the WH after the mid terms is a guaranteed defeat for democrats in 2024. 😬 Seems a little late for that now. And I don’t know how much appetite people have for a year or two of political infighting to get the nomination right now. I’m still pretty exhausted from Trump’s time and the last presidential primary was pretty rough at times. Edited July 1, 2022 by visionary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Just pointing out - this is the SCOTUS thread. And I don't think SCOTUS is picking the Dem nominee for 2024. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Larry said: Just pointing out - this is the SCOTUS thread. And I don't think SCOTUS is picking the Dem nominee for 2024. They might be picking the President again tho in 2024. 😝 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Larry said: Just pointing out - this is the SCOTUS thread. And I don't think SCOTUS is picking the Dem nominee for 2024. Fair, but they do seem to be potentially laying the groundwork for states to just "decide" to declare whoever they feel like, as the winner of their electoral votes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Just now, NoCalMike said: Fair, but they do seem to be potentially laying the groundwork for states to just "decide" to declare whoever they feel like, as the winner of their electoral votes. Then discuss that potential ruling. Not "I think Biden should fire his current Veep, then appoint somebody else, then resign, but after this date, . . . " 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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