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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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Is this the most talented yet misused defensive front we've had in years?

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26 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

I'm not worried about who gets paid and when or any of that. We'll cross that bridge when we get there.

We've seen what the bridge looks like with another certain player that I won't mention. It ain't pretty, I'll constantly be nervous about contract talks with that debacle we experienced. 

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34 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

We've seen what the bridge looks like with another certain player that I won't mention. It ain't pretty, I'll constantly be nervous about contract talks with that debacle we experienced. 

Cousins aside, we've done a pretty good job in recent years extending guys before they hit FA. See: Jordan Reed, Morgan Moses, Chris Thompson to name a few.

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1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

Our 3rd best Dlineman will have 12 sacks and get a truckload of money from someone else. 

Payne? He’s a FA in 2023 lol. Our QB may be on a rookie contract by then.

 

Don’t say Matt because he’s the best out of the three and deserves big money from us.

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Anyone remember AJ Francis talking a whole bunch of **** about us after we cut him and he signed with the Giants?

 

So glad he was kicked to the curb. 

 

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Just now, JoggingGod said:

Payne? He’s a FA in 2023 lol. Our QB may be on a rookie contract by then.

 

Don’t say Matt because he’s the best out of the three and deserves big money from us.

Yes, iaon is the 3rd best

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34 minutes ago, Rskins91 said:

Anyone remember AJ Francis talking a whole bunch of **** about us after we cut him and he signed with the Giants?

 

So glad he was kicked to the curb. 

 

Who?

 

/s

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Its l about guaranteed money. Show the love. Guaranteed money can be invested. You don't need to take out an insurance policy on guaranteed money. 

 

Its so easy to show respect your good drafted players. Just do the signing. 

 

I am really enjoying this defense as is right now, contract stuff is boring. 

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To answer the the question in the thread title, yes.

 

These guys are getting off blocks, pursuing, and tackling. They don't miss. They are strong. Some of it is great scheming, but most of it is just guys playing hard.

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I would definitely resign Ioannidis. Forgetting Payne and Allen, when was the last time we had as good a defensive lineman? Ioannidis is not easily replaceable. 


I am just catching up on watching the games. Watched the Carolina game today. We have a great front 7 for controlling the run. We don't have a great pass rushing front 7. The Giants game was deceptive I think. 

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

 

We are tied for 10th in the league in sacks. Tied with 4 other teams. You could as easily say we are tied for 15th.  And, 7 of our sacks came in one game, against one terrible OL and one QB that is terrible at avoiding pressure. Our DT's are very good at applying pressure up the middle. The team as a whole though is only slightly above average at pressuring opposing QB's.  I still think we need to add another pass rusher across from Kerrigan. At least, if we want a defense of the caliber of the recent Denver/Seattle defenses, we need to keep adding pieces.  I would love a dominant speed rusher across from Kerrigan. Could Dee ford be had for a pick?

 

If we are going to win a Super Bowl with Alex Smith, we are going to need an elite defense, and it shouldn't be too expensive to keep upgrade the OL depth a little bit and add a WR that can turn a short gain into a long one. 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Cousins aside, we've done a pretty good job in recent years extending guys before they hit FA. See: Jordan Reed, Morgan Moses, Chris Thompson to name a few.

Can't argue with you there, tough to focus on the good after that circus we've been through but this is a good point. 

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7 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

I'm not worried about who gets paid and when or any of that. We'll cross that bridge when we get there.

Provided it's not on fire. 

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I think it's actually an NFL rule instituted that anytime the Redskins have a good defense, they must have a crappy offense, and whenever they have a good offense, they must have a crappy defense. They can never have them both good at the same time. That rule has been in effect I believe for decades.

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7 hours ago, Anselmheifer said:

I would definitely resign Ioannidis. Forgetting Payne and Allen, when was the last time we had as good a defensive lineman? Ioannidis is not easily replaceable. 


I am just catching up on watching the games. Watched the Carolina game today. We have a great front 7 for controlling the run. We don't have a great pass rushing front 7. The Giants game was deceptive I think. 

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

 

We are tied for 10th in the league in sacks. Tied with 4 other teams. You could as easily say we are tied for 15th.  And, 7 of our sacks came in one game, against one terrible OL and one QB that is terrible at avoiding pressure. Our DT's are very good at applying pressure up the middle. The team as a whole though is only slightly above average at pressuring opposing QB's.  I still think we need to add another pass rusher across from Kerrigan. At least, if we want a defense of the caliber of the recent Denver/Seattle defenses, we need to keep adding pieces.  I would love a dominant speed rusher across from Kerrigan. Could Dee ford be had for a pick?

 

If we are going to win a Super Bowl with Alex Smith, we are going to need an elite defense, and it shouldn't be too expensive to keep upgrade the OL depth a little bit and add a WR that can turn a short gain into a long one. 

 

 

 

There is some merit in what you’re saying, but you forget one very important thing: every team on that list besides Pittsburgh and Detroit has played an extra game. I’d be willing to bet that after everyone has their bye, we’ll be in the top 10 for sacks, maybe top 5, if this defense keeps growing. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

I think it's actually an NFL rule instituted that anytime the Redskins have a good defense, they must have a crappy offense, and whenever they have a good offense, they must have a crappy defense. They can never have them both good at the same time. That rule has been in effect I believe for decades.

 

Maintaining a dominant unit is expensive.  Every other team is in a similar boat.  Realistically, you need about 18 good players to play top notch defense (8 linemen, 4 linebackers, and 6 DBs).  You need like 14 to play top notch offense (6 OL, 3 backfield, 5 WR/TEs).  That's 32 good players to play both top offense and defense at the same time.  And that's not considering injury depth, just rotation depth.  Everyone loses a bunch of rotation players to injury every season.  You have to crush your draft picks every year to fill out your rotations with rookie contracts to have a dominant offense and defense at the same time.  Nobody drafts well every class, not even New England.

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Yep, it's a great DLine.  If the Skins could get some production out of the OLB, i.e., Preston Smith then it would be truly elite.

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31 minutes ago, PlayAction said:

Yep, it's a great DLine.  If the Skins could get some production out of the OLB, i.e., Preston Smith then it would be truly elite.

 

14 hours ago, clskinsfan said:

 

 

you mean.... 

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26 minutes ago, OVCChairman said:

 

 

you mean.... 

He's been warming up, but 4.5 sacks in 7 games is not impressive for an OLB in 2018. That said, I think Kerrigan has been fine, just not great. Preston Smith has been very underwhelming. Zero sacks in 7 games? Come on. That just isn't getting it done. They need more pass rushing production out of that spot. I think if we let him walk and play Anderson, we lose very little. I would love a major investment in a pass rusher. That could make the whole defense nearly elite. 

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Not since the days of Mann, Manley and Butz have we had a defensive line capable of dictating the flow of a game.   We now have that.  

 

If you pressure a QB in his face early and often without blitzing...AND...you consistently stop the run...your team will win a lot of football games.  We now have that.

 

...we just turning on the stove folks...

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11 hours ago, Anselmheifer said:

I would love a dominant speed rusher across from Kerrigan. Could Dee ford be had for a pick?

He's a young stud on a great team, no chance that the Chiefs would even pick up the phone.

 

5 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said:

He's been warming up, but 4.5 sacks in 7 games is not impressive for an OLB in 2018. That said, I think Kerrigan has been fine, just not great. Preston Smith has been very underwhelming. Zero sacks in 7 games? Come on. That just isn't getting it done. They need more pass rushing production out of that spot. I think if we let him walk and play Anderson, we lose very little. I would love a major investment in a pass rusher. That could make the whole defense nearly elite. 

 

Preston has generated a ton of pressure. He has been collapsing the pocket allowing others to clean up. Fortunately, for contract negotiations, that isn't reflected on the stat sheet.

 

 

@clskinsfan The DJ/PFF thing is hilarious. 

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15 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Our 3rd best Dlineman will have 12 sacks and get a truckload of money from someone else. 

you had to go there and ruin it didn't you.  :)

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