skinny21 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 3 hours ago, nonniey said: Problem is identity politics is the biggest problem many of us have with Trump (not the only one) which obviously means the Democrats are not a viable alternative. I suppose that’s fair enough as that boils down to perception. Of course, I’m of the mindset that we have to stave off Russia and the major corruption before we worry about smaller (but still weighty) issues in our country. 2 hours ago, Kilmer17 said: Maybe the Dems should nominate a candidate a swath of Republicans/Independent voters can support. This saddens me. I mean, sure, it’s a valid way to look at per one’s perception, but shouldn’t halting the Russian advance be preeminent? To do this, we need a different president and a congress willing to stand up to the current one. You’re asking for candidates that can energize Democrats (including those to the far left), and swing Independents and a swath of Conservatives. Essentially a sound Democratic candidate that is also a better Conservative than the Conservative candidate and a better Independent than the Independent candidate. To me, the onus is on Independents and Conservatives to punish the current GOP, because this is beyond just politics and ideology, IMO. We need to right the ship before we argue the best way to store cargo, deal with mutineers or to cleat a line... 2 hours ago, Bang said: It really is cute to think republican voters that voted for Trump will do anything different. I personally know some that will... to an extent anyway. Enough to make a difference? That’s a whole lot dicier. Quote .. , and regardless, it's going to be a hard time convincing me that the results aren't already planned.. like in an office in Moscow last wednesday. I hope not, but this crew is actively trying to dismantle all obstacles to it's keeping power and pressing it's (and Russia's) agenda of dividing the free world. rigged elections are small potatoes and pretty much standard fare for totalitarians. Didn't congress just admit that 39 states may have been compromised in 2016? Play Taps. ~Bang Yeah, this absolutely scares the crap out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: How many of my favorite rich politicians were President of the United States as their first elected job? Well, I don’t know your favorites. Eisenhower was pretty solid though. As a point of comparison, highly-experienced, career politician Richard Nixon was somewhat less successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 hours ago, tshile said: The dems are going to have to nominate a stellar candidate (and not one they think is stellar, like Clinton, but one that actually is stellar) and/or they're going to have to get their people to actually show up and vote. I agree with you that not many people who voted Trump will move away from him. I also agree the Dems need a much better candidate than Clinton who can pull together the various 'progressive' and centerist factions. Neither Sanders or Clinton should even consider running again. But I fear one or both might. My hope though is around turnout. I think Trump has been so bad he will push more people out to vote who are aghast at what he is and is doing. I also hope young people continue to register to vote in record numbers. Voter turnout is going to be key, which is partly why it can't be a retread candidate for the Dems. Has to be someone younger and fresh who can be an effective anti Trump candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 37 minutes ago, nonniey said: You don't get that screaming, shouting, insulting and in some cases physically attacking the people you want to convince to vote for your side is an ineffective tactic? Or is ineffective at convincing those observing that tactic even if they aren't the target? I mean I get it, its just disingenuous at best IMO. If a person is more upset at reactions to the bull**** 45 is responsible for than 45 himself, there probably wasn't much hope of convincing that individual to switch the in the first place 14 minutes ago, PeterMP said: It seems to me that a lot of people are looking for excuses to rationalize their support of Trump (or their support of their supporters). It isn't mine/their fault. It is yours. Precisely. People in his corner just need to own the fact they like the fact that Trump is making life harder for minorities. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: Well, I don’t know your favorites. Eisenhower was pretty solid though. As a point of comparison, highly-experienced, career politician Richard Nixon was somewhat less successful. Eisenhower wasn't rich, also had served as military governor of Germany, Supreme Commander of NATO, and served in government for 35 years prior to becoming President. Your inclusion of Nixon, while a bold gambit, is laughably off base. I'm not saying all Presidents must be career politicians, I'm saying POTUS should not be their *first* job in government. I thought Obama was great, it was his 3rd job in government. State senate, US senate, President. JFK went House, Senate, President. Reagan went Governor, President. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Eisenhower wasn't rich, also had served as military governor of Germany, Supreme Commander of NATO, and served in government for 35 years prior to becoming President. Your inclusion of Nixon, while a bold gambit, is laughably off base. I'm not saying all Presidents must be career politicians, I'm saying POTUS should not be their *first* job in government. I thought Obama was great, it was his 3rd job in government. State senate, US senate, President. JFK went House, Senate, President. Reagan went Governor, President. Again sir, I admitted my triteness from the onset. Please stop crushing me. Edit: Gonna keep an eye on Cuban, tho! Edited July 9, 2018 by TryTheBeal! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 11 hours ago, LD0506 said: feel the Buzz! Not without buying me a drink first. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Not without buying me a drink first. If I'm buying then I lead when the dancing starts.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 that cop ain't **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) Man, that dude is all torn up with economic anxiety. My heart goes out to him. Am I being civil enough? Edited July 10, 2018 by TryTheBeal! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 But....Puerto Rico is an American territory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, StillUnknown said: that cop ain't **** I mean hes a cop soo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 White trash bully too stupid and useless to compete in a fair society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Friggen Jackass - Puerto Rico needs to become a state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 The cop pisses me off more than the dude does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 46 minutes ago, Llevron said: The cop pisses me off more than the dude does. He does seem a bit lazy/disinterested, of course they are damned either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Ahh, so now we are following around mentally ill old people for proof of persecution You guys never dissapoint. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, twa said: He does seem a bit lazy/disinterested, of course they are damned either way. Lame but par for the course from you. I'd say more but your comments aren't worth the time on here these days. Edited July 10, 2018 by Hersh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said: White trash bully too stupid and useless to compete in a fair society. We should kill him and all like him. /tolerance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, zoony said: We should kill him and all like him. /tolerance What's your point? We should tolerate bullies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 **** tolerance. Some people clearly don't deserve it. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Paradox of tolerance at play here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Lets start a radicalized liberal thread. Bunch of buck toothed, lard ass, non working, whining little ****es who get their marching orders from race baiting losers! Videos dont lie! /your dumbass logic /hypocritical douchebags /this is how goddamn dumb you sound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 McConnell should be accosted. Probably assaulted, too. **** all.. decades spent hurling insults and demanding a fight, Now that the other side is ready to sling back you all want to cry. Sack up and accept what you have created. ~Bang 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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