Andre The Giant Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6902405 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 "according to NFL sources" 2/3 of that was just made up, the other third was spiined to sound worse than it really is. What a load of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROSTY28 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 The whole article is crazy -- Sack master Bruce Smith cannot be deaf to the opinions of those who think he's simply hanging on to break the NFL all-time sack record. But hearing it from one of his own teammates? That's another thing. Several sources told The NFL Today and SportsLine.com that Smith and Peppi Zellner had to be separated at practice this week after the two got into a heated argument -- that nearly turned physical. According to the sources, Zellner at one point in practice said something to Smith along the lines of, "Why don't you just get your sack, so you can finally retire." Smith then fired back by asking Zellner how many sacks he has had in his career, which is obviously nearly 200 less than Smith's total. Smith also said Zellner could put his best years together and Smith's worst years are still more impressive. Ouch. Zellner then hit below the belt by insisting the only reason Smith is still on the roster is because he is social with owner Snyder. Smith, again showing a little more verbal quickness, fired back by agreeing with the younger player, then saying all he had to do is place one call to that same owner and Zellner would be kyboshed as a 'Skin. Ouch again. At that point, Zellner told Mr. Sacks he's ready to take on the old man. Smith wanted to oblige and teammates jumped in. Just another day in the nation's capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 after almost 2 full seasons, this bozo get the scoop that players are on cell phones during meetings, after earlier in the year People went wild over Boswell writing he heard laughter after a loss. No Redskin beat reporter would have found this out if it was true??? Please don't insult my intellegence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J33Edwards Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 that guys full of ****... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I'd put 10 on Peppi to win:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre The Giant Posted December 7, 2003 Author Share Posted December 7, 2003 It just seems like Spurrier runs a loose ship, and the players play like it. This article is disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Originally posted by Andre The Giant It just seems like Spurrier runs a loose ship, and the players play like it. This article is disappointing. :laugh: This article is horse:pooh: look who wrote it...... enough said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broohaha Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 i dont know about you guys but a lot of the stuff in that article seems credible and it does not bod well for our prospects if an undisciplined spurrier who is "not about to give up guaranteed money" is running things again next year... at least bruce will be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre The Giant Posted December 7, 2003 Author Share Posted December 7, 2003 I agree that the article seems credible. The team plays disorganized in a way (special teams guys running on and off the field; Lavar not prepared for the snap) that supports this article. It is disappointing, but rings true to these eyes. I am also willing to bet the source close to Lewis is Ricky Hunley (DL Coach for Skins last year; LB Coach for Cincy this year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathByLinebacker Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I have trouble believing Ricky Hunley sold Spurrier out after Spurrier brought him to the NFL from Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Beat the crap out of him, Peppi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDALERT Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Who's to say if it's true or not. Unless, any of you have a inside track of what goes on at Redskin Park. Actually, it sounds like something that could have possibly taken place. Furthermore, the Zellner remarks are all true if he did say this and bruce's remarks as well. Better yet! I think we all have the notion that Spurrier won't leave regardless of what turns out the rest of the season. So for Spurrier to make a remark about getting his guranteed money sounds like something that could have been said. unfortunately, Danny has his self to blame for these kind of remarks about money being paid to them. Danny also has the reputation of being generous in the contract department and firing coaches before they're contract is up. Face the facts, the organization has been getting f!cked by players and coaches knowing Danny doesn't exactly know any better:laugh: . NO! it's not funny, but in a way it is hilarious. Deion,Bruce,Carrier,Marty,Davis,Champ are a few names I can throw out there. So let's add Spurrier to that let's get rich quick scheme being played on Daniel Snyder. Examples: Deion knew just like everyone else he wasn't no where near worth 10 mil. So what, he signed and got out, but he did get all his money. Bruce signed for the money and the record knowing no one else was crazy enough to give him what 5mil and quality playing time to achieve his sack record. So what zellner said to him really struck a nerve. So Bruce gets the record and his money at the expense of the team and a quality DE we should have replaced him with. Davis signed a contract out of this world and no one in they're right mind could imagine us giving this to him. But don;t tell Davis that, he thought he was worth every penny and really thought he was gonna get it:rotflmao: . Now! he's very remorseful toward the organization and Spurrier for not giving him a chance to cash in on that enormous pay day. It wasn't really about him fitting in nicely with the Fun 'N' Gun, now was it. Mark Carrier didn't care, he was along for the ride and the extra money he was gonna get, but not from any one else in this lifetime. So sure, take the money and run. Marty didn't really want to coach for a owner that he trashed on National Television and made a promise that he would never coach for him, now did he? Not until them dollar signs started dancing in his head:laugh: . But believe me, he doesn't look to heart broken prancing on the sidelines during the Charger games now does he? of course not, he received his guranteed money from Snyder after being ousted. If it was me, I would have laughed all the way to the bank. Champ! well it's his turn now to cash in and milk the cash cow:cheers: why not, every one else beneath him got their money, Right? So pay Champ his outrageous demands or else, or else he's outta here with a chip on his shouder for not being paid an amount that far exceeds what Danny gave Deion,Bruce,Mark and the rest of the players. His agent put him up to it, believe it or not. Champ may have wanted something huge but not this huge until his agent convinced him Danny was a sucker when it came to dishing out signing bonuses to players on the declined. Well Champ said the agent, your on the rise so we're gonna ask for something that's only fair for a player of your caliber:shot: . Well, I the fan say tell champ and his agent to "get the F!ck outta here with that BS" Last but not least Steve Spurrier. Well, he has nothing to lose. He's in a win win situation. No matter what the outcome may be, just stick to your guns and you get paid. That means, just don't quit:laugh: . Look! after the mad spending spree that Snyder went on, Steve Spurrier saw sucker written all over Danny's face. All Steve had to do was kill Danny with kindness and "Baffle him with Bull****" what we're witnessing now on the field. Either the Fun 'N' Gun would work or it wouldn't, plan and simple. So, if the Fun 'N' Gun works, Steve is a helluva coach and is now in high demand and 5mil richer. If not, Steve's a poor excuse for a coach and 5mil richer. So I ask you, who's the loser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathByLinebacker Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 25 million richer you mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. D Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 kick bruce's ass peppi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th869 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Peppi while your stomping his head tell him to go back to Buffalo where he belongs!:hammer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDALERT Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Yes! what was I thinking, 25 mil richer. But whatever may have happen from the article posted in this thread, it sounds to me like some of it is true. It's just part of sports and situations that occur between grown men when it comes to money and ego's. Furthermore, it comes with the territory and players get fed up with bad apples that are out to satisfy themselves at the expense of the players,team and progress of the team. Better yet! younger players get fed up with older players getting paid more than they are but not earning their keep by their play on the field. I'm not trying to stir anything up and have no concrete information that the article is true. But after being around professional players in diffrent sports, I see no reason to believe something like that could not have taken place. I've witnessed worser attitudes and unacceptable behavior from ballers and professional athletes that you wouldn't believe. All sorts of fights, greed,jealousy, disrespect, fear and anger start to come to the forefront. Especially amongst the players on the same team or in the same professional league. Those guys are human just like the rest of the working population rather it's government or private sector etc. If you never witnessed it, then you can read between the lines by the play on the field or the attitudes amongst the players when things start hitting the fan. You start reading articles about one player saying things but not giving his name. Players making sarcastic remarks toward the organization or toward the play calling of coaches. You nay even read articles about players calling other players out or players questioning his teammates desire to win. It's one big dysfunctional family when things aren't going right or as planned. Shoot, we all can relate to some kind of turmoil within our own family during some time in our existence. Not saying this is all true, but for me to believe all of it is false is also untrue.:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Brown #43 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 This story doesn't shock me at all. After (I believe) the New Orleans game, a similar incident between Trotter and Bruce occurred. Trotte took Bruce to task for putting himself before the team. In that case, it actually did become physical. Bram Weinstein reported the incident on the radio, and he actually saw it happen. Apparently it was pretty ugly. Considering Bruce's attitude the last couple of years, I don't see what's so surprising about this story at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 If we were 8-5 instead of 5-8 noone would be writing this stuff. If we ever start winning games this will all go away. As long as we keep losing, the media will treat us as losers. It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 According to sources, Spurrier's meetings are often riddled with the sounds of cellular phone calls and beepers. Honestly, what NFL player still has a "beeper" on them? THAT is what makes this story not credible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Unless you guys are accusing the author of outright fabricating this stuff - something that I find VERY difficult to believe - then what is it about that information that you think is not credible? The way this team has played, which is to say waaaaaay below its talent level, speaks volumes about its level of discipline. Snyder doesn't have the balls to do it, but I'd love to see Bruce waived today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboDaMan Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Originally posted by redman Unless you guys are accusing the author of outright fabricating this stuff - something that I find VERY difficult to believe - then what is it about that information that you think is not credible? The way this team has played, which is to say waaaaaay below its talent level, speaks volumes about its level of discipline. Snyder doesn't have the balls to do it, but I'd love to see Bruce waived today. 1. Well first, there's the notorious "according to sources". I really beleive this means he did NOT just make it up, but he DID hear this as no more than an unverified rumor he's trying to give the weight of authority. 2. Think about it: "Spurrier's meetings are often riddled with the sounds of cellular phone calls and beepers". Yet the only example he can dredge up involves a security guard , not a player? Does that make sense to you that this happens all the time but he can't name a single player? 3. "(Marvin) would run the defense like an NFL team should be run, and he'd tell Coach Spurrier the way things are in the NFL," one source close to Lewis said. "If the defense messed something up, Marvin would make them do it again, or rip into them for not doing it the right way. It isn't like that now." So he spoke to a Lewis ally, who doubtless is no longer in the Redskins locker room, did not speak to Spurrier, and went ahead with this rumor. Now that's responsible journalism? 4. How do I know they didn't talk to Spurrier? Because its not in the story. When somebody did ask him about the cellphones, Spurrier set the record straight. He agreed that the guard's phone went off, even named the guy, Tony Spinoza or something like that. But he said the guard was redfaced and extremely apologetic about the incident. Would Spurrier remember the specific incident if it were commonplace? Would the guard be embarrassed if other phones went off too? I have no doubt on occasion a phone has gone off in meetings, it happens everywhere. And I have no doubt Spurrier does not react as violently as say Coughlin would. But this guy basically reported a party atmosphere during meetings, which appears to me to be false. While we're at it: "Unlike a Tom Coughlin, Spurrier's workdays are held in a much different atmosphere. One day last month, the coaches decided to change the start of practice, and phoned each player separately in order to get them to the arrive for the adjusted time. As one could imagine, such a task of locating 60 guys is not an easy one. " Please tell me what this means. If you change the practice time do you not have to contact everyone to tell them so? How would Coughlin go about it differently? Am I missing something? Finally: "If Daniel Snyder wants Spurrier to agree to a buyout after the season in order to make a coaching change, he shouldn't hold his breath." He's not holding his breath, but he is wasting it. Both Snyder and Spurrier have said repeatedly they want to give this at least another year. And there has not been a single quote from either of them to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Originally posted by JimboDaMan 1. Well first, there's the notorious "according to sources". I really beleive this means he did NOT just make it up, but he DID hear this as no more than an unverified rumor he's trying to give the weight of authority. 2. Think about it: "Spurrier's meetings are often riddled with the sounds of cellular phone calls and beepers". Yet the only example he can dredge up involves a security guard , not a player? Does that make sense to you that this happens all the time but he can't name a single player? 3. "(Marvin) would run the defense like an NFL team should be run, and he'd tell Coach Spurrier the way things are in the NFL," one source close to Lewis said. "If the defense messed something up, Marvin would make them do it again, or rip into them for not doing it the right way. It isn't like that now." So he spoke to a Lewis ally, who doubtless is no longer in the Redskins locker room, did not speak to Spurrier, and went ahead with this rumor. Now that's responsible journalism? 4. How do I know they didn't talk to Spurrier? Because its not in the story. When somebody did ask him about the cellphones, Spurrier set the record straight. He agreed that the guard's phone went off, even named the guy, Tony Spinoza or something like that. But he said the guard was redfaced and extremely apologetic about the incident. Would Spurrier remember the specific incident if it were commonplace? Would the guard be embarrassed if other phones went off too? I have no doubt on occasion a phone has gone off in meetings, it happens everywhere. And I have no doubt Spurrier does not react as violently as say Coughlin would. But this guy basically reported a party atmosphere during meetings, which appears to me to be false. While we're at it: "Unlike a Tom Coughlin, Spurrier's workdays are held in a much different atmosphere. One day last month, the coaches decided to change the start of practice, and phoned each player separately in order to get them to the arrive for the adjusted time. As one could imagine, such a task of locating 60 guys is not an easy one. " Please tell me what this means. If you change the practice time do you not have to contact everyone to tell them so? How would Coughlin go about it differently? Am I missing something? Finally: "If Daniel Snyder wants Spurrier to agree to a buyout after the season in order to make a coaching change, he shouldn't hold his breath." He's not holding his breath, but he is wasting it. Both Snyder and Spurrier have said repeatedly they want to give this at least another year. And there has not been a single quote from either of them to the contrary. EXACTLY!:applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 There's no way to know how much of this, if any, is true. However, I am a big believer that where there's smoke, there's fire. We are so screwed. We have to live through another year of SOS and Danny won't fire himself in favor of a real GM no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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