is Trumpism helping or harming the position of Christianity in America?

[China]

Christian and conservative broadcasters sue to be exempt from hate speech law

 

A group representing religious and conservative broadcasters has joined a lawsuit seeking to block a California law that requires social media companies to publish their policies on removing hate speech, Religion News Service reported.

 

“In an environment where much religious viewpoint expression is considered ‘controversial’ speech, NRB is acting to stop the weaponization of new laws against Christian communicators,” National Religious Broadcasters chief executive officer Troy Miller said in a statement, adding that the law affects its members “by having their speech repressed” and causes them to “become agents of the state for First Amendment suppression.”

 

“This is something that NRB is unwilling to allow,” the statement read.

 

The law requires companies must make transparent how they remove content that contains hate speech, disinformation, extremism, harassment and foreign political interference. Companies that don’t comply could be fined up to $15,000 per violation per day.

 

Faith-based and conservative leaning groups have joined internet freedom and tech lobbying organizations in opposing the law. Also joining the lawsuit is the conservative satire website The Babylon Bee and conservative broadcaster Tim Pool.

 

The lawsuit states that NRB “continues its work to protect the free speech rights of its members by advocating those rights in governmental, corporate, and media sectors.”

 

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[The Sisko]

 

 

On 3/2/2023 at 2:21 PM, youngestson said:

"Laws of Nature" is how it was worded. 

 

And he is right up to a point. The intent of the Enlightenment thinkers discussing natural rights is that a person has them as a result of being. There are not FROM a government. they are yours. Human rights are what people call them these days. 

 

How that relates to banning books, threatening people who don't dress as you want them to, or not allowing a free press is beyond me, but whatever.

See, that’s where “God” comes into the picture. “God” doesn’t give two flying ****s about your human rights, just your right to do what it says…as interpreted by some charlatan.

 

On 4/3/2023 at 12:37 PM, gbear said:

stuck between laughing and crying at the how do you explain these things to a 6 year old.  I can only imagine not being able to talk about slavery or sex as you try to tread the very narrow path about manservants and maidservants...It will require one heck of a game of password.

I’m stuck between laughing and crying that we’ve reached a point where Luddite morons like this are actually running the country. The only silver lining/hope I can see is the number of people, especially younger ones, who see all the religious BS for what it is and have tuned it out. However, that could take decades to show any effects and improvements.

[China]

Fox News Host: Why Try to Save Earth When Afterlife Is Real?

 

The quest to make the earth a better and more habitable place isn’t just a political fight. For one Fox News host, it’s also sacrilegious.

 

The hosts of Fox & Friends Sunday were discussing Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy’s pledge to be guided by faith if he wins in 2024, noting how religion is often referenced more by Republicans than Democrats. Co-host Rachel Campos-Duffy took that a step further, saying liberals only see Earth as the endgame while conservatives look beyond.

 

“For them, where we live right now, this place, Earth is it,” she said. “So everything’s on the line here for them. They think, as you said, they can perfect this Earth. Those of us who have faith don’t believe that, and we believe how we act here determines where we go after. And so we got to behave.”

 

Campos-Duffy also argued that conservatives tried to live “within those moral limits,” a lifestyle she purported liberals don’t abide by. “The ends justify the means is sort of the rules for radicals,” she said. “That’s not how Christians act.”

 

The virtue-signaling did not end there. The hosts discussed how religious movements were fundamental to the country and that human beings were naturally geared toward religion, offering Campos-Duffy the opportunity to equate Christianity and Islam with... climate, invoking language used by Ramaswamy and ex-Fox News host Tucker Carlson.

 

“We’re made for religion,” she said. “So if you don’t have a faith, whether it’s Hindu, Islam, Christianity, you’re going to create one. And it could be climate, or it could be yourself.”

 

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[Fergasun]

3 hours ago, China said:

Fox News Host: Why Try to Save Earth When Afterlife Is Real?

 

Co-host Rachel Campos-Duffy took that a step further, saying liberals only see Earth as the endgame while conservatives look beyond.. 

I just realized this when I was looking up "Where are they now?" information on MTVs The Real World. 

 

This is Rachel from Real World: San Francisco (the one with Puck and Pedro). She apparently married someone from Real World: Boston who was a Congressman at one point.  I just now learned they have 9 children and he resigned from Congress to literally spend more time with all those kids. 

 

Looks like they both have Fox News gigs...

[LD0506]

[China]

Southern Baptists vote to expel two churches led by female pastors

 

The Southern Baptist Convention announced Wednesday it has voted overwhelmingly to finalize the expulsion of two churches from the nation's largest Protestant denomination for having female pastors.

 

And the vote wasn't even close, according to the SBC's tally.

 

Spurred on by arch-conservatives in the SBC, the 12,000 or so "messengers" who had gathered at their annual meeting in New Orleans voted by a 9-to-1 margin to seal the exit of California's Saddleback Church and a smaller congregation in Kentucky.

 

That vote, which was conducted Tuesday, set the stage for another vote Wednesday to amend the SBC's constitution to specify that Southern Baptists churches must “affirm, appoint or employ only men as any kind of pastor or elder as qualified by Scripture.”

 

That too passed with a two-thirds majority and will go into effect after it is approved at the next annual SBC meeting.

 

Sarah Clatworthy, a member of Lifepoint Baptist Church in San Angelo, Texas, who has called on the SBC “to shut the door to feminism and liberalism," said she supported the ban on woman pastors.

 

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[GhostofSparta]

1 hour ago, China said:

Southern Baptists vote to expel two churches led by female pastors

Makes sense. Those female pastors haven't raped/sexually assaulted nearly as many children as their male counterparts have. Dragging the average of the whole convention down. So glad the SBC has their eyes on the right goals.

[LD0506]

[The Sisko]

On 6/4/2023 at 10:45 PM, China said:

Fox News Host: Why Try to Save Earth When Afterlife Is Real?

 

The quest to make the earth a better and more habitable place isn’t just a political fight. For one Fox News host, it’s also sacrilegious.

 

The hosts of Fox & Friends Sunday were discussing Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy’s pledge to be guided by faith if he wins in 2024, noting how religion is often referenced more by Republicans than Democrats. Co-host Rachel Campos-Duffy took that a step further, saying liberals only see Earth as the endgame while conservatives look beyond.

 

“For them, where we live right now, this place, Earth is it,” she said. “So everything’s on the line here for them. They think, as you said, they can perfect this Earth. Those of us who have faith don’t believe that, and we believe how we act here determines where we go after. And so we got to behave.”

 

Campos-Duffy also argued that conservatives tried to live “within those moral limits,” a lifestyle she purported liberals don’t abide by. “The ends justify the means is sort of the rules for radicals,” she said. “That’s not how Christians act.”

 

The virtue-signaling did not end there. The hosts discussed how religious movements were fundamental to the country and that human beings were naturally geared toward religion, offering Campos-Duffy the opportunity to equate Christianity and Islam with... climate, invoking language used by Ramaswamy and ex-Fox News host Tucker Carlson.

 

“We’re made for religion,” she said. “So if you don’t have a faith, whether it’s Hindu, Islam, Christianity, you’re going to create one. And it could be climate, or it could be yourself.”

 

Click on the link for the full article

This is not only patently dumb, I’m pretty sure the concept is explicitly forbidden somewhere in the bible or at least dogma.   If this idea were true, Xtians would be stupid not to kill themselves right away. After all, doing anything to prolong one’s life just delays the entrance to heaven.

 

As for the last paragraph, it’s funny that she seems to inadvertently paraphrase Voltaire, who, while not exactly an atheist, wrote a bunch of stuff that seemed to low key seriously consider it.

 

Ultimately she’s close to being right about us being our own “gods”. I sometimes joke with my family when they say something like “Oh god/Jesus!” by responding with “What do you need now?”😂😂

[The 12th Commandment]

9 minutes ago, The Sisko said:

This is not only patently dumb, I’m pretty sure the concept is explicitly forbidden somewhere in the bible or at least dogma.   If this idea were true, Xtians would be stupid not to kill themselves right away. After all, doing anything to prolong one’s life just delays the entrance to heaven.

 

As for the last paragraph, it’s funny that she seems to inadvertently paraphrase Voltaire, who, while not exactly an atheist, wrote a bunch of stuff that seemed to low key seriously consider it.

 

Ultimately she’s close to being right about us being our own “gods”. I sometimes joke with my family when they say something like “Oh god/Jesus!” by responding with “What do you need now?”😂😂

Pretty much a tacit pro-abortion argument, isn't it.

[LD0506]

[The Sisko]

Forget buying them. Just capture and enslave them. I’m sure the fundies would counsel them to be good and faithful servants.

[China]

Evangelical Christian voters in Iowa love Trump. Can another Republican win them over?

 

Former President Donald Trump is skipping an Iowa summit for evangelical Christians where the state's governor will sign a strict abortion ban on stage Friday. Evangelical voters are an important voting bloc in the first-in-the-nation caucus state, so any Republican who hopes to win the nomination over Trump has to win these voters first.

 

One path to the evangelical voter? Abortion.

 

Iowa's Republican Gov. Kim Reynolds called a special legislative session Tuesday to pass a six-week abortion ban. The six-week ban is nearly identical to one she signed in 2018 that was blocked by the courts. The Iowa Supreme Court deadlocked and kept an injunction on that law in place this summer. Iowa abortion providers filed a lawsuit Wednesday seeking to block the enforcement.

 

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[China]

On 7/14/2023 at 2:59 PM, China said:

Evangelical Christian voters in Iowa love Trump. Can another Republican win them over?

 

Former President Donald Trump is skipping an Iowa summit for evangelical Christians where the state's governor will sign a strict abortion ban on stage Friday. Evangelical voters are an important voting bloc in the first-in-the-nation caucus state, so any Republican who hopes to win the nomination over Trump has to win these voters first.

 

One path to the evangelical voter? Abortion.

 

Iowa's Republican Gov. Kim Reynolds called a special legislative session Tuesday to pass a six-week abortion ban. The six-week ban is nearly identical to one she signed in 2018 that was blocked by the courts. The Iowa Supreme Court deadlocked and kept an injunction on that law in place this summer. Iowa abortion providers filed a lawsuit Wednesday seeking to block the enforcement.

 

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Iowa evangelicals feel under attack — and many don’t see Trump as their savior

 

When a group of 18 evangelical Christian voters gathered here pondered whether they thought Donald Trump won the 2020 presidential election, 15 of them raised their hands. But that doesn’t mean they’ll be caucusing for the former president in January.

 

That was one of the headline findings of a focus group convened by GOP pollster Frank Luntz on the eve of the Family Leadership Summit, an evangelical gathering that drew a host of non-Trump Republican presidential candidates to Iowa Friday.

 

Luntz assembled the focus group of Des Moines-area voters on behalf of the Family Leader using basic criteria: They needed to consider themselves either “conservative” or “strongly conservative,” attend church at least once a week, and identify as either born-again Christian or evangelical. It’s a group with enormous influence over the outcome of next year’s Iowa caucuses — and it’s a group that is fond of Trump but not completely wedded to him.

 

“It feels like at some point he swallowed a fifth grader that’s always trying to get out. These insults toward people keep coming out of his mouth.” said Patti Parlee, 65, from Urbandale.

 

Recent Iowa caucuses prove that to win the state, candidates must first win over evangelicals. Sixty four percent of voters in the 2016 Iowa caucus identified as evangelical or born-again Christians. And Texas Sen. Ted Cruz outperformed Trump with evangelicals by 12 points in 2016, according to the NBC News exit poll, propelling Cruz to an early victory.

Likewise, in 2012 and 2008, evangelical voters preferred caucus winners Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee. 

 

So far this year, evangelicals nationally favor Trump: The former president took 54% support from evangelicals in NBC News’ most recent national GOP primary poll, compared with 26% for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. No one else was in double digits.

 

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[Cooked Crack]

 

[China]

These Christian Nationalists Want to Stone Adulterers to Death

 

THE PODCAST SETUP at first appears familiar: a pair of white dudes, mic’d up at a table, wrestling out loud with big ideas. But the conversation between the two men veers, without guardrails, into a dystopian vision of a Christian nationalist America, in which the laws of the Old Testament have been substituted for the constitution and the community is responsible for executions, including for people who cheat on their spouses.

 

Those executions, the men propose, should be done by stoning, the public act of hurling rocks at a condemned person until they are bludgeoned to death.

 

“Stoning is appropriately barbaric,” argues Luke Saint, the author of the Sound Doctrine of Theocracy and a recent guest on the podcast of the Lancaster Patriot, a far-right publication based in Lancaster Pennsylvania, an hour-and-a-half drive west of Philadelphia.

 

“That means there’s no closed doors. There’s nothing in the back room, where you’re just executed quickly and quietly — out of the sight of the public,” he adds. With stoning, Saint advocates, “Everyone knows who the accuser is. And everybody knows who the victim is. Everyone knows who the perpetrator is. Everything’s out in the open.”

 

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[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

Those guys must’ve stopped reading their bibles sometime right around the book of Malachi. There’s a pretty famous story in that whole New Testament (you know, the part with Jesus) specifically about this subject.

 

I don’t suppose they believe Trump should be stoned to death for cheating on all three of his wives and bragging about screwing countless other married women though.

Edited July 30, 2023 by Sacks 'n' Stuff

[Renegade7]

28 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Those guys must’ve stopped reading their bibles sometime right around the book of Malachi.

 

Let's be honest, most Christians haven't read the whole Bible, let alone enough to formulate their own opinion about it versus picking and choosing what they like completely out of context to sound Chrisatian and/or support their worst intentions.

[Fergasun]

I am not sure what it is, but "Son of Fergasun" and his pal get a lot of right wing nationalism pushed on them / consume Andrew Tate and we have a lot of really odd fleshed out arguments/discussions that I feel they heard on the Internet and it doesn't sound like it is something they just thought of organically. 

 

I am sure in a few days they will talk about stoning and OT retribution needing to make a comeback.

 

"We should let Russia keep Ukrainian land because that's how things used to be done.  If a country wants to expand by force, that's okay."

 

"Racism is perfectly natural, not taught..." (actually this was interesting because I explained that racismn can be reinforced or anti-racism could be taught")

 

"We shouldn't pay attention to climate change because we shouldn't let others control themselves"

 

Additionally, there's a lot of casual antisemitism they are exposed to (in addition to racism and misogyny). 

[Cooked Crack]

 

[Cooked Crack]

 

[China]

Pastor alarmed after Trump-loving congregants deride Jesus' teachings as 'weak'

 

Evangelical Christian leader Russell Moore revealed this week that many evangelical pastors have become alarmed that their Trump-loving congregants have become so militant that they are even rejecting the teachings of Jesus Christ.

 

In an interview with NPR, Moore said that multiple pastors had told him disturbing stories about their congregants being upset when they read from the famous "Sermon on the Mount" in which Christ espoused the principles of forgiveness and mercy as central to Christian doctrine.

 

"Multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching — 'turn the other cheek' — [and] to have someone come up after to say, 'Where did you get those liberal talking points?'" Moore revealed. "And what was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, 'I'm literally quoting Jesus Christ,' the response would not be, 'I apologize.' The response would be, 'Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak.'"

 

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[Bang]

Why, hello Frankenstein, I'm your creator Vict>ack!<


Guess you shoulda been paying attention to your flock for the last.. oh 15 ****ing years or so..

 

~Bang

 

[Larry]

1 hour ago, Bang said:

Guess you shoulda been paying attention to your flock for the last.. oh 15 ****ing years or so..

 

30.  At least.  

 

 

 

[Captain Wiggles]