Tony Dungy

[DCdemolition]

Tony Dungy signed a 5 year $13 million contract. Snyder gave Spurrier, who is inexperienced and unproven, $25 million for 5 years, essentially 32.5 million is what he is paying him if you add in what he owes marty. <br /><br />Tony Dungy was a steal for $13million. at the same time I think Dan Snyder is not a good contract negotiator. Think about the contract he gave Jeff George and Deion. I'm sure owners around the league despise him for running up the pay scale... I also don't understand why he has to increase the pay scale soooo much - he could have gotten spurrier for a $3.5 - $4 million a year.<br /> <br /> [ January 23, 2002: Message edited by: DCDemolition ]

[Cskin]

when you see the production of our offense next year, and we're being considered year after year as a superbowl contender, $5mil a year will be peanuts. <br /><br />Also, remember that the Redskins are the most profitable NFL team as well. Plus...in relation to Indy....we're talking about a porche to a hyundai.

[indyskinsfan]

Uh Hum, Uh CSkin, can you make that at least a Mazda Protege <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />Now, I do agree the difference will be an intangible that Dungee doesn't have. <br /><br />Being a HEAD Coach in College as long as he has been, counts for something..Yes the famed Lou Holtz, who graced the heavens and lightly touched down to an NFL franchise, only to be shocked out his wits, was an exception for these reasons.<br /><br />1. His generation of football was STILL practiced at Notre Dame, when he left for the pros. That gap of time and of the type of MEN he would face in the lockerroom, needed more than, feel good speeches, rah, rah drama and the like. He encountered men who appeared to him, to be straight out of Sing Sing or Alcatraz, as far as the hood goes and compared to where he was at in Notre Dame. Unfortunately, these turned out to his STAR players, who were sinners, all of them <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> , and no snotty noses.<br /><br />2. The amount of distractions in the NFL is only matched by Hollywood, something Holtz, never got a whiff of unless he was at the Coliseum, trying to blungeon the Trojans into the ground. The Deionesque atmospheres, b*tches in soft rides waiting on their man for the one nighters, then the players strolling in late for meetings, adjusting their belts, made his attempt at discipline a living hel*! The field discipline was unspeakable. He just didn't inherit what Spurrier did. <br /><br />3. The strategies tied into a football game, the long, long, process of getting everything ready for the season, took it's toll on a man that had already been grandfathered by time. Unlike McKay in Tampa Bay, with his attempt, Lou Holtz was withered in a year. Steve Spurrier is a spring chicken compared to both of them!<br /><br />4. Younger coaches crossing the threshhold seem to have more success, and the fact it is the age and cultures that Spurrier can relate to that helps him connect, while at the same time staying on course. Spurrier is a master with distractions, as he disciplines the players within themselves, having a certain degree the reigns are pulled in only when he sees one may go astray. Of course he's not god, so he can't stop a horny player or angry driver that's a player from some senseless act away from the field. However, he connects with what they do best and how to fit it all together, while being innovative, something Lou Holtz did well, only on occasion. So Erickson and Holtz will always be brought up this year as the stick his detracters (albeit Florida State fans - Deion, etc.) will measure him by. The only stick they will be measuring in Washington is how far before the next touchdown!<br /> <br /> [ January 23, 2002: Message edited by: indyskinsfan ]

[bulldog]

well, the other things to consider are:<br /><br />1. Tony Dungy is a low key personality and with players like Manning, Harrison and James on the team he isn't being expected to sell any tickets by himself, whereas Spurrier by his more outgoing personality and colorfulness is a marketing asset and he is in part being paid for that. Remember also that comparatively the Redskins don't have the types of mega media star players as some other teams. There is no Dan Marino or John Elway here, yet. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />2. Dungy, while showing a good career record of solid play by his teams, has come up short in the playoffs and there is a question as to whether his defensive style, a la Marty, is suited to winning the Super Bowl. With Spurrier, he doesn't have a pro record, but his 'upside' as they call it is considerable when taking into account his preferred style of play and record with other programs in his career.

[Larry]

Y'know, I've heard that complaint (casn't win the big one) about a lot of people: Marty, Dungy, Elway, Levy, . . . <br /><br />Where in the world did people come up with this idea that, of the 12 teams in the playoffs, 11 of them need new coaches because they didn't win the Super Bowl? When did it becone acceptable to win a trophy one year, and have losing seasons for 3 years out of five, but winning 10 games, and one playoff game, a year, for five years in a row, brands a guy as a loser? <br /><br />Dallas has won a Super Bowl in the last 10 years (I think), and we haven't. Does that make them a better team (right now)? (After all, no other criterion can be used to judge the quality of a team: Only Super Bowl wins will be counted). Was Atlanta a better team in the 90's than the Skins were? (I sure think we won more games).

[SkinsThug]

I think Snyder, like most average fans, favors the offense; that is, he loves big runs, long bombs, gimmicky plays, and SCORING. That is what makes the highlight films, and that is the stuff most people WANT to see.<br /><br />Spurrier will provide that, and possibly some playoff appearences. Spurrier will make Redskins football fun to watch, even if we don't always win. Snyder wants that element back in the mix.<br /><br />Dungy (and Dungyball) is the polar opposite to that. As with Marty, it's 3 yards and a cloud dust, with a constant prayer issuing skyward that the offense NOT turn over the ball. Let's face it, for the average fan that type of offense can be pretty boring. <br /><br />If Spurrier brings that excitmement back, then the $25 million is money well spent.

[bulldog]

what it comes down to is not whether a guy is an offensive mind or a defensive mind. what it comes down to is whether a HC is going to come face to face with his own limitations as Joe Gibbs and Bill Walsh did and go with capable defensive coaches on the other side of the ball, or is that HC going to be more stubborn like Marty and believe that a significant delegation of authority is not necessary to be successful.<br /><br />Spurrier has shown so far that while he has an ego to be sure, it is not limiting him from realizing he won't be a success in DC all by himself.<br /><br />That is refreshing after the short reign of Martyus Caesar <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[Romo]

im glad Dungy ended up at Indy. I think he will do well there. Im not sure I would want him coaching the Skins, no disrespect to him, but it would be the same situation at it was in TB, good D no O. I like the hiring of Spurrier even if $5 million is alot but Snyder likes to overspend.

[bulldog]

what people tend to forget is that JKC overspent too, but on quality.<br /><br />we will have to see what kind of hire Spurrier turns out to be. if he leads the team to a Super Bowl or two it will be worth the money irregardless of what his peers are making.<br /><br />Back to Cooke. When Cooke was the owner of the Lakers he spent sums to bring Wilt Chamberlain and then Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to LA to form the backbone of championship teams. He did the same thing in sending a cash payment along with Gail Goodrich to get the pick that ended up being Magic Johnson.<br /><br />In Washington, Cooke lured Beathard away from Miami. I remember that Beathard got a large raise from what he was making with the more tight-fisted Dolphins under Joe Robbie.<br /><br />Then you can look at certain moves for players. The Redskins traded for Gerald Riggs who ended up being paid starters money for a couple of years when he ended up being the team's short yardage and goal line back in 1990 and 1991.<br /><br />Anyone remember Wilber Marshall and his $6 million free agent contract? At the time he was the highest paid defensive player in the NFL.<br /><br />It is not the money but the success of the moves that are important in the long run.<br /><br />Add a player or coach that helps you win a championship and it is a good move, fail to win and no one will remember anything other than the record of falling short.<br /><br />No one mentions the 10 sack season and fine first half that Bruce Smith had last year because the Redskins didn't win the division and go deep in the playoffs.<br /><br />If the team had lived up to its expectations otherwise, Smith would probably have been in the Pro Bowl and the move to sign him, despite being for the relatively short-term, would have been hailed as a master stroke.

[PCS]

Well, certainly Dungy being hired by the Colts is a feel good story. He really did deserve another opportunity to coach, for many of the reasons already stated on this thread. One thing I'll add is that according to the media(yea I know), reports when he was first hired, Irsay was not going to lose a bidding war for Dungy. The same can be said for the hiring of Spurrier. I don't think that DBL. S's main reason for being in Washington was money, however the fact remains that Dan Snyder was going to make sure that he wasn't going to lose out because of it. <br /> Bidding was higher for Spurrier than for Dungy for, again, many of the reasons already stated. I like Dungy and hope he does well in Indy.....till they play the Skins.

[SB33]

I too am glad that Tony Dungy has got another HC job. He is a fine gentleman and will be successful there(get into the playoffs). For Indy, that will make the fans estatic. However he is an offspring of Marty, and I do not believe he will be any more successful there than a Tampa.

[Stricknine]

I definitely thought that Dungy and the Colts were a good match. A coach you can't help but like and a team that anybody who is not a fan of another AFC East can't help but like. There was also the fact that they have a great offense and were sorely lacking on defense, which is Dungy's specialty.<br /><br />I am starting to fear for them though because I saw where Dungy is actually bringing a lot of his offensive assistants with him. OC of the Bucs, Clyde Christiansen, will be QBs coach. I hope that Tony leaves Tom Moore alone (except for their game in D.C. of course <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> ) and lets him run the offense. Which, by the way, could be what Christiansen needs...a good tutor.

[indyskinsfan]

Randy Redskin here is truth table for those that don't see it the way you, others and I may see it in Indy.<br /><br />Aside from playing the Skins, Rams and someone else, you will not see the Colt's offense asleep at the wheel. This was the #2 Offense in the NFL with a OL that blocked for an off the street 1,000 yard rusher. I believe you will see MORE offense, since Mora will be running the offense exclusively, while Dungy focuses on defense and he repeatedly stated that. He is using an old OC as the QB's coach for familiarization and translation as Peyton Manning is four times what King was and double that of Brad Johnson. He knows that Manning knows as much as some QB coaches in the league and he's still learning, so he'll need someone that knows him (Dungy) and someone to convert the "on-field" strategies Manning and Mora are still using. After all the Colts' offense will NOT change and Edgerrin James will be back sooner than later. James already was among the leaders two years in a row with carries, yds per, td's, 3rd down conversions, receptions, least fumbles and yardage,whether rushing or combined.<br /><br />Dunn and Bradstreet, er I mean, Alstott did "combine" for something close to that, but now the Colts have TWO that do the same things - TWINS!!!<br /><br />at WR, it's Pathon, Wayne, Wilkins and yes <br />MARVIN HARRISON. Dungy doesn't need to do a thing but watch the offense do their thing and stop the other team from doing theirs.<br /><br />He will not make it Marty ball and made that clear. That game between him and Spurrier in the regular season may be a good chess match.

[Art]

Let me just point out that Dungy, who is less successful as a head coach that Marty, just got a contract from the Colts than what Marty got to come here and get over paid to be seduced by Snyder's money to work for Washington.<br /><br />I'm very happy Dungy got a job as well as it just sticks it to the Bucs for him to land with a team with that talent, but, why is no one talking about the huge money Dungy is making when they were talking about the money Marty made, as if he was making all that much?