What do you Believe??? (Religion)

[Zguy28]

1 hour ago, Dont Taze Me Bro said:

 

I loved all the episodes with Q lol

So did I. But can you imagine how annoying it would be if you were Picard? Hahaha

Edited March 29, 2018 by Zguy28

[Momma There Goes That Man]

I guess my point is that it cheapens God if he only created humanity/earth but not aliens that are zipping around the galaxy. Who is also so powerful as to create them and if they have advanced technology they were either created far earlier than "our creator" or by somebody more powerful that created smarter more evolved creatures. 

 

It seems like either God created aliens or aliens can't exist.

 

Or God is an alien, in which case, he is not a true God as taught in religious texts like the bible. 

[Zguy28]

If He is God (a maximally supreme being who exists apart from His creation), He makes the rules. If He chooses to make aliens, so be it. If not, so be it also.

 

I don't think it cheapens God at all, unless you want ET's to exist. And that isn't wrong to want it to be true.

Edited March 29, 2018 by Zguy28

[Renegade7]

1 hour ago, thinwhiteduke said:

Lol The guy by the wall must have said something, to get the timing right.

If you look closely, you can see him slightly knock on the wall before the other guy steps out : )

[Momma There Goes That Man]

2 hours ago, Zguy28 said:

If He is God (a maximally supreme being who exists apart from His creation), He makes the rules. If He chooses to make aliens, so be it. If not, so be it also.

 

I don't think it cheapens God at all, unless you want ET's to exist. And that isn't wrong to want it to be true.

 

I think it cheapens him (actually speaking strictly of Christian God in this case as that is my only experience) if he made us but didn’t make aliens. It raises more questions than it answers and removes him as the sole planner and overseer of all of creation, which is is my understanding what Christians believe he is  

[Renegade7]

I don't think you can have your cake and eat it too on this issue either.  If God created the universe and everything in it, then he's responsible for creating aliens as well.  Did he have a similar relationship with other aliens as he does with us, I don't think so, we sound like his personal pet project, imo.  This is based on what we know, though, that's almost an unnerving possibility when considering how open he was to supporting his followers in their endevours towards conquering land they felt was promised to them in OT.

Edited March 29, 2018 by Renegade7

[thinwhiteduke]

9 hours ago, PeterMP said:

 

There are two fundamental problems with your argument:

 

1.  Based on known history, the part of your post about the Christian Bible is false, especially with respect to the New Testament.  There might be some parts of the New Testament that were later add ons, but even taking those parts out don't fundamentally change the message of the New Testament.  Even if you take somebody like Bart Ehrman's work and take out the parts of the New Testament that he says were later additions, you don't really change the message of the New Testament.

 

Certainly, I can understand people arguing if the resurrection happened, but to claim that the information was not original to the Christian community and the general historical information in the New Testament as accurate ignores the best current research on the Bible, even by non-Christians.

 

2.  A quick look at history and current practices shows you are wrong.  From Ghandi in India, Buddhist monks in Vietnam, to the Quakers as abolitionist, to Martin Luther King Jr and the Civil Rights movement, to the role of the Catholic Church in ending communism and oppression in Eastern Europe.  Even Jesus and his movement.

 

In fact, the most oppressive states that try and maintain the most subservient nature of their population (e.g. North Korea) do everything they can do to limit religious expression.

 

You are simultaneously ignoring the best current scholarship on the Bible and ignoring commonly known history.

Not exactly  sure what you mean. If you mean the bible  got location and time periods right,what difference  does that make? Either the stories are true or they arent. Common sense says they aren't. 

All youre saying is you believe pro bible/Christian propaganda. There is no proof  Of any Christian truth. An all knowing creator who loves me ,,purposely made himself a doubtful mystery..so I have to fear winning a life contest to get to a heaven or hell for eternity?  People had to burn livestock to make a omnipresent being happy? are there really books missing or is that just a hoax to? You have no way to answer any of this. Faith and belief are useless life tools.  I know that's a fact because I've used them first hand.

 

What's your number two part mean? What does that have to do with bible belief and proof?

Edited March 30, 2018 by thinwhiteduke

[PeterMP]

1 hour ago, thinwhiteduke said:

Not exactly  sure what you mean. If you mean the bible  got location and time periods right,what difference  does that make? Either the stories are true or they arent. Common sense says they aren't. 

All youre saying is you believe pro bible/Christian propaganda. There is no proof  Of any Christian truth. An all knowing creator who loves me ,,purposely made himself a doubtful mystery..so I have to fear winning a life contest to get to a heaven or hell for eternity?  People had to burn livestock to make a omnipresent being happy? are there really books missing or is that just a hoax to? You have no way to answer any of this. Faith and belief are useless life tools.  I know that's a fact because I've used them first hand.

 

What's your number two part mean? What does that have to do with bible belief and proof?

 

1.  Well, if your requirement for doing or believing anything is proof, you will never do or believe anything.  You can't prove the sun is yellow.  You can't prove the next time somebody steps on the gas peddle of  a car you are in it isn't going blow up.  But I doubt you'd bother to argue with anybody that claimed the sun is yellow, and I doubt the next time you have to go somewhere, you aren't going to get into a car.

 

2.  You said that religion was created to keep people subservient.  Religion has a long and broad history of making people not be subservient.  Ghandi wasn't subservient.  Martin Luther King Jr. were not subservient.  When we look at places where people want to keep people subservient, what we see is are efforts to stamp out religious expression.

Edited March 30, 2018 by PeterMP

[Epochalypse]

Since this discussion is going this way...

 

What if aliens were interpreted by our ancestors as angels?

 

There is contact between angels and man documented in the bible. What if aliens are God's angelic servants?

 

Elijah being taken up into the sky on a chariot...

 

[Renegade7]

1 hour ago, Epochalypse said:

Since this discussion is going this way...

 

What if aliens were interpreted by our ancestors as angels?

 

There is contact between angels and man documented in the bible. What if aliens are God's angelic servants?

 

Elijah being taken up into the sky on a chariot...

 

In "Childhood's End", the aliens who came to guide our species forward was sent by someone else far ahead of where they were themselves.

 

In Rosemary's Baby, in the book I don't even remember them talking about her actually getting pregnant, in the movie she thought it was a dream and later realized she was just barely lucid. 

 

I think we may be in uncharted territory if we're talking about using Aliens to fill in the blanks of the Bible.  Not gonna lie, not sure how comfortable I feel about that one.

 

If we're going to go there, then I'm going to eventually bring up spooky action at a distance occurring in our own brain in relation to atoms matched together as one regardless of what goes on around them (scientific theory of a soul).  A lot of people said what they believe.  If ya'll want to talk about combining theories to figure out what makes the most sense, I'm for that, too.  

 

Think I'm going to lean towards talking about what we do know, but I'll still comment, because I see where this is going, and its not a bad thing.

Edited March 30, 2018 by Renegade7

[The Sisko]

 

17 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

...If God created the universe and everything in it, then he's responsible for creating aliens as well.  Did he have a similar relationship with other aliens as he does with us, I don't think so, we sound like his personal pet project, imo...

Humanity is god’s slow kids. ?

 

15 hours ago, PeterMP said:

 

2.  You said that religion was created to keep people subservient.  Religion has a long and broad history of making people not be subservient.  Ghandi wasn't subservient.  Martin Luther King Jr. were not subservient.  When we look at places where people want to keep people subservient, what we see is are efforts to stamp out religious expression.

I’d argue in these cases that the dictator is seeking to substitute himself for god as a means to control the populace. A perversion to be sure, but it’s still religion if you ask me.

[PeterMP]

Just now, The Sisko said:

 

Humanity is god’s slow kids. ?

 

I’d argue in these cases that the dictator is seeking to substitute himself for god as a means to control the populace. A perversion to be sure, but it’s still religion if you ask me.

 

Well, Ghandi nor MLK were in countries where there were even dictators.

[The Sisko]

I didn’t mean social/political leaders that rise up in response to repression. I was thinking of dictators like Kim, Stalin, etc. 

[LadySkinsFan]

Since it's Easter weekend, I'll leave this right here! 

 

 

[LadySkinsFan]

For today.

 

 

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

On 3/29/2018 at 8:25 PM, PeterMP said:

 

1.  Well, if your requirement for doing or believing anything is proof...

You haven’t been keeping up. Both of these things are simultaneously true.

 

1. You can’t prove anything (science, history, and research be damned) and nothing you say is true.

 

2. He is free to throw out every ****amamie conspiracy theory under the sun with absolutely zero proof, and everything he says is true.

[thinwhiteduke]

1 hour ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

You haven’t been keeping up. Both of these things are simultaneously true.

 

1. You can’t prove anything (science, history, and research be damned) and nothing you say is true.

 

2. He is free to throw out every ****amamie conspiracy theory under the sun with absolutely zero proof, and everything he says is true.

Youre generalizing In far too simplistic  a way. All you know about science, history research, is your faith in sources provided. You can't prove them true. Your belief in what you read,  doesn't make it a fact. Is that basic logic that hard for you to comprehend?  This us why sheep are so easily lead and slaughtered. 

Edited April 2, 2018 by thinwhiteduke

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

1 hour ago, thinwhiteduke said:

Youre generalizing In far too simplistic  a way. All you know about science, history research, is your faith in sources provided. You can't prove them true. Your belief in what you read,  doesn't make it a fact. Is that basic logic that hard for you to comprehend?  This us why sheep are so easily lead and slaughtered. 

Dude, just shut up. You make an ass out of yourself in every post. If science was all lies, I wouldn't be posting on this forum using a laptop and wireless wifi. We wouldn't have phones that are more powerful than the room sized computers that were used to land the first people on the moon (yes, that actually happened). Half the country would be walking around with shriveled up arms from polio still. You can grab a microscope and look at tiny cells that the smartest people on the planet didn't know existed only 400 years ago. The list goes on and on and on.

 

I'm sorry that you sucked at school and that you can't hold a job or maintain a relationship but here's the sad reality... all of those things are your fault. I know it hurts to confront that reality and is much more comforting to live in this make believe world where you're the only smart one. Unfortunately, you're not. Not only are you not the only smart one, you're not smart at all. In fact, you are, without a doubt, the least knowledgable poster I have ever encountered on this forum.

Edited April 2, 2018 by Sacks 'n' Stuff

[thinwhiteduke]

2 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Dude, just shut up. You make an ass out of yourself in every post. If science was all lies, I wouldn't be posting on this forum using a laptop and wireless wifi. We wouldn't have phones that are more powerful than the room sized computers that were used to land the first people on the moon (yes, that actually happened). Half the country would be walking around with shriveled up arms from polio still. You can grab a microscope and look at tiny cells that the smartest people on the planet didn't know existed only 400 years ago. The list goes on and on and on.

 

I'm sorry that you sucked at school and that you can't hold a job or maintain a relationship but here's the sad reality... all of those things are your fault. I know it hurts to confront that reality and is much more comforting to live in this make believe world where you're the only smart one. Unfortunately, you're not. Not only are you not the only smart one, you're not smart at all. In fact, you are, without a doubt, the least knowledgable poster I have ever encountered on this forum.

lol what does you using a laptop have to do with fabricated propaganda reasoning, labeled as science or believed religion in various topics? where did I say science was a lie on the whole? I said it can be made up for you to believe a particular angle/argument that they want you to for various things. Thats difficult for you grasp? your reading comprehension is quite poor.
 

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I'm sorry that you sucked at school and that you can't hold a job or maintain a relationship but here's the sad reality... all of those things are your fault. I know it hurts to confront that reality and is much more comforting to live in this make believe world where you're the only smart one. Unfortunately, you're not. Not only are you not the only smart one, you're not smart at all. In fact, you are, without a doubt, the least knowledgable poster I have ever encountered on this forum.

 

I have never gone this far to insult anyone here.you are way out of line and simply afraid to think for yourself. lol see above -^-, you worship the school system. You need someone to tell you  that you are smart after you repeat back  what they told you to say, for a good grade. Thats not intelligence. Thats a well trained monkey/parrot of the State.

all the rest of your sillyness proves you need to run with the herd to be accepted. marriage relationships are business deals that the State has to approve. You are proud of being another sardine in a can on the road, taking your tired ass to work every day, doing the same thing over and over again till you die? thats not intelligence or freedom. You dont even have the critical thinking skills to grasp this? Your life was chosen for you. You didnt choose anything. You accept slavery but i'm the dumb one?

lol you cant see whats happening? you havent proven a single thing I've said, wrong. All youve done is what you were trained to do by tv,radio,media and your education. Reject anything that deviates from their teachings and insult someone for doing it... but you dont actually think anything through for yourself 

 

[Llevron]

The mods are dead and we killed them

[Renegade7]

@Sacks 'n' Stuff   I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here, but this isn't the thread for it.

32 minutes ago, Llevron said:

The mods are dead and we killed them

We lose every bit of ground we have to stand on every time we choose to go back and forth with him.  I had an idea, but it won't work if this keeps happening.

[Llevron]

5 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

@Sacks 'n' Stuff   I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here, but this isn't the thread for it.

We lose every bit of ground we have to stand on every time we choose to go back and forth with him.  I had an idea, but it won't work if this keeps happening.

 

I honestly don't mind his posting if ima be real with you. It is entertaining to a point AND it's a good reminder that I'm still sane. 

 

The destroying of every thread, though, is getting annoying. I wish ya'll would just tell him to **** off and go back to his ****ty little cult. 

 

But that would be mean. 

[Renegade7]

1 minute ago, Llevron said:

 

I honestly don't mind his posting if ima be real with you. It is entertaining to a point AND it's a good reminder that I'm still sane. 

 

The destroying of every thread, though, is getting annoying. I wish ya'll would just tell him to **** off and go back to his ****ty little cult. 

 

But that would be mean. 

With you on that.  I'm tired of him taking over threads, his opinion on things don't concern me because they can be ignored.  No one's ignoring it, though.

[PeterMP]

3 hours ago, thinwhiteduke said:

you havent proven a single thing I've said, wrong. All youve done is what you were trained to do by tv,radio,media and your education. Reject anything that deviates from their teachings and insult someone for doing it... but you dont actually think anything through for yourself 

 

 

But the flip is also true.  You haven't proven anything wrong either and haven't demonstrated the ability to think anything through for yourself.

 

You came in here attacking the Bible and making claims about the Bible (e.g. it was borrowed from other religions), but you haven't (and can't) proven that.  Then you turn around and attack people and call them sheep for doing the same thing you are doing.

 

As I stated already, if you require proof to believe in something or for action, it becomes hard to live every day life because there is very little you can actually prove beyond basic mathematics.  I've accepted that, but you seem to see it in everybody else, but not yourself.  Everybody has a set of beliefs that can't be proven, but you only seem to see everybody else's, not yours.

 

And you've completely ignored the evidence that historically religion has been an important motivator for people challenging the status quo and government.

Edited April 2, 2018 by PeterMP

[Dont Taze Me Bro]

This is exactly what he wants, he’s playing the long troll game with y’all, just to get these type of reactions.  He does it in every thread he posts in.  

 

Just ignore his posts, skip over or don’t reply to him.  There is no point trying to have a civil discussion with him because he isn’t interested in that, his sole goal is to get emotional reactions from others.