abdcskins Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I think Brach sucks. I've thought that all year. We'd be lucky to get an onion for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Brach has been awful. Deal him for said onion just to save money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I think every 2-3 days I post something similar in here...so my apologies. But, I hope they trade both Britton and Brach. I also want them to unload Jones. They should definitely deal whichever starter brings back the most return... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 No one on this roster should be off the table. There are literally no untouchables. If the right deal comes along, pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 Brach does suck, he did himself no favors yesterday. Trade. Everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Sounds like Britton might go to the Yankees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinFanInMinn Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Sounds like Britton to Yankees is just pending physicals. Might need to change the thread title to “welcome to the rebuild” or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcrunch98 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 hour ago, ixcuincle said: Sounds like Britton might go to the Yankees. Yup, for a haul equivalent to about 1/10 of what they could've gotten for him 2 years ago, and probably half of what they could've received for him last year. Well played! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinFanInMinn Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Brach doing his thing trying to give the game away. Betts smokes one right at Schoop for the DP to end the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, capcrunch98 said: Yup, for a haul equivalent to about 1/10 of what they could've gotten for him 2 years ago, and probably half of what they could've received for him last year. Well played! Instead of having a starting third baseman and a solid pitcher from last years trade, we get this from the Yankees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Hersh said: Instead of having a starting third baseman and a solid pitcher from last years trade, we get this from the Yankees. Sucks, but we gambled on having some type of run this year and lost big time. Return doesn't look spectacular, but if even one of those guys becomes a bullpen regular, I'd say its a fair trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 7 hours ago, DCSaints_fan said: Sucks, but we gambled on having some type of run this year and lost big time. This rebuild might be long and arduous because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinFanInMinn Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, justice98 said: This rebuild might be long and arduous because of that. Agree with this. Unless they're willing to give up some controllable talent (e.g. Schoop, Bundy, Gausman) they're not going to get top notch prospects back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Bear Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Yankees acquired LHP Zach Britton from the Orioles for RHP Dillon Tate, LHP Josh Rogers, and RHP Cody Carroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky21 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Tate is the prime piece going back to Baltimore. The 24-year-old is 5-2 with a 3.38 ERA in 15 starts with Double-A Trenton this year. Prior to the season, ESPN's Keith Law ranked Tate as the eighth-best prospect in the Yankees' system. http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24186498/new-york-yankees-trade-zach-britton-baltimore-orioles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, justice98 said: This rebuild might be long and arduous because of that. One thing I'm worried about with this rebuild is the O's becoming the Rays. Constantly selling their best players and never really contending save for one season here or there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMURedskins Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 The return for Britton is about as good as we could have expected, especially not being far removed from injury and a rental. 1 pitcher will be in the top 10 of our system and another in the top 15-20. Weren't the rumored offers at last years deadline pretty underwhelming? This bad year came a year too late. We were still clinging onto a possible wild card run at the deadline last year. We just dragged our feet and only acquired Beckham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 40 minutes ago, Hersh said: One thing I'm worried about with this rebuild is the O's becoming the Rays. Constantly selling their best players and never really contending save for one season here or there. Well, to contend with the Yankees and Red Sox, you almost have to continue to feed your farm system and choose wisely when you do retain a couple good players for big money. It's almost like you have to time it with their cycles too... In hindsight, a large piece of the 2012-2016 run of success was Boston's roller coaster and the Yankees being "just average" over that time while they shed some large contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Hersh said: One thing I'm worried about with this rebuild is the O's becoming the Rays. Constantly selling their best players and never really contending save for one season here or there. If you do it right, you should have a .4-5 year window in which to compete for the series. Which is why if Gausman, Bundy and Schoop start balling out, they should be traded when their value maximizes, to set up a run from 2022 - 2027 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, DCSaints_fan said: If you do it right, you should have a .4-5 year window in which to compete for the series. Which is why if Gausman, Bundy and Schoop start balling out, they should be traded when their value maximizes, to set up a run from 2022 - 2027 If it takes that long for the O’s to be good, that means no one currently AA and AAA worked out and they either won’t have spent money wisely or simply won’t have spent money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Hersh said: If it takes that long for the O’s to be good, that means no one currently AA and AAA worked out and they either won’t have spent money wisely or simply won’t have spent money. False. Machado was brought up in 2012 and hasn't hit FA until after this year. So the O's got 7 years of cost controlled service time. Bundy and Gausman are on similair tracks. Which fits into my 3 years of rebuild + 4 year window. No its not an exact process and obviously some are going to hit FA in the middle of the "window", but you develop a pipeline of guys from the minors coming up from to replace them and supplement with FA. The idea is a young, cost controlled core of starters which you supplement with FA. Not using FA as the core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, DCSaints_fan said: False. Machado was brought up in 2012 and hasn't hit FA until after this year. So the O's got 7 years of cost controlled service time. Bundy and Gausman are on similair tracks. Which fits into my 3 years of rebuild + 4 year window. No its not an exact process and obviously some are going to hit FA in the middle of the "window", but you develop a pipeline of guys from the minors coming up from to replace them and supplement with FA. The idea is a young, cost controlled core of starters which you supplement with FA. Not using FA as the core. The idea that teams win WS with a young, cost controlled core of starting pitchers is not a reality. People like to point to the Astros and Cubs as examples but neither of their staffs were young and the main reasons they won were older starters. Plus, teams that win supplement via trade with their farms. Gausman is the right age to be on a WS contender for the next 7-8 years. Same with Bundy. While I’m not suggesting they should automatically be extended and not traded, a team has to have veteran players to build around. Another way to think about it is this: let’s say 1 out of 4 good pitching prospects becomes a solid/good mlb starter. That might be generous too considering how few teams have multiple good home grown starters. So every time the O’s trade a Gausman, they need a few good prospects to have a chance that one replaces him. By keeping Gausman and Bundy, you build around them with Akin, Tate, Kremer, Baumann, Lowther, Hall, Hanifee, Ramirez, G-Rod, and whomever else. The team continues to build pitching depth which it can then trade for whatever is lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Bear Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Is Jones next? Jon Heyman of Fancred reports that the Phillies have shown interest in Orioles outfielder Adam Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Then end of the game got weird last night. Two position players needed to end it for the Rays. The first one didn’t actually know the mechanics of pitching, to set his hands, so he balked with every pitch. I get the white flag mentality of running a position player out there to save the pen. But man, at least put in someone that knows to set. Jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 On 7/25/2018 at 9:51 AM, Hersh said: The idea that teams win WS with a young, cost controlled core of starting pitchers is not a reality. People like to point to the Astros and Cubs as examples but neither of their staffs were young and the main reasons they won were older starters. Plus, teams that win supplement via trade with their farms. Gausman is the right age to be on a WS contender for the next 7-8 years. Same with Bundy. While I’m not suggesting they should automatically be extended and not traded, a team has to have veteran players to build around. Another way to think about it is this: let’s say 1 out of 4 good pitching prospects becomes a solid/good mlb starter. That might be generous too considering how few teams have multiple good home grown starters. So every time the O’s trade a Gausman, they need a few good prospects to have a chance that one replaces him. By keeping Gausman and Bundy, you build around them with Akin, Tate, Kremer, Baumann, Lowther, Hall, Hanifee, Ramirez, G-Rod, and whomever else. The team continues to build pitching depth which it can then trade for whatever is lacking. When i say "win" I don't necessarily mean the series. This is probably not a good metric because baseball playoffs are a total crapshoot. i don't really see an "formula" for winning the series other than really having "hot" starting pitchers and "timely" hitting. But there's no way to really predict that. By all rights the Dodgers should have won when they had the Kershaw/Greinke combo, the same thing goes for the Tigers with Scherzer/Verlander. And I didn't specifically mean starting pitching or even pitching when I said "starters' but lets take a look at the Astros rotation last year. Now granted, I think the Astros may have signed a pact with Satan to have their pitchers perform a standard deviation better than anyone in the league, but anyway here's all the Houston pitchers that started at least 10 games last year (Verlander only started 5 games for the Astros last year in the regular season) Name GS/ERA Mike Fiers 28/5.22 Charlie Morton 25/3.62 Dallas Keuchel* 23/2.9 Brad Pea**** 21/3.00 Lance McCullers Jr. 22/4.25 Collin McHugh 12/3.55 Joe Musgrove 15/4.77 Of those 7 pitchers, the only one who had signed as a "regular free" agent (as in not subject to salary arbitration after their deal is up) was Morton. Most were on arbitration eligible type deals. While maybe not "young" by standards(everyone except McCullers and Giles was at least 29), they were definitely "cost-controlled". Seems like they had alot of late bloomers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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