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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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Redskins receiving corp is beginning to shape up

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I want 6 wrs. I'm totally OK with having Harmon play doctsons position, prich doing his thing, quinn primarily in the slot, and mclaurin on the field at all times. We need a backup slot player and whichever receiver left that is the most versaltile and has the best understanding of the offenses concepts.  

 

This is what I wanted to do post draft and I haven't seen much to sway my opinion otherwise. 

18 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

Mike Quick is like Vintage NFL Receiver. So, @RandyHolt givin away his age. 😃

I've seen it so much that I've been thinking that maybe we have a udfa named Mike quick that I've just never noticed on film. 

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27 minutes ago, sportjunkie07 said:

I've seen it so much that I've been thinking that maybe we have a udfa named Mike quick that I've just never noticed on film. 

 

Interesting, because 2 years ago, the Skins DID sign an udfa receiver named Quick.

But his name wasn't Mike.

In 2017, we signed James Quick, udfa WR out of Louisville.

 

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2 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

Mike Quick is like Vintage NFL Receiver. So, @RandyHolt givin away his age. 😃

 

That's hilarious. If he actually played a significant amount of downs maybe I would know its Brian.

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I really like these game ‘snap count and synopsis’ articles over at Hog’s Haven. One thing that stood out is the author’s critique on Josh Doctson’s play. I know it’s been popular to dump on Doctson lately but the man will never dig himself out of the hole with this kind of play:

 

Josh Doctson- Let’s get to some people who actually played though, starting with Josh Doctson. He got the start, played 15 snaps and ran 7 routes against the Bengals. Doctson’s only target came on a 3rd-and-8 pass that he was not even close to catching; mainly because he lost track of the ball in the air.”

 

 

 

https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/8/18/20805571/skins-stats-snaps-bengals-redskins-offense

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You'd think almost for sure, they'd want a pure slot type receiver in the mix considering Quinn being banged up last season and thus far in the preseason, too.  Wonder if that helps S. Sims, Kidsy, etc.  I saw Harmon play some slot in camp but mostly played on the outside. 

 

 

 

 

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Listening to the latest Cooley at the Park and he also thinks Doctson doesn't make this team. He's high on Kidsy and my guy Steve Sims Jr. and says there are like 8 WR's who could make this team. He has Chesson making it over Doctson purely for special teams play.

 

He also thinks Dwayne should start week 3 and Jay's shot of sticking around past this year is contingent upon how close him and Dwayne bond and how successfully they work together. I don't know about all that, what with Kevin O'Connel waiting in the wings but we'll see.

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Is there anyway we can trade Doctson to the Cardinals? They just lost Hakeem Butler for possibly the season. That way we can keep one of the younger guys we might have cut.

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I was also listening to Cooley's podcast and he seems to genuinely think Doctson probably won't make the team.. although he goes on a bit too much about Jehu Chesson as if he should,, so I am not so sure what t make of it. 

 

I'd be surprised, but not necessarily in a bad way.

 

~Bang

 

 

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2 hours ago, Fresh8686 said:

Listening to the latest Cooley at the Park and he also thinks Doctson doesn't make this team. He's high on Kidsy and my guy Steve Sims Jr. and says there are like 8 WR's who could make this team. He has Chesson making it over Doctson purely for special teams play.

 

I dont think he makes it either. Literally the only way he makes it, IMO, is if Gruden gets itchy having so much inexperience in the WR corps. 

 

Because if you cut Doctson, it's Richardson and a bunch of guys who have a combined 13 total catches in their career.  And 9 of those are Quinn's. 

 

As promising as he thinks these young guys are as a group, I wouldnt blame him if that gave him pause.  Especially in a year where he might be on the hot seat.

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3 minutes ago, justice98 said:

 

I dont think he makes it either. Literally the only way he makes it, IMO, is if Gruden gets itchy having so much inexperience in the WR corps. 

 

Because if you cut Doctson, it's Richardson and a bunch of guys who have a combined 13 total catches in their career.  And 9 of those are Quinn's. 

 

As promising as he thinks these young guys are as a group, I wouldnt blame him if that gave him pause.  Especially in a year where he might be on the hot seat.

 Maybe Brian Quick makes team then.

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2 minutes ago, RawRebel said:

 Maybe Brian Quick makes team then.

 

I'd be shocked by that. But it's not off the table.  But might as well keep Doctson then.  At least he has a chance of doing something. 

 

Quick will be one of those cuttable guys that's always available if you get desperate.  And even if he's not, his contributions were nonexistent.

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We go through this routine almost every preseason.  A few young unknown later round draft picks look decent and we start assuming they are jumping over the unspectacular vets for a roster spot.  We'll see.  It is hard to get a real feel of what any of these players have to offer right now.. 

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3 hours ago, Fresh8686 said:

He's high on Kidsy

Kidsy seems to have good hands and gets open but the last game against against Cincy, he was chased down from behind by a second string linebacker. That lack of speed has me worried. 

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11 minutes ago, JaxJoe said:

Kidsy seems to have good hands and gets open but the last game against against Cincy, he was chased down from behind by a second string linebacker. That lack of speed has me worried. 

 

He ran a 4.46 and 4.5 at his pro day and has excellent stop and start ability so his speed and athleticism should be good. Hopefully, it was an isolated incident or who knows maybe that LB you saw has some Cole Holcomb speed.

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Shawn Springs was on 980 this morning and trashed our WR corps. Said if he was on an opposing team preparing to play us, he wouldn't even need to prepare or study.

 

And I kinda agree with him.

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Yep plan on tight man no respect for our WRs. We can say keep Doctson as a vet blah blah but what if he is the worst getting off the LOS? 

 

Same thing for our QBs - I would blitz new or journeymen QBs all day until they burn you.

 

Of course our bend dont break of yesteryear especially when playing a rookie QB dictated we sat back and let rookie QBs walk all over us. I feel like this soft approach spanned a decade. And may still be a thing this season. I sure as hell hope not.

 

Defenses will attack us, our D will play soft. Like clockwork.

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1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

Shawn Springs was on 980 this morning and trashed our WR corps. Said if he was on an opposing team preparing to play us, he wouldn't even need to prepare or study.

 

And I kinda agree with him.

 

But based on what though?  You couldnt study any of these guys even if you wanted to because there's barely any film.  

 

I mean, I guess Springs has been at camp once or twice and watched these guys, he seemed to come away more pessimistic than most everybody else that watched them, collectively.

 

I guess I just think we havent seen enough of any of them to make much of an educated determination one way or the other.  Hell, two (Mclaurin and Quinn) of the top 3-4 essentialy havent played this preseason.  And I hadnt heard any reports from OTAs or camp that suggested either of them wasnt any good. 

 

Or WR corps is a total crap shoot that could go either way.  Even then, they're so young and inexperienced, it might be a year or two before we truly see what they're capable of, given how young receivers take time to develop.  But folks are sure they're garbage before they've played a down.

 

Having said all that, I want opposing DBs to not respect us and not prepare.  Might catch a few of them sleeping.

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Technically he doesn't fall into the receiver group, but I'm interested to see if Parham can make the team as a TE.

He's a huge "specimen", and I wonder if he has the talent to go with it.

 

Regarding Doctson, Gruden said he's been "running with the 1's all of camp".

That does not sound like a player on the brink of not making the team.

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Not sure who would get cut for Jehu Chesson. There seems to be way too many receivers without factoring him in

34 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

Technically he doesn't fall into the receiver group, but I'm interested to see if Parham can make the team as a TE.

He's a huge "specimen", and I wonder if he has the talent to go with it.

 

 

Parham seems like a PS at best, but surely an interesting flyer if you saw anything in him. I doubt it amounts to anything, but then again so do most PS players

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If Reed, Quinn and Richardson are injured then I can understand not playing them BUT that gives me little hope for the start of the season. They will be rusty.

 

If the team is being cautious with them because they are scared of injuries then man, fire the medical/training staff and find guys you trust.

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4 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

Trent Williams has an ES account !

Trent Williams has a lot of accounts. Many fans feel this way.

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With Colt out injured and 3 of our top 4 WRs missing time, this will be a good chance to see how much of what we hear from coaching regarding chemistry timing etc, is valid.

 

While Doc has been running with the 1s knowing 2-4 have been injured means they haven't really had a chance to push him at all.  Sims and Harmon are thus no threat to Josh if running with the 1s all camp means a damn thing.

 

Lets try 6 WR


Doc Rich Quinn McLaurin....  Davis beats out Harmon based on teams.  Is Sims a lock? I am thinking Harmon may nab his spot with a few more OPIRecs, but Sims did make the team last year so I will give him the edge, for now. Harmon sure seems trending up more than Sims.

 

Harmon and Kidsy to PS

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