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      In today's Divisional Debacle, the Defense under Greg Manusky in the first half, gave up 207 yards of offense (105 rushing/102 passing) and two touchdowns.  That said, they did manage a single INT on which the Offense actually managed to score a touchdown off of. They allowed 12 of 16 passes to be completed . 
       
      In the second half it was 107 yards given up (58 rushing//49 passing) a field goal and a touchdown. They traded their first half pick for a second half sack. However, Dallas completed all five of their pass attempts. 
       
      Don't read that thinking "Well it seems like they tightened up some in the 2nd half."  They didn't. They simply had about half the plays in the second half. 30 plays in the First and 18 in the Second.
       
      So far in two Divisional matchups, the Defense has faltered in the Second half. They start out like a house of fire for the first few drives until their opponents gradually make adjustments. This Defensive coaching staff fails make any adjustments, whether in game or at the very least at Halftime. They've given up over 30 points per game for a total of 63 points given up in two games. While the Bears are up next, the Pats await and they've put up over 70 points in two games. Yeah. Ok. They did shut out the Dolphins today which is looking like the NFL version of ... ahem... shooting fish in a barrel. 
       
      The frustrating thing is Manusky is the DC that the Front Office actively looked to replace during the off season without firing him. When you know they're looking to replace you, most people would make a concentrated effort to show an improvement. Yet Manusky's Defense still keeps acting like it's starring in Groundhog Day.
       
      In his post game presser, when asked directly about if any coaching changes would be made, Gruden said "No, I think after two games – you’re talking about playing two very good offensive football teams and two of the best offensive lines in pro football we just played back-to-back. That’s no excuse whatsoever, but I don’t think we need to hit the panic button yet. We just have to continue to focus on what we can do better to win. Get Jonathan [Allen] in here, get a couple of our corners back in here and let’s go back and strap it up against Chicago [Bears] next week and see what happens.” 
       
      Here's another frustrating thing. The defensive communication was an issue last season as well. Wasn't this supposed to have been worked on during OTA's and Training Camp? It's understandable that the rookies would still be on a learning curve, but NFL vets like Collins and DRC you'd think they would have down by the start of the season. 
       
      Gruden said they're a very talented group on Defense but that they weren't reaching them. When questioned as to why the coaching staff that has been in place for several years, wasn't reaching them, he defended the comment as them being a young defense. “We have some moving parts now. Landon Collins is a veteran guy but this is his first year, [Montez] Sweat’s in his first year, [Cole] Holcomb, it’s his first year, [Jon] Bostic is in his first year. We’re playing Dominique [Rodgers-Cromartie] at corner and this is Jimmy Moreland’s first year, so it’s not like we are the most experienced group. We feel like were very talented, but we`re still fighting through somethings. There are a lot of things to look forward to, without a doubt, but we do have to play better and strap it up and get back to work."

       
       
       
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33 minutes ago, Dont Taze Me Bro said:

I think both AP and Charles are washed up.  

 

Even in their “washed up” state, they’re both better than Rob Kelley by miles.  Kelley is a scrub, who actually hinders our offense with his inability to impact our run game, and more importantly, our ability to run a competent red zone offense.  Do you really want to deal with “2 Yards & a cloud of dust” Rob Kelley for one more year?

 

They might not not have a choice but to sign AP or JC, because Jay Gruden’s job depends on how the team performs.  If we have a ****ty running game again this year, I promise you that we’ll be lucky to win 7 games, and I don’t have to tell you what will happen to the coach & front office if another losing season occurs.

 

Losing Guice was a pretty substantial blow to our offense, whether anyone wants to admit it or not.  If he was even half-way there to living up to the hype, we would be talking about our red zone offense, and running game being greatly improved compared to what we've had to deal with since Alfred Morris' first two seasons.  We need a vet who can get you those 3rd-1's and 4th-1's.

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Vikings cut Cobra Kai in favor of a rookie. Looks like his length strength just isn't good enough these days.

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1 minute ago, 98ORAKPO98 said:

You sure?

It's all over twitter in the last 5 minutes. Confirmed.

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20 minutes ago, samy316 said:

 

Even in their “washed up” state, they’re both better than Rob Kelley by miles.  Kelley is a scrub, who actually hinders our offense with his inability to impact our run game, and more importantly, our ability to run a competent red zone offense.  Do you really want to deal with “2 Yards & a cloud of dust” Rob Kelley for one more year?

 

They might not not have a choice but to sign AP or JC, because Jay Gruden’s job depends on how the team performs.  If we have a ****ty running game again this year, I promise you that we’ll be lucky to win 7 games, and I don’t have to tell you what will happen to the coach & front office if another losing season occurs.

 

Losing Guice was a pretty substantial blow to our offense, whether anyone wants to admit it or not.  If he was even half-way there to living up to the hype, we would be talking about our red zone offense, and running game being greatly improved compared to what we've had to deal with since Alfred Morris' first two seasons.  We need a vet who can get you those 3rd-1's and 4th-1's.

 

Last year AP averaged 3 yds per carry for the Saints and 3.5 for the Cardinals and 1.9 for the Vikings the previous year, while Kelley averaged 3.1 for the Skins.  And 4.1 the previous year

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6 minutes ago, carex said:

 

Last year AP averaged 3 yds per carry for the Saints and 3.5 for the Cardinals and 1.9 for the Vikings the previous year, while Kelley averaged 3.1 for the Skins.  And 4.1 the previous year

 

Rob Kelley on his best day couldn't lace the shoes of AP.  Go look at the O-Lines of the Cards & Saints, and then go take a look at our O-Line comparatively,  The Cards have one of the worst O-Lines in football, as does the Vikings.  As for the Saints, he wasn't used enough for a comparative sample size.  Remember his outburst at Sean Payton week 1 last year?  It wasn't going to work out there.  He should have NO issues with that hear.  He's going to get his chances, just for the fact alone that R. Kelley can't convert 3rd & 1's regularly.  When we're in the red zone this year, we're going to be far better off with Peterson than we would Kelley.

 

I'm not saying he's going to be back to 1400 Yard/14 TD per year AP, but if he's able to give you a 7-800 season with a 4.0 YPC and 8+TD's, he's going to blow away whatever Kelley gives you in return.

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5 minutes ago, samy316 said:

 

Even in their “washed up” state, they’re both better than Rob Kelley by miles.  Kelley is a scrub, who actually hinders our offense with his inability to impact our run game, and more importantly, our ability to run a competent red zone offense.  Do you really want to deal with “2 Yards & a cloud of dust” Rob Kelley for one more year?

 

They might not not have a choice but to sign AP or JC, because Jay Gruden’s job depends on how the team performs.  If we have a ****ty running game again this year, I promise you that we’ll be lucky to win 7 games, and I don’t have to tell you what will happen to the coach & front office if another losing season occurs.

 

I don't think AP is that much better than Kelley at this point in their careers.  AP averaged 3.4 ypc last year versus Kelley's 3.1 ypc, take away those two big games AP had and that drops way down to 2.5 ypc.  As I was responding I just read that we signed AP, so oh well.

 

I didn't want AP or Charles, but at least Charles was healthy last season and had 4.3 ypc last year in Denver and is former teammates with A. Smith so there is chemistry.  If we were going to sign either, I'd have rather it been Charles.

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10 minutes ago, samy316 said:

I'm not saying he's going to be back to 1400 Yard/14 TD per year AP, but if he's able to give you a 7-800 season with a 4.0 YPC and 8+TD's, he's going to blow away whatever Kelley gives you in return.

 

I don't think he's going to give us 700-800 yards and 8 TDs.  That's a pipe dream.  With that said, I hope he does or even more as he is a Redskin now.  So there is no further need to debate anything.  We will get to see what he brings :cheers:

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2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Good segment on RB's now with @RyanWilson_07. Speculated that names like Mike Gillislee, Charcandrick West, Jeremy Hill could be cut soon. All better options than AP in my opinion.

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But would any of those guys take a one year, no guranteed deal?

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47 minutes ago, samy316 said:

 

Rob Kelley on his best day couldn't lace the shoes of AP.  Go look at the O-Lines of the Cards & Saints, and then go take a look at our O-Line comparatively,  The Cards have one of the worst O-Lines in football, as does the Vikings. 

umm.. Kamara and Ingram on Saints and DJ on cards would disagree with you. What exactly has Skins oline done for RBs lately that makes you think that we will have a better running game?

Personally i think AP is washed up and pretty much a 2down thumper at this point. Skins probably only got him because he was the only one willing to sign a vet min deal.

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57 minutes ago, samy316 said:

 

Rob Kelley on his best day couldn't lace the shoes of AP.  Go look at the O-Lines of the Cards & Saints, and then go take a look at our O-Line comparatively,  The Cards have one of the worst O-Lines in football, as does the Vikings.  As for the Saints, he wasn't used enough for a comparative sample size.  Remember his outburst at Sean Payton week 1 last year?  It wasn't going to work out there.  He should have NO issues with that hear.  He's going to get his chances, just for the fact alone that R. Kelley can't convert 3rd & 1's regularly.  When we're in the red zone this year, we're going to be far better off with Peterson than we would Kelley.

 

I'm not saying he's going to be back to 1400 Yard/14 TD per year AP, but if he's able to give you a 7-800 season with a 4.0 YPC and 8+TD's, he's going to blow away whatever Kelley gives you in return.

 

Kelley's rookie year he gave us 700 yds so maybe not so much better as you think

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Really looking forward to the thread title to be updated from the previous most recent signing of camp fodder, Isiah Williams...

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2 hours ago, carex said:

 

Last year AP averaged 3 yds per carry for the Saints and 3.5 for the Cardinals and 1.9 for the Vikings the previous year, while Kelley averaged 3.1 for the Skins.  And 4.1 the previous year

 

He also had Blaine Gabbert as his QB for the better part of the year... I mean, do you guys remember when we played AZ last year? Gabbert legitimately put on one of the worst displays of a starting QB that I've ever seen in the NFL.

 

I don't think AP is going to come in and play at a Pro Bowl level, but we needed another RB, and like it or not, we are all in this year after the trade for Alex Smith. I am perfectly fine with the signing. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Dont Taze Me Bro said:

 

I don't think he's going to give us 700-800 yards and 8 TDs.  That's a pipe dream.  With that said, I hope he does or even more as he is a Redskin now.  So there is no further need to debate anything.  We will get to see what he brings :cheers:

 

He had 450 in 6 games with the 'Zona OL. I think he can get 800 in 16 here. Actually, that tracks for 1200. We'll see.

 

And, even in 2018, I think he's much better than anything else not named Guice here.

1 hour ago, carex said:

 

Kelley's rookie year he gave us 700 yds so maybe not so much better as you think

 

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8 minutes ago, OVCChairman said:

Should we kick the tires?  

 

He's faster than the other dude we signed not named Adrian Peterson. Maybe? I'm still looking to sign someone, but I've got others guys I'm looking at.

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Just saw this, Incognito has been tossed around as a name to possibly bring in, Just one more reason to say NO. He needs help.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/21/richie-incognito-arrested-for-disorderly-conduct-threats/

 

"Free-agent offensive lineman Richie Incognito has had a difficult and troubling few days, starting with the death of his father over the weekend.

The Scottsdale, Arizona police department has confirmed that Incognito was arrested Monday on counts of disorderly conduct and threats arising from an incident at Messingers Funeral Home in Scottsdale. As of this posting, Incognito remains in custody.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Incognito allegedly created a disturbance by “acting erratically and making the employees feel incredibly uncomfortable” while handling arrangements for his late father. Incognito allegedly made a gun gesture toward one of the employees, and he said that he has guns in his truck.

According to the source, weapons were indeed in his truck, and the weapons were impounded."

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