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      Good afternoon Redskins fans!  I have once again been invited to sit in the relative comfort of the press box and shout my thoughts into the void via this blog.  As you watch the game today and see the rain  pour relentlessly from the heavens, know that I am safe and dry.  Know also that @Spaceman Spiff is out there somewhere, cold and unappreciated, rolling around in the muck trying to capture that perfect picture.  Maybe say a little prayer for his health (or laugh, whatever, I’m not judging you).  Also, be sure not to miss the pictures he posts on this site after each game.     
       
      Before we get into today's Redskins game, I want give some thanks for more positive occurrences in DC sports.  Congrats to the Washington Mystics for winning their first championship.  Congrats go out to the Washington Nationals as well for reaching the world series.  These two teams (along with the Caps) are working hard to change the sports related mood around this town, and we're all happier for it. 
       
      Lets move now into less cheerful topics, namely your Washington Redskins!  Yow know things are going bad, and I mean really dang bad, when your team has gone through three quarterbacks and two coaches and your not even half way through the season.  Today's fresh hell comes in the form of a specter of the our recent past coming to smirk at our misfortune.  Im talking of course of Kyle.  Kyle's spent the week assuring everyone that he isn’t holding a grudge, while very obviously holding a grudge.  “Everything else.”  You know what I’m talking about. 
       
      If all he brought to town were his hurt feelings we wouldn’t have a problem.  Sadly, he’s arrived with an undefeated football team that the NFL says we have to play this week.  This feels entirely unfair. 
       
      My generic key to the game:  Run the ball and stop the run.  The team (spoiler alert: 49ers) that does this today will win.   
       
      Redskins Inactives  
      QB Colt McCoy  
      S Deshazor Everett  
      CB Josh Norman  
      RB Chris THompson  
      LB Josh Harvey-Clemons 
      G Wes Martin  
      TE Vernon Davis  
       
      49ers inactives  
      QB CJ Beathard 
      WR Deebo Samuel  
      CB Ahkello Witherspoon  
      FB Kyle Juszczyk 
      T Mike McGLinchey 
      T Joe Staley 
      DL DJ Jones 
       
      1st Quarter Update
      Redskins 0 – 0 49ers
       
      Callahan wasn’t playing around when he said he wanted to run the ball.  That first drive was all runs, and looked great... right up until they tried to pass the ball.  Hopkins missed the relatively short fied goal, because of course he did.     

      Maybe Quinn isn’t a good choice to be returning punts?  Consider it.    
       
      That second Redskins drive looked more like what we’ve come to expect from this offense.  Run for negative yards, pass dropped, and an unsuccessful screen pass.  A quintessential Redskins three and out. 

      Passing yards this quarter:  Redskins 3. 49ers 9.  Are you not entertained?! 
       
      Half Time Update
      Redskins 0 – 0 49ers 
       
      How happy are you to spend your Sunday afternoon watching this game?  Consider that some people paid money, to sit in a poncho, in the rain, to watch this game. 
       
      It’s now time for those half time adjustments that our beloved skins do so well.  It’s unlikely the second half mirrors the first. 
       
      3rd Quarter Update 
      Redskins 0 – 3 49ers  
       
      Good news, this game will not end in a 0-0 tie.  Those half time adjustments have kicked in as expected and the 49ers have found a way onto the scoreboard in this messy throwback game.  The Redskins have decided to spend the second half collecting holding penalties and sadness.  Mercifully, only one quarter remains. 
       
      End of Game Update 
      Redskins 0 – 9 49ers 
       
      Callahan hasn’t spent much time as the head coach of the Washington Redskins, but he’s already proven that his team can waste 2nd half timeouts like a veteran.  It makes little sense to adopt a strategy that shortens the game when your team is losing, and it makes even less sense when your team is short on time outs.  I’m not really sure what the thinking as late in this game.    
       
      Next week Kirk Cousins!   
       
       
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4 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

Yep.  That’s maybe 10 million more, assuming things don’t take a downturn. Doesn’t really change the fact that we’re not (and won’t be) in good shape cap wise - instead of looking at 112 million in cap space for 2020, a 10th of that is probably closer to the truth.  

True, but i have to imagine int he next 2 years some contracts will fall of, players released and things change in order to maintain.  Hard to really get an idea of the cap space 2 years in advance.  

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59 minutes ago, OVCChairman said:

True, but i have to imagine int he next 2 years some contracts will fall of, players released and things change in order to maintain.  Hard to really get an idea of the cap space 2 years in advance.  

Of course, and I shouldn’t have said it the way I did.  It would be more accurate to say that as of now, our cap situation for 2019 and 2020 is not nearly what it looks like.  Not that we’re in terrible shape, just that without major moves, we likely won’t have a great deal of cap space going forward... much like this year.  

 

Honestly, this is one reason I hate the trade as much as I do.  Fuller and perhaps that 3rd round pick are what you use to move on from Norman, or other pricey contracts.  It’s what responsible teams do - keep their young, cheap talent and cut/trade the older/more expensive players or just let them walk (maybe even get comp picks).  Obviously there are exceptions.  It’s a failure in philosophy, but whatever, don’t want to clutter this thread with trade talk.  

 

 

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Norman is an obvious trade/cut after 2019 - 15.5 cap hit, 3mill in dead cap if we cut him. I actually don't mind losing him after this season. Sure it creates a hole, but he wasn't all that great last season anyway and that's one big salary off the books (14.5 in 2019, 15.5 in 2020) - and he should have some trade value to a SB contender who is willing to pick up that contract.

 

I know we can restructure etc but honestly, then you're paying him well into his declining years and it just isn't worth it. Cut bait with him and take what you can get. The FO needs to be smarter with stuff like this. We always end up paying players like DHall well past their sell by date. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE DHall but it's hard to make a case that we've got any value out of him for a couple of years now. 

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11 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

Of course, and I shouldn’t have said it the way I did.  It would be more accurate to say that as of now, our cap situation for 2019 and 2020 is not nearly what it looks like.  Not that we’re in terrible shape, just that without major moves, we likely won’t have a great deal of cap space going forward... much like this year.  

 

Honestly, this is one reason I hate the trade as much as I do.  Fuller and perhaps that 3rd round pick are what you use to move on from Norman, or other pricey contracts.  It’s what responsible teams do - keep their young, cheap talent and cut/trade the older/more expensive players or just let them walk (maybe even get comp picks).  Obviously there are exceptions.  It’s a failure in philosophy, but whatever, don’t want to clutter this thread with trade talk.  

 

 

we're talkin the effect it has on free agency :cheers:.

 

I agree, i still am sour about Fuller, but big picture i wonder what a level of stability will have across the whole team.  Whether it be re-signing current players, or signing free agents, having a guy like Smith there calms the waters.  It gives the offense a direction to add pieces to.  Having McCoy there with the hopes of drafting,  you don't know yet who will be there, or the system that would fit best.  Now we have Smith, we have a 2 - 3 year window to find the right fit as a successor, and hopefully the pieces added can develop to keep going.  The best QBs in the league (for the most part) now played behind a guy who ran a similar system, so the other 10 guys on offense could be added in and grow.  Does that mean now we have a direction to look at, with the idea of drafting players for the next 3 years to fit that direction.  Not worrying about whether or not the QB next year is going to be mobile, short, tall, fat, slow, left handed, right handed....

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7 hours ago, skinny21 said:

Yep.  That’s maybe 10 million more, assuming things don’t take a downturn. Doesn’t really change the fact that we’re not (and won’t be) in good shape cap wise - instead of looking at 112 million in cap space for 2020, a 10th of that is probably closer to the truth.  

Which accounts for the cap needed for the fifth year option on Brandon Scherff.

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2 hours ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

Which accounts for the cap needed for the fifth year option on Brandon Scherff.

I honestly have no idea what that 5th year option entails cap wise.  I’d assume it’s a minimum of what he’s making now (6-7 mil?).  Either way... it’s another significant hit. 

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I've got more confidence in scheme than any qb- there were receivers running a open non-stop. Kirk had some great throws but he also missed a lot of wide open guys (see doctson for the first half of season).  Smith gives us the running threat that Kirk didn't and to be honest Kirk was that great on 3rd down for the longest time.

 

losing fuller sucks but I don't see any regression going into next season if we find a capable1-2 rb and resign Zach with another corner and wr.  Not far fetched to think we can't be better going into next season and set ourselves up for a better team with the 7-8 million savings at qb per year

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19 minutes ago, steve09ru said:

I've got more confidence in scheme than any qb- there were receivers running a open non-stop.

 

Yeah man, coaches should be getting the 25M contracts.  :ols:

 

It's selective memory to say receivers are always open to say the least.  I like Jay and all, but receivers still have to win routes, guys still have to block and the quarterback still has to deliver the ball.  If only football was as easy as scheme, if only.

 

 

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11 hours ago, skinny21 said:

Of course, and I shouldn’t have said it the way I did.  It would be more accurate to say that as of now, our cap situation for 2019 and 2020 is not nearly what it looks like.  Not that we’re in terrible shape, just that without major moves, we likely won’t have a great deal of cap space going forward... much like this year.  

 

Honestly, this is one reason I hate the trade as much as I do.  Fuller and perhaps that 3rd round pick are what you use to move on from Norman, or other pricey contracts.  It’s what responsible teams do - keep their young, cheap talent and cut/trade the older/more expensive players or just let them walk (maybe even get comp picks).  Obviously there are exceptions.  It’s a failure in philosophy, but whatever, don’t want to clutter this thread with trade talk.  

 

 

Couldn't you say that we just got the same consistent QB play at a lesser cost for 3 years, to groom a replacement? 

 

I mean we ****ed up the Kirk thing 2 years ago. Last year we doubled down on that mistake. That's all a complete failure of our **** FO, yes, but now we are staying competitive, moving on from the drama, and setting a time limit. 

 

I'm pretty sure or FO knows they screwed the pooch years ago. But it's obviously time to do exactly what the chiefs did.

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4 hours ago, skinny21 said:

I honestly have no idea what that 5th year option entails cap wise.  I’d assume it’s a minimum of what he’s making now (6-7 mil?).  Either way... it’s another significant hit. 

It was 12.5 mil this year for Jake Matthews. Don't know how much higher it will go for Scherff, probably a little. It was 11.9 the year before.

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Why don't the Redskins offer Trent Williams a new deal, just looking at some cap figures and in 2019 he has a $14m cap hit with only a 2m dead cap hit(think I'm right). Would he not be interested in a new deal that the Skins could get his 2018 cap figure down to about 8m, saving just under 6m this year. I would also seriously look at trying to trade Reed as well, we have about 16m on the books for TE this year. If no trade then outright release him saving 5m, a 10m cap figure for Reed is far to much for 8 games a season. While I'm at it why don't we release Norman who is a better talker than player and save 9m off the cap, there you go I've saved 20m for our Redskins. 

 

Don't be to hard on me fellow Skin's just my own opinions ?

 

HTTR 

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3 minutes ago, markmills67 said:

Why don't the Redskins offer Trent Williams a new deal, just looking at some cap figures and in 2019 he has a $14m cap hit with only a 2m dead cap hit(think I'm right). Would he not be interested in a new deal that the Skins could get his 2018 cap figure down to about 8m, saving just under 6m this year. 

Because he's entering his 30s and is starting to be troubled by injuries. Lowering his cap figure now raises it as he ages, and kicks in an extension that starts when he's 33. Not to say Allen won't do it so he can sign an extra FA or two to prop the team up and preserve his job, but it's really bad business.

 

You're way off on his dead cap hit, btw. It would be 9.4 mil.

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30 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

Because he's entering his 30s and is starting to be troubled by injuries. Lowering his cap figure now raises it as he ages, and kicks in an extension that starts when he's 33. Not to say Allen won't do it so he can sign an extra FA or two to prop the team up and preserve his job, but it's really bad business.

 

You're way off on his dead cap hit, btw. It would be 9.4 mil.

Cheers mate, it looks like I got the dead cap hit the wrong way round , what do you think of the other players I mentioned?.

 

HTTR 

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1 minute ago, markmills67 said:

Cheers mate, it looks like I got the dead cap hit the wrong way round , what do you think of the other players I mentioned?.

 

HTTR 

I have said I would try to trade both Reed and Norman. If there were zero takers, I would probably let Reed go, but Norman is good enough to not be let go for the cap savings. 

 

My priority wouldn't be making cap space for this season though. I'd be looking to build something for coming years. We're going nowhere right now. And that was true before the Smith trade.

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23 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

I have said I would try to trade both Reed and Norman. If there were zero takers, I would probably let Reed go, but Norman is good enough to not be let go for the cap savings. 

 

My priority wouldn't be making cap space for this season though. I'd be looking to build something for coming years. We're going nowhere right now. And that was true before the Smith trade.

Yep - Reed is on the block for me too. Get whatever we can for him just to get the salary off the books. He's an outstanding player when healthy but he's just not healthy often enough. I would think someone might throw us a late rounder for him at least. 

 

I'd be interested to see Norman's value in a trade but his production doesn't match his salary right now. We have too many holes to pay a very good corner elite money. If there's anything good put on the table for him then I'd take it. Would be a very flashy move for someone to make though, and I can see one of the teams with a lot of cap space potentially being interested in trading for him. Would potentially put us in CB hell next year but there's a few decent FA CBs this year http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cornerback/  and there's always the draft route - I think you can replicate Norman's production from last year for significantly less money.

 

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4 minutes ago, UKskins said:

Yep - Reed is on the block for me too. Get whatever we can for him just to get the salary off the books. He's an outstanding player when healthy but he's just not healthy often enough. I would think someone might throw us a late rounder for him at least. 

 

I'd be interested to see Norman's value in a trade but his production doesn't match his salary right now. We have too many holes to pay a very good corner elite money. If there's anything good put on the table for him then I'd take it. Would be a very flashy move for someone to make though, and I can see one of the teams with a lot of cap space potentially being interested in trading for him. Would potentially put us in CB hell next year but there's a few decent FA CBs this year http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cornerback/  and there's always the draft route - I think you can replicate Norman's production from last year for significantly less money.

 

Norman was banged up last year. I think people are getting a little quick to bury him. I think he's still  worth his salary pending another season of substandard play.

 

My plan would have been to sign Kyle Fuller, getting younger, saving a few mil per year and getting draft picks for Norman (hopefully) The Fuller brothers, Dunbar and Moreau would have set us up nicely at CB going forward. That's all down the crapper now, obviously. 

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14 hours ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said:

Think we will try for Landry as our #1 target.

 

Also, what about WR Albert Wilson from the Chiefs now.......:kickcan:

 

As soon as this deal was done I thought the same thing.

 

Re-sign Brown and five eight.

 

Then draft defense in the 1st, RB in the second, QB in the 4th, and defense forever after that.

 

Maybe bring in another fat boy on the lines to compete if we can find the money.

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3 hours ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

I have said I would try to trade both Reed and Norman. If there were zero takers, I would probably let Reed go, but Norman is good enough to not be let go for the cap savings. 

 

My priority wouldn't be making cap space for this season though. I'd be looking to build something for coming years. We're going nowhere right now. And that was true before the Smith trade.

 

I'm not sure this is THE plan that any one wanted, but after the dust has settled on it I think it's a plan that could work if we do it right.  Certainly not expecting a ring the next couple of years but we could have the KC approach where the team gets groomed and coached up the next two years for a QB we take late this year (everyone thinks it's the kid from Richmond - who looks every bit the US Army Ranger in the face - never seen him play a snap though).

 

Smith is a guy who could mature the rest of the team like Doct and Crowder and a Jarvis Landry or the like.

 

I'm not sure what the market will be for Reed, but I agree he could go.

 

Of course all of this depends on what the actual guaranteed money on the Smith contract is.  But it could set up nicely for a kid to take over in 2020 and give us a two to three year window to run there.

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10 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

 

Yeah man, coaches should be getting the 25M contracts.  :ols:

 

It's selective memory to say receivers are always open to say the least.  I like Jay and all, but receivers still have to win routes, guys still have to block and the quarterback still has to deliver the ball.  If only football was as easy as scheme, if only.

 

 

Of course your players have to execute, what I'm saying is that a lot of qb's could have hit those passes.  The scheme and draw ups are what consistently worked.  People act as if it was all Kirk.  I loved Kirk but he missed a lot of open guys and didn't always lead his receivers well.  He is not worth what he is going to get, like it or not.  Smiths contract is essentially what Kirk is worth and from the sound of it, he's going to get overpaid by at least 5 million per.

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Somebody please refresh my memory. 

Wasn't teddy Bridgewater on pace to become a superstar before his injury? 

 

I remember when the injury happened there was all sorts of rumors of possible amputation to he may never walk again but I thought he was making an excellent recovery. 

Why are the vikings letting him walk? 

Is he not recovering from the injury as well as I thought or was he not looking as good as I remember before the injury? 

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Trading Norman means a cap hit of 9 mil, but we’d still save around 8.  I think he’d be really attractive to another team because his base salary is between 11-13 the next 3 years.  

 

Pretty ballsy to (maybe) lose all 3 starting corner’s from last year though...

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Think Norman was nicked up last season. He's getting a rough rep, he's got a couple top seasons left in him.

 

bout time the Redskins PR machine went into phase 2, fully expect Brown re-signed over the weekend :headbang:

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24 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said:

Think Norman was nicked up last season. He's getting a rough rep, he's got a couple top seasons left in him.

 

bout time the Redskins PR machine went into phase 2, fully expect Brown re-signed over the weekend :headbang:

Yeah, I think either that or they sign a big name early in FA.  My guess is one of the DL available or a receiver (G isn’t nearly as sexy).  

24 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said:

Think Norman was nicked up last season. He's getting a rough rep, he's got a couple top seasons left in him.

 

bout time the Redskins PR machine went into phase 2, fully expect Brown re-signed over the weekend :headbang:

Yeah, I think either that or they sign a big name early in FA.  My guess is one of the DL available or a receiver (G isn’t nearly as sexy).  

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On 1/21/2018 at 3:33 PM, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

 

Actually, I'm saying Brown's market wont be what some of you project it to be.  Because he's an ILB and that market is nothing like QB for a variety of reasons that's I'm sure escape you.

Brown didn't have much of a market last year which is a reason why we got him on the cheap....not sure why this off-season would be any different?

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