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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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2018 Free Agency Database - (Signed: WILLIAMS - McPhee - Scandrick - P-Rich) - (Lauvao, Bergstrom, Nsehke, Taylor, Z. Brown and Quick re-signed)

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14 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

I like Mason, it's a good signing, but all things considered, Zach Brown is what changed the LB core (when the starters were healthy).  He brought the extra speed, skill, and intangibles.  

Yeah, Mason Foster isn't going to look so hot beside Vigil or Compton.  We've seen that show before.

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14 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Yeah, Mason Foster isn't going to look so hot beside Vigil or Compton.  We've seen that show before.

 

Vigil and Spaight looked pretty good together so if worst comes to worst they migt work next to Foster

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6 minutes ago, carex said:

 

Vigil and Spaight looked pretty good together so if worst comes to worst they migt work next to Foster

We have different definitions for pretty good.

 

Perhaps against slow, plodding teams but they will get blown away by teams with speed.

 

Spaight isn't slow, but he's extremely hit or miss, literally.

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7 minutes ago, carex said:

 

Vigil and Spaight looked pretty good together so if worst comes to worst they migt work next to Foster

 

You're kidding right?

 

Spaight was personally responsible for at least 20 points against the last two games.

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28 minutes ago, Paul Cumberland said:

Norwell's been discussed here.  Look like Giants are targeting him

 

Said the other day Gettleman signed Norwell as an undrafted free agent. I expect him to sign for the Giants. Anything else would be a nice surprise.

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7 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

I like Mason, it's a good signing, but all things considered, Zach Brown is what changed the LB core (when the starters were healthy).  He brought the extra speed, skill, and intangibles.  

I can't disagree with this, but it's worth considering how much the play of Ioannidas and Allen changed things for the backers. 

 

With that said, and even though Vigil stepped up and played well, that speed from Brown was something we previously lacked on D. 

If we manage to re-sign Brown and add a NT/DT in the 1st, I'm going to feel quite good about this defense.  

 

If Brown walks, I wonder what we do with that cash.  Simply re-sign our own?  Do we pursue Logan or Poe, or look to spend (more) on a receiver?  

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Just remember that while Brown is a fan favorite, he can't cover a bed with fitted sheets. No more than 6 million for him and that's on the high side. There is a reason he didn't get much love in free agency last year. Also Sheldon Richardson is out there for the Poe and Logan lovers. I believe he is the better player and fits the scheme and rotation a lot more.

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I think Foster is a good signing - I have liked him since he has been here. I would like to see him next to brown but if we were able to bolster the big guys up front then Foster is always going to look better. I think Brown hits the market but I still don't see there is a strong market for the ILB - I suspect he will find the market a little better than a year ago but he is not going to be blown away by offers - but I do really like him. 

 

I think the FO is going to be very careful how it structures things - and plan for a big bill in March one way or the another...  

 

The other point is - it is actually nice to see the FO doing something and being active  - last year we talked to no one other than Vernon Davis pretty much until the eve of free agency 

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32 minutes ago, bedlamVR said:

 

 

The other point is - it is actually nice to see the FO doing something and being active  - last year we talked to no one other than Vernon Davis pretty much until the eve of free agency 

We signed Morgan Moses to an extension 2 weeks before Vernon Davis.   I do agree, that I like having an earlier jump on things instead of pressing and coming down to it.  Now we need to make a decision on Kirk, one way or the other, and we need to take every shot at Brown that we can.  

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1 hour ago, fordranger76 said:

Just remember that while Brown is a fan favorite, he can't cover a bed with fitted sheets. No more than 6 million for him and that's on the high side. There is a reason he didn't get much love in free agency last year. Also Sheldon Richardson is out there for the Poe and Logan lovers. I believe he is the better player and fits the scheme and rotation a lot more.

Yeah, couldn’t remember for sure if he was a FA.  I agree that he’d be a better fit.  Poe concerns me due to weight and I seriously doubt he helps our DT rotation in nickel.  

 

As for ILBs - Walter has Bowman and Williamson (TEN) as the top ILBs available... I’m curious how we look to replace Brown if he walks.  

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15 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

As for ILBs - Walter has Bowman and Williamson (TEN) as the top ILBs available... I’m curious how we look to replace Brown if he walks.  

 

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We should have done this last year instead of wasting money on the McC's, but better late than never:

 

CSN Mid-Atlantic's Rich Tandler expects the Redskins to be interested in impending free agent NT Bennie Logan.
The Redskins chased Logan last offseason as a free agent, but he chose a one-year, $8 million deal in Kansas City and bet on himself. Logan's play dipped a bit with the Chiefs getting smeared in run defense, but Logan just turned 28. Washington hasn't had a true nose tackle the past couple years. Jan 26 - 9:59 AM
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The Redskins aren't expected to re-sign impending free agent LG Shawn Lauvao.

Starting C Spencer Long is also set to be a free agent. Long opened his career as the Redskins' left guard, but the team also doesn't want him there. Lauvao is now 30 and always seems to be hurt, ending three of the last four seasons on IR. Washington's line crumbled with injuries this past year.
 
 
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I really hope our investment in the lines continues.  I have to admit, this regime has put a major emphasis on the LOS, and now we can seemingly lock up our O-line for the next 4-5 years if we handle this correctly.  

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2 hours ago, HTTRDynasty said:

We should have done this last year instead of wasting money on the McC's, but better late than never:

 

CSN Mid-Atlantic's Rich Tandler expects the Redskins to be interested in impending free agent NT Bennie Logan.
The Redskins chased Logan last offseason as a free agent, but he chose a one-year, $8 million deal in Kansas City and bet on himself. Logan's play dipped a bit with the Chiefs getting smeared in run defense, but Logan just turned 28. Washington hasn't had a true nose tackle the past couple years. Jan 26 - 9:59 AM

 

Logan would be one of my premier FA targets. To be fair I think we made a very strong push to get him last year, but he along with Poe decided one year prove it deals suited them better. That was no good for us at the time.

 

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10 minutes ago, RWJ said:

I would like to see a LTD come together with Zac Brown soon.

Me too, but reports are that he wants to hit free agency before he makes any deal to be anywhere.  Also seen cap ramifications regarding the signing bonus with signing him prior to the start of the new league year.  

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We can lose Brown. ILB is one of the cheaper positions in todays NFL.

 

What matters is the guys up front. Zach Brown wouldn't be flying around the backfield making plays playing behind the 2016 D-Line. 

 

Continue to rebuild the D-Line; need a strong replacement for Ziggy Hood. 

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16 minutes ago, Mooka said:

We can lose Brown. ILB is one of the cheaper positions in todays NFL.

 

What matters is the guys up front. Zach Brown wouldn't be flying around the backfield making plays playing behind the 2016 D-Line. 

 

Continue to rebuild the D-Line; need a strong replacement for Ziggy Hood. 

I know it's unpopular, but I'm with you on that.  I would not pay Zach Brown 10M a season.  Lucky for us though, I don't think anyone else will either.  I want him back but don't want to pay 10M for a 2 down MLB under any circumstances.

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If we can't resign ZB, is Ryan Anderson the guy who should be next to Foster? He's blocked today by a host of rush guys at the OLB spot

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17 minutes ago, method man said:

If we can't resign ZB, is Ryan Anderson the guy who should be next to Foster? He's blocked today by a host of rush guys at the OLB spot

I wouldn’t rule it out, but he’s now next man up at OLB unless Galette or Murphy re-sign, and we have Vigil and Spaight at ILB.  

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If Brown won't sign with us before FA for under $10 mil/yr then let him hit FA. He is fast and can run stop, but can't cover well and doesn't call plays. reat for lots of tackles though. He's very good, but ILB is not expensive these days and I don't think the market will give him 10/yr eaither, just like last year.

 

If he doesn't sign with us before FA at $8mil/yr or less, then I wouldn't be surprised if we get him back after the FA market sets Brown's value for $6-8/yr. Brown is very good, not elite IMO. But I'll take very good at $6-8/yr at ILB.

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@DC9Yeah, all the mocks have him going before our pick, but I wouldn’t complain if he fell to us. :)

 

If we somehow re-sign Cousins, I’d rather land a DL in the 1st, but if we don’t, nabbing a top DL in FA and then Smith in the 1st would be a coup.  

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