Spaceman Spiff Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/us/new-york-shots-fired/index.html Terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Whoa. Just got on a train at Penn Station this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 That sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Springfield Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 What a weak “terror attack”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Dirty terrorist piece of ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Springfield said: What a weak “terror attack”. But how do you stop one zealot with a rental truck? These low-tech assaults are damned near impossible to predict or prevent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Two more souls lost...total now 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, Dan T. said: But how do you stop one zealot with a rental truck? These low-tech assaults are damned near impossible to predict or prevent. Nothing. I can tell you what you don’t do. You don’t give up your liberties and rights in the name of safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 13 minutes ago, Springfield said: You don’t give up your liberties and rights in the name of safety. I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spaceman Spiff Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 FWIW, getting back to the Vegas shooting and a brief debate on here....I heard plenty of people tonight on the news saying that this was a "Lone Wolf." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: FWIW, getting back to the Vegas shooting and a brief debate on here....I heard plenty of people tonight on the news saying that this was a "Lone Wolf." Thats good. This is NOT terrorism to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 There is a pattern emerging of radical Islamists from former Soviet nations carrying out violent attacks. Jihadi's are no longer being recruited just out of the Middle East and South Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 I swear, POTUS has the intellect of a 7 year old. Those texts show such a lack of understanding. Anyway, I heard about this around 6:30 this evening. Nothing can be done to stop these kind of attacks. We sure can be one ****** up species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 42 minutes ago, Springfield said: This is NOT terrorism to me. How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, TheGreatBuzz said: How so? Well... 1. It doesn’t incite fear. 2. There isn’t any overt meaning in the killing. 3. He didn’t really kill very many people. This is just your standard crazy person driving a vehicle through a crowd. Personally, I’m more afraid of sending my children to school or attending a game or concert than I am of something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, Springfield said: Well... 1. It doesn’t incite fear. 2. There isn’t any overt meaning in the killing. 3. He didn’t really kill very many people. This is just your standard crazy person driving a vehicle through a crowd. Personally, I’m more afraid of sending my children to school or attending a game or concert than I am of something like this. Well with the lack of a a "real" definition of terrorism AND the lack of details about the suspect, I would still argue your position. 1. I bet the people on that sidewalk were scared. It also incites fear that a person can do this with minimal technology/advanced equipment which is certainly going to incite fear in people (maybe not you). 2. Hard to say here but I would say the yelling of Alluh Ackbar right after killing 8 people makes me suspect there is a meaning here. 3. How many people are required to be killed before it is terrorism? The underwear bomber didn't kill anyone and I would still call that terrorism. My concern is how will this administration use this to advance their "cause". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 9 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Well with the lack of a a "real" definition of terrorism AND the lack of details about the suspect, I would still argue your position. 1. I bet the people on that sidewalk were scared. It also incites fear that a person can do this with minimal technology/advanced equipment which is certainly going to incite fear in people (maybe not you). 2. Hard to say here but I would say the yelling of Alluh Ackbar right after killing 8 people makes me suspect there is a meaning here. 3. How many people are required to be killed before it is terrorism? The underwear bomber didn't kill anyone and I would still call that terrorism. My concern is how will this administration use this to advance their "cause". I agree with most of this, but Alluh Ackbar can be used differently depending on the circumstances. Also it's been brought up a bunch of times recently in incidents later determined not to be religiously motivated terrorist attacks. So while it is helpful in informing us of the religion of the attacker (assuming people aren't hearing what they expect to hear or making things up as has happened at times), it may not be as helpful as an indicator of intent as we may think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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spjunkies Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Here we go, he now has his excuse to start his extreme discrimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 17 minutes ago, visionary said: I agree with most of this, but Alluh Ackbar can be used differently depending on the circumstances. Also it's been brought up a bunch of times recently in incidents later determined not to be religiously motivated terrorist attacks. So while it is helpful in informing us of the religion of the attacker (assuming people aren't hearing what they expect to hear or making things up as has happened at times), it may not be as helpful as an indicator of intent as we may think. True it can be used differently depending on circumstances. But based on the circumstance of he just ran of a whole mess of people and then got out with guns, I feel like we can make a reasonable safe assumption as to the motive. I'm not saying 100% it is terrorism (radical Islamic terrorism if you will ) but for Springfield to say this is NOT terrorism seems way off. If I were a betting man, I'd put good money on terrorism. There is no signs that I have heard of that he accidentally veered off the road and hit all those people, he came out with guns, yelled a phrase that is quite popular at other terrorist actions, used a means that is common in Europe, etc. I mean what else do you need to be able to safely assume it's terrorism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 22 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Well with the lack of a a "real" definition of terrorism AND the lack of details about the suspect, I would still argue your position. 1. I bet the people on that sidewalk were scared. It also incites fear that a person can do this with minimal technology/advanced equipment which is certainly going to incite fear in people (maybe not you). 2. Hard to say here but I would say the yelling of Alluh Ackbar right after killing 8 people makes me suspect there is a meaning here. 3. How many people are required to be killed before it is terrorism? The underwear bomber didn't kill anyone and I would still call that terrorism. My concern is how will this administration use this to advance their "cause". Fair enough. To me, it is unfathomable that this could be considered terrorism as first sight but Las Vegas could not. Un ****ing fathomable. This was child’s play compared to Las Vegas. This isn’t even a blip on the radar for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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