codeorama Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Ramsey comes in this week or next and starts getting hit like crazy and getting sacked again? What then? What does that show? I'm not hoping that it happens that way, but I'm wondering if it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Then it'll mean Samuels is back in the lineup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Ramsey should be forced to sit. The NY turf will be terrible for his foot and hopefully someone on the skins medical staff has thought about that :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted December 2, 2003 Author Share Posted December 2, 2003 Originally posted by Skins24 Then it'll mean Samuels is back in the lineup... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: That was pretty damn funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Originally posted by Skins24 Then it'll mean Samuels is back in the lineup... :laugh: :applause: :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 The one thing I'm pretty sure we'll see, if Patrick plays, is the Giants picking up where Miami left off and blitzing the hell out of him. Until Patrick proves he can move effectively in the pocket and 1) buy that extra second or two to make a play, 2) start consistently making quick and decisive throws, and/or 3) scrambling often enough to keep rushers honest, teams will continue to come after him. I think Miami and New Orleans both realized Hasselbeck's quickness of foot and quick release could hurt them, so they backed off and played us more conventionally. If I were the Giants, I'd probably do the same ... but not if Patrick's back there. I'd go after him big time until he proved he could hurt me. I just don't see Patrick having gained back any mobility yet ... so we better hope he's internalized some of the quick-release stuff Hasselbeck's modeled for him for the last 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbol Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 How about this, we run an offense simuliar to Timmay, only we run the ball more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffSchmeff Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Ramsey holds the ball too long. Someone put a post up here a couple of days ago (Art maybe?) that I think hit the nail on the head. He doesn't seem to have the QB "clock" that tells him he should get rid of the ball. You can't expect the line to hold the passrush for 10 seconds. Spurrier made an interesting point a couple of weeks ago during his weekly appearance on 980. He said that it seems when Ramsey takes his steps and fires the ball, most times he's sucessful. Its when he takes extra time, dances around in the pocket, and tries to make something happen that he makes mistakes and bad throws. I'm not saying all of the sacks are on Ramsey, but if he learned to have a quicker trigger I don't think he'd be getting pounded as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNumberOne Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 I think the protection has actually improved now as well. I think Ramsey had everything together in the beginning of the year (flashback to Ramsey scampering to setup a gamewinning FG against the Jets), but the pounding he has taken more recently made him both injured and a little nervous of the blitz, as ANY young QB would be. Some of those plays that he was blitzed on, he really didn't have time to throw, and I think Tim would have had problems too. You can't let one guy in clean, but to let more than one guy in clean on more than one occasion (flashback to Dallas, roy and woodson collide in their fervor to kill PR)... ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNumberOne Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 I will add one other thing. One of the offensive players was asked in the postgame of Miami what made Tim successful, and they answered that even though he's young and inexperienced, he came into the huddle with confidence, and spoke with a lot of confidence that made you believe in him. I know this is probably over analyzing, but are they implying that PR didn't do that? Is this another indication of how the constant pounding PR took might have affected him in the huddle? Like I said, this is probably overanalyzing a simple compliment on TH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Run the ball more? Forget it. Thats blasphemy with Spurrier. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted December 2, 2003 Author Share Posted December 2, 2003 Originally posted by Symbol How about this, we run an offense simuliar to Timmay, only we run the ball more. They are running the same offense. The difference is that Tim makes a quick decision and gets rid of the ball AND he reads the blitz better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsThug Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 I wish Tim had Ramseys arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Originally posted by SkinsThug I wish Tim had Ramseys arm. I wish Ramsey had Tim's awareness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 And I wish Ramsey had Tim's fresh body and clear mind again ... like he did early this season before becoming a punching bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HapHaszard Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Parts is parts. Hmmm think we could make a Hasselsay, or a Ramsbeck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 so...who get's the wife? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Uh ... no thanks. One's plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Let's not forget Ramsey's injured foot that supposedly became more difficult to work with with each coming week. It wasn't JUST Ramsey's run against the Jets, through the entire first block of games, Ramsey was eluding a lot of players in the collapsed pocket, while still stepping up to throw, but eventually the injuries compiled to be too much for him to overcome. Let me just ask, how well would Tim be moving around the pocket if he had a fractured bone in his foot? Also, the playcalling is not the same. Spurrier called a great 1st half for Tim Hassleback but reverted back to his Ramsey-A+ playcalling in the second half of the Saints game and like a lightswitch, the offense started producing NOTHING. Spurrier calls way more homerun plays when Ramsey is in there to try and spread the field and take advantage of Pat's arm strength. With Timmy, he has more of a DW/Pennington type of QB in there, so you see passes going 2-4yds and expecting the WR/TE/RB to make a good gain out of it, with occasional passes of over 8yds thrown in. It is certainly NOT the same thing when Ramsey is in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNumberOne Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Originally posted by NoCalMike Let's not forget Ramsey's injured foot that supposedly became more difficult to work with with each coming week. It wasn't JUST Ramsey's run against the Jets, through the entire first block of games, Ramsey was eluding a lot of players in the collapsed pocket, while still stepping up to throw, but eventually the injuries compiled to be too much for him to overcome. Let me just ask, how well would Tim be moving around the pocket if he had a fractured bone in his foot? Also, the playcalling is not the same. Spurrier called a great 1st half for Tim Hassleback but reverted back to his Ramsey-A+ playcalling in the second half of the Saints game and like a lightswitch, the offense started producing NOTHING. Spurrier calls way more homerun plays when Ramsey is in there to try and spread the field and take advantage of Pat's arm strength. With Timmy, he has more of a DW/Pennington type of QB in there, so you see passes going 2-4yds and expecting the WR/TE/RB to make a good gain out of it, with occasional passes of over 8yds thrown in. It is certainly NOT the same thing when Ramsey is in there. Just to clarify, I wasn't trying to imply it was just Ramsey's run against the Jets, I was just trying to come up with an image of Ramsey that would resonate with all the people here who seem to have short term memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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