Dan T. Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Trung Canidate rushed for 115 yards on only 16 carries, better than 7 yards per carry. He looked fully recovered from his ankle sprain, running with quickness, speed and passion. Why only 16 carries? With the lead in the second half, why not go with what's working? Quotes from the O-line showed frustration at not running the ball more. They had N.O. on their heels, yet seemed to all but abandon the run. Can anyone break down the number of carries Trung got 1st half vs. second half? I'd be interested to see that I take Trung's effort as one positive out of this debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlskinsfan Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 i blame the defense for losing this game....well i actually blame them for losing the past three games....george edwards has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor The Invincible Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I agree. Trung actually looked like a quality NFL back yesterday. He actually ran with some confidence instead of two stepping everything. But, uh, the defense is what lost the game for us, no doubt in my mind about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 Is Trung going to be the primary guy for the future? If he runs like yesterday, I say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 The problem with trung is when we need a 3rd and 3 or 2 he gets 1. When we are not expecting much he gets a 30 yard run. Trung has not showed yet that he can be reliable to get the tough yards :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlskinsfan Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 rock is perfectly fine to pick up those tough short runs...i dont expect trung to pick them up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Originally posted by orlskinsfan rock is perfectly fine to pick up those tough short runs...i dont expect trung to pick them up but that is the problem, we need 1 back that can do it, a rb gets better as the game goes on, if we can't rely on them to get a tough yard don't you see the problem here :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlskinsfan Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 no i dont see the problem....many teams have muliple options at running back...look at the iggles they have 3 perfectly good running backs who each have a different role...the giants used to have it too with dayne and barber....you call plays that best put a player into a position in which he will succeed...plus i have seen trung make some pretty tough runs this year when he commits to a hole but trung is very good at bouncing it outside if the hole isnt available inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 You don't need one RB to get all your carries. Our best season in franchise history occurred when we had a 1st and 2nd down back in Byner, a 3rd down back in Mitchell, and a goal line back in Riggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Originally posted by orlskinsfan no i dont see the problem.... The problem is Trung either gets a yard or two or a big gain, he is not consistent enough to be a feature back. The WR screen gets more yards on a first down run then trung normally does :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Originally posted by speedwagon20 You don't need one RB to get all your carries. Our best season in franchise history occurred when we had a 1st and 2nd down back in Byner, a 3rd down back in Mitchell, and a goal line back in Riggs. I agree but we don't have the first or second down back. Trung is a 3rd down back and that is all he will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlskinsfan Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 he looked pretty good on first and second down yesterday but you are right that he has been on an off all year long...maybe we can blame that on his bad wheel....the remainder of the season will be a good measuring stick if he can cut it as a starting tailback in this league....but the main thing is calling plays that show his strengths which is speed and agility...quick hitting plays up the middle such as traps would be better suited for trung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 That's a good point jbooma. That's why I'm holding out hope for Betts. Did anyone notice that Betts actually came in for Trung once or twice on third down? Seems like it should be the other way around. I think our situation going into next year should be Betts as our horse, Trung as our change-of-pace, and Rock on the goalline if Betts doesn't show he can punch them in....but I think he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Originally posted by orlskinsfan no i dont see the problem....many teams have muliple options at running back...look at the iggles they have 3 perfectly good running backs who each have a different role...the giants used to have it too with dayne and barber....you call plays that best put a player into a position in which he will succeed...plus i have seen trung make some pretty tough runs this year when he commits to a hole but trung is very good at bouncing it outside if the hole isnt available inside. It is better to have one back that can do it all, instead of 2 or 3 backs for certain situations. Defenses can usually guess what type of play you're running when you have backs for certain situations. If Rock is in, it's a run up the gut. We need a back that can be able to get that shortage run AND break a long one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlskinsfan Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 it would be nice to have that type of back but most teams these days dont have that one back who can do it all...and if betts actually stepped up and played like a 2nd rounder then maybe this discussion would be moot, but he has yet to do that...i still like trung a lot better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 There's nothing wrong with a RB by committee. That's not the problem. The problem is not running the ball period. We need to run the ball more. I don't care who gets the carries. Throwing the ball 40+ times is usually a bad idea. In a game in which you are winning most of the day is worse. In a game in which your QB is starting his first game EVER is worse. In a game in which your LT is starting his first game EVER is worse. In a game in which your #2 WR is out for the second half is worse. In a game in which your RB is averaging over 7 yards a carry is unbelieveable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Nothing wrong with our RB system, besides the fact that they don't get enough carries. Every RB is stopped for 1 or no yards multiple times throughout the game. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I dont know if Trung is the answer or not. I dont know if he can be a premier back or not. But I will say one thing, Trung is better than Betts. I like Betts dont get me wrong and take this as a Betts smashing here. But some people here seem to think Betts is the answer. Betts is nowhere close to the answer, i dont know if its because he's a draft pick or what but some people seem to think he can do it. I really believe from watching this whole season that Trung delivers harder blows than Betts does while running the ball and I believe Trung is better at even getting the tough yards. Betts is a good reciever and all, but a premier back he is not, he doesnt have the talent, as in vision, explosiveness, and all out speed and power. Trung does have the talent, the problem is just getting it out of him, he doesnt have the power but he's got everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJWatson3 Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Originally posted by Henry There's nothing wrong with a RB by committee. That's not the problem. The problem is not running the ball period. We need to run the ball more. I don't care who gets the carries. Throwing the ball 40+ times is usually a bad idea. In a game in which you are winning most of the day is worse. In a game in which your QB is starting his first game EVER is worse. In a game in which your LT is starting his first game EVER is worse. In a game in which your #2 WR is out for the second half is worse. In a game in which your RB is averaging over 7 yards a carry is unbelieveable. you got it right man. this loss was inexplicable. i know deuce is the hottest running back in football right now, and he ran through our line like it we fielded a team of lepers up front. and still we had every chance to win that game. steve spurrier is really pissing me off. as is the DC. these two guys are still figuring out how to play professional football. why did steve want to put the game in the hands of THasselbeck? especially when the OL was dominating in the running game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 The problem with Spurrier is he will start to run, and he'll keep it up for a while. But in the second half usually if we have say 2 consecutive runs that get stuffed, its over, he gives up on it. Then the incompletions come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlinginSammy HOF '63 Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Originally posted by speedwagon20 You don't need one RB to get all your carries. Our best season in franchise history occurred when we had a 1st and 2nd down back in Byner, a 3rd down back in Mitchell, and a goal line back in Riggs. We actually udsed four backs that year. Rickey Ervins had a good share of carries. Of course he was appearing to be the heir of Ernest Byner at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbol Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Originally posted by orlskinsfan i blame the defense for losing this game....well i actually blame them for losing the past three games....george edwards has to go. Think about something for a moment. If Trung had gotten the carries that he should have gotten, the Saint's offense would have been off the field and our defense. Our defense couldn't stop the run the entire game and Spurrier knew that. So he tries to air it out and keep our defense on the field. Had Spurrier called running plays and some playactions, but mainly run plays, we would have won. The Saints couldn't stop our run either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Originally posted by Skins26 But in the second half usually if we have say 2 consecutive runs that get stuffed, its over, he gives up on it. What do you expect to run on 3rd and long then :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Originally posted by Symbol Think about something for a moment. If Trung had gotten the carries that he should have gotten, the Saint's offense would have been off the field and our defense. Our defense couldn't stop the run the entire game and Spurrier knew that. So he tries to air it out and keep our defense on the field. Had Spurrier called running plays and some playactions, but mainly run plays, we would have won. The Saints couldn't stop our run either. No you have it all wrong. Trung got some nice runs but in the 4th he was getting stopped. If Trung was able to consistently get 4 or 5 yards a cary, we would have stayed with him. The problem with trung he will give you back to back runs of no or little gain then we are forced to throw on 3rd and long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Yet I would expect a run on 3rd and 2, and when the Saints have yet to show they could consistently stop the run. As I recall, the Saints didn't even stack the box on that play. And if it didn't work, they would've at least got us a 4th and 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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