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Presidential Election:11/3/20 - Union Joe vs Confederate Don

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44 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

I'd like to see the video of this.  I doubt that is all there is to the story.


You don’t accept the account of right wing hacks on face value? Scrub.

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1 hour ago, Larry said:

 

I dunno.  I wouldn't have trouble believing that the entire exchange consisted ot the voter saying she wanted pro-life language in the Dem platform, and he told her it wasn't going to happen.  

If so, I doubt it was in the rude manner that tweet makes it seem.

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I read about (but did not watch) the exchange in question:

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/26/buttigieg-takes-case-fox-news-iowa-105647

 

One of Buttigieg’s more memorable exchanges in Sunday’s Fox News town hall came when an anti-abortion Democrat asked Buttigieg about softening the party’s platform language around abortion to make the Democratic tent more welcoming of people like her.

“I respect where you’re coming from, and I hope to earn your vote, but I’m not going to try to earn your vote by tricking you. I am pro-choice,” Buttigieg said. “I know that the difference of opinion that you and I have is one that we have come by honestly and the best that I can offer, and it may win your vote and if not, I understand — if we can’t agree on where to draw the line, the next best thing we can do is agree on who should draw the line, and in my view, it’s the woman who’s faced with that decision.”

 

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8 minutes ago, JCB said:

I read about (but did not watch) the exchange in question:

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/26/buttigieg-takes-case-fox-news-iowa-105647

 

One of Buttigieg’s more memorable exchanges in Sunday’s Fox News town hall came when an anti-abortion Democrat asked Buttigieg about softening the party’s platform language around abortion to make the Democratic tent more welcoming of people like her.

“I respect where you’re coming from, and I hope to earn your vote, but I’m not going to try to earn your vote by tricking you. I am pro-choice,” Buttigieg said. “I know that the difference of opinion that you and I have is one that we have come by honestly and the best that I can offer, and it may win your vote and if not, I understand — if we can’t agree on where to draw the line, the next best thing we can do is agree on who should draw the line, and in my view, it’s the woman who’s faced with that decision.”

 

 

So he didn't give the woman a swirly and called her a poo poo head? He has forever lost my abortion loving vote.

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3 hours ago, No Excuses said:

 

So he didn't give the woman a swirly and called her a poo poo head? He has forever lost my abortion loving vote.


I had a crazy thought. It’s *almost* like right-wingers make **** up and have a persecution complex . . .

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3 hours ago, JCB said:

I read about (but did not watch) the exchange in question:

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/26/buttigieg-takes-case-fox-news-iowa-105647

 

One of Buttigieg’s more memorable exchanges in Sunday’s Fox News town hall came when an anti-abortion Democrat asked Buttigieg about softening the party’s platform language around abortion to make the Democratic tent more welcoming of people like her.

“I respect where you’re coming from, and I hope to earn your vote, but I’m not going to try to earn your vote by tricking you. I am pro-choice,” Buttigieg said. “I know that the difference of opinion that you and I have is one that we have come by honestly and the best that I can offer, and it may win your vote and if not, I understand — if we can’t agree on where to draw the line, the next best thing we can do is agree on who should draw the line, and in my view, it’s the woman who’s faced with that decision.”

 

 

That's the kind of things that made me like him, the two times I saw him on Meet the Press.  He takes a tough question, and actually answers it, with supporting reasons.  Mildly, without confrontation.  

 

It's possible that all the other Dems can do that, too.  Not knocking the others.  But that reads to me like one heck of an answer.  And a realistic one.  

 

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good ole huckster daryll scott.....along with paris dennard (one of the many key holders enjoying membership in the donald j. trump sexual assaulter mens club) and the big sweaty roly-poly bald brother, mark something, are all also part of don's penchant for finding uncle toms (a term i usually don't use as a really white whitey) of all demographics...there are few characteristics among the disparate tribes of humanity that can unify better than greed and advancing materialistic self interests at the expense of others

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/trump-allies-target-african-american-voters-with-new-tactic-cash-giveaways/ar-BBZqUj9?li=BBnb7Kz 

 

Trump allies target African American voters with new tactic: Cash giveaways

 

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Allies of Donald Trump have begun holding events in black communities where organizers lavish praise on the president as they hand out tens of thousands of dollars to lucky attendees. The first giveaway took place last month in Cleveland, where recipients whose winning tickets were drawn from a bin landed cash gifts in increments of several hundred dollars, stuffed into envelopes. A second giveaway scheduled for this month in Virginia has been postponed, and more are said to be in the works.

 

The tour comes as Trump’s campaign has been investing its own money to make inroads with black voters and erode Democrats’ overwhelming advantage with them. But the cash giveaways are organized under the auspices of an outside charity, the Urban Revitalization Coalition, permitting donors to remain anonymous and make tax-deductible contributions.

 

The organizers say the events are run by the book and intended to promote economic development in inner cities. But the group behind the cash giveaways is registered as a 501(c)3 charitable organization. One leading legal expert on nonprofit law said the arrangement raises questions about the group’s tax-exempt status, because it does not appear to be vetting the recipients of its money for legitimate charitable need.

 

"Charities are required to spend their money on charitable and educational activities,” said Marcus Owens, a former director of the Exempt Organizations Division at the Internal Revenue Service who is now in private practice at the law firm Loeb & Loeb. “It's not immediately clear to me how simply giving money away to people at an event is a charitable act.”

 

Asked about the legality of the giveaways in a brief phone interview, the Urban Revitalization Coalition’s CEO, Darrell Scott, said that most gifts were between $300 and $500, and that the group mandates that anyone who receives over $600 fills out a W-9 form in order to ensure compliance with tax law. He did not respond to follow-up questions about how the giveaways were structured and whether they met the legal standard for a charitable act. Scott declined to name the donors funding the effort. "I'd rather not,” he said. “They prefer to remain anonymous."

 

Scott, a Cleveland-based pastor, has been one of Trump’s closest and most prominent black supporters. He struck up a relationship with the real estate mogul in the years before Trump’s presidential run, and — along with Trump’s former lieutenant Michael Cohen — cofounded the National Diversity Coalition for Trump to promote that run. Since then, Scott become a regular presence in the West Wing. He has championed the Trump administration’s criminal justice reform efforts, signed into law as the First Step Act, and the creation of Opportunity Zones. That program, passed as part of the 2017 tax overhaul, provides tax breaks for investment in certain urban and rural districts that are deemed in need of economic stimulus.

 

In July 2017, the Urban Revitalization Coalition was registered in Delaware, according to public records, and it began promoting the Opportunity Zone program in conjunction with administration officials and other Republican officeholders. Scott and the coalition’s co-founder, Karim Lanier, held a meeting with Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin in February 2018, according to Mnuchin’s publicly released schedule, and the group held an event with Kentucky’s then-governor, Republican Matt Bevin, in Louisville the following month. The group’s earlier activities did not feature cash giveaways.

 

As Trump’s reelection campaign ramps up its outreach to black voters, Scott has come on as a co-chair of its new “Black Voices for Trump” initiative, along with former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain and the YouTube video performers Diamond & Silk. The initiative, whose homepage asks voters to text “WOKE” to a campaign phone number, has been holding its own swing state events in recent months.

 

But a Trump campaign spokesman said the Urban Revitalization Coalition’s events were unrelated to its own efforts, and that the campaign “has no knowledge of or affiliation with these activities.” The parallel tour being organized by the Urban Revitalization Coalition stands out for its promise to shower cash prizes on attendees who listen to speakers promote the president’s initiatives. The first cash giveaway took place last month. Another was scheduled in Virginia for Martin Luther King Day before being scrapped amid a dispute with the college set to host the event. Organizers say they plan to roll out a tour schedule featuring more events soon.

 

The group’s “Christmas Extravaganza” event in Cleveland last month featured a $25,000 giveaway and an appearance by Ja’Ron Smith, a deputy assistant to the president. A Cleveland native who worked on Trump’s criminal justice reform, Smith is among the highest-ranking black officials in the White House. At the event, which also featured an appearance by television personality Geraldo Rivera, Lanier compared the investigative scrutiny faced by Trump to the plight of wrongfully incarcerated black men. He also defended Trump’s record on race. "President Donald Trump — the one that they say is racist — is the first president in the history of this country to incentivize people who have the money to put it into ... urban areas,” he said.

 

White House spokesman Hogan Gidley did not respond to requests for comment.

 

Charitable organizations can hold events praising and honoring public officials so long as they avoid supporting or opposing candidates in elections. "If they do it independently and it really is agenda focused, not electoral, yes that's permissible under campaign finance law," said Adav Noti, a senior director at the Campaign Legal Center, an election law watchdog. But if a rally veers into electioneering, issues with campaign finance law can arise, experts warned. Determining when rhetoric crosses that line can be difficult. “It's always a fine line," said Larry Noble, a former general counsel for the Federal Election Commission. One recipient of the cash giveaway in Cleveland, dressed as a Christmas elf, declared, "Four more years of President Trump. Yay!" after receiving her gift.The more pressing legal issue raised by the event, and by plans for more like it, is the question of whether the cash giveaways constitute legitimate charitable activity.

 

Flyers advertising the Cleveland event said it was “open to the public” and that recipients “must be present to redeem giveaways.” Video of the giveaway posted to Facebook by the Cleveland Plain Dealer shows Lanier announcing one recipient, Teresita Jones-Thomas, then declaring, "She don't need the money. She do not need the money!”

 

“I ain't giving her the money. Her son plays for the Golden State Warriors in the NBA. She don't need the money," he said, before hugging Jones-Thomas and handing her an envelope. A LinkedIn profile for Jones-Thomas describes her as a “senior director of accounting” for a real estate management firm. Her son, Warriors forward Omari Spellman, is set to make close to $2 million this season, according to online sports salary-tracking website Spotrac. Phone numbers listed online for Jones-Thomas appeared to be disconnected, and emails sent to a work address did not receive a response.

 

In the closing weeks of the 2016 campaign, efforts to depress black voter turnout were central to the Trump team’s efforts, and he performed slightly better with that group than Republican nominee Mitt Romney did in 2012. This election cycle, Trump’s campaign is making more concerted, earlier investments in black voter outreach. While black voters are expected to overwhelmingly support the Democratic nominee again this year, if Trump is able to win over a small percentage of black voters in key states, or persuade some of them to sit out the election rather than vote against him, it could make a difference in closely contested races. The election year initiative by the Urban Revitalization Coalition to improve Trump’s image in black communities could bolster those efforts.

 

The coalition planned a Martin Luther King Jr. Day event at Virginia Union University, a historically black school in Richmond. Advertisements for the event said it would feature a $30,000 cash giveaway and would honor Trump as well as his son-in-law, senior White House adviser Jared Kushner.

But school administrators canceled the Jan. 20 event, saying it had been described to them as an “economic development discussion” when it was first booked. In a letter to Lanier, university President Hakim Lucas said: “The event advertised is vastly different from the event VUU agreed to co-host.”

 

Scott told POLITICO that the school had initially “begged” him to have the event there. He said that the coalition intends to reschedule it at another venue at a later date. Scott also said the group was planning to unveil a slate of additional future events and that he would reveal additional details. He did not respond to follow-up queries about the group’s upcoming schedule.

 

 

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She talked about the case on pod save america, by the way.

 

 

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Trump will get his acquittal either today or tomorrow. He will be crowing about it all year.

 

Thing is, starting Monday and about every week until the Dems have a nominee; the focus will be on the Dems race. How will Trump take not being the #1 story?

 

Even his acquittal will probably be a 1-3 day story; as attention moves to Monday’s Iowa caucuses.

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