No Excuses Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, NoCalMike said: I'd pump the breaks on the "OMG Tucker praises Warren" hype. He was praising the ideas more than any actual policy. Basically, "She has a good message" The clip is cut short but later in the segment, he praises specific policies she laid out like making sure that the government buys from American companies and that work resulting from research subsidized by American taxpayers is conducted in the US. And then later in the clip, he calls her an abortion and tranny-loving liberal and complains that someone who supports social conservatism with her message doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 4 hours ago, LadySkinsFan said: Sanders is already attacking Democrat candidates. Just like he did with Clinton. It's one of the reasons I don't like him. Then stop attacking Sanders and implying he cost Clinton the election. He didnt, it's just a narrative that everyone rolls with. (GOP much?) He's enemy #1 to the Dems atm and suffers almost 100% negative press. The only circles he gets positive press are local, and far left news that is terrible and no one watches. Trump and the GOP aren't just hyping him up because they know he'll lose the election, they're seeding discourse. Like this board for example, majority of articles/tweets posted about Beto/Buttigieg/Harris are positive. Everything about Bernie Sanders is negative. I looked back at about 20+ news/articles/tweets. All negative. Biden too. Bernie and Biden should bow out of this election IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 I have no issue with candidates going after each other on policy issues. That is what this process is for. There are some very clear differences in how these nominees want to attack the problems in our country and the only way we can hash out who we would best like to represent us is finding out as many details as possible how they differ from each other. For example, this whole Biden wave of support......the reason I don't buy into it yet is because it isn't really based on anything he has said, or policy or accomplishments. It is mostly based on fear of Trump winning in 2020 if a "safe neo-liberal" isn't chosen to run against Trump. I am waiting to actually hear what Biden has to say on policy and how he handles criticism of his own record considering he definitely comes from a different generation of politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, Mooka said: Then stop attacking Sanders and implying he cost Clinton the election. He didnt, it's just a narrative that everyone rolls with. (GOP much?) He's enemy #1 to the Dems atm and suffers almost 100% negative press. The only circles he gets positive press are local, and far left news that is terrible and no one watches. Trump and the GOP aren't just hyping him up because they know he'll lose the election, they're seeding discourse. Like this board for example, majority of articles/tweets posted about Beto/Buttigieg/Harris are positive. Everything about Bernie Sanders is negative. I looked back at about 20+ news/articles/tweets. All negative. Biden too. Bernie and Biden should bow out of this election IMO. Biden is going to win the nomination in a similar fashion that Trump won the Republican nomination in 2016. If Bernie or any of the candidates bowed out I'm fairly sure their support would go to someone other than Biden. Biden will be the nominee ya'll need to adjust to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 46 minutes ago, NoCalMike said: I have no issue with candidates going after each other on policy issues. That is what this process is for. There are some very clear differences in how these nominees want to attack the problems in our country and the only way we can hash out who we would best like to represent us is finding out as many details as possible how they differ from each other. For example, this whole Biden wave of support......the reason I don't buy into it yet is because it isn't really based on anything he has said, or policy or accomplishments. It is mostly based on fear of Trump winning in 2020 if a "safe neo-liberal" isn't chosen to run against Trump. I am waiting to actually hear what Biden has to say on policy and how he handles criticism of his own record considering he definitely comes from a different generation of politicians. Biden's wave of support is based on minorities who within the Democratic party are generally more conservative than the rest of the party's make-up. I think that support is locked in while the progressive wing is split between all the other candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LadySkinsFan Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 GOP doesn't get that she means raising corporate and 1%er taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said: GOP doesn't get that she means raising corporate and 1%er taxes. LOL....they get it. They really do, but they are trying to make sure their base doesn't get it. Now as far as Warren's proposals. I like them for the most part, but the reason I also like what she has to say is she is not just for helping out for relief on the back end to help those in need, but also for putting in place policies that prevent a lot of this stuff from happening in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Agreed, plus I think Warren is about the only one of the older candidates that gets what happened in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said: Agreed, plus I think Warren is about the only one of the older candidates that gets what happened in 2018. Not only gets it, but says it out loud, not just behind closed doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 I really like Warren, but my stance is Tucker Carlson can 100% **** off. Just because he does a weird off-brand thing doesn't make him any less of a racist scumbag monetizing the penchant of Fox News viewers to buy literally anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: I really like Warren, but my stance is Tucker Carlson can 100% **** off. Just because he does a weird off-brand thing doesn't make him any less of a racist scumbag monetizing the penchant of Fox News viewers to buy literally anything. Its not that off brand He is trying to create a white nationalist ethnostate and you need labor on your side to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Riggo-toni Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Nobody can get anything close to what Bernie and Warren are proposing just by raising taxes on the rich and corporations. Income tax rates have gone up and down for decades, but tax revenue has remained relatively unchanged between 18 to 20%. Bernie's Scandanaviam style democratic socialism would require federal sales taxes, gas taxes, and a big income tax increase. If you make about 80k in Denmark, for example, almost half your income goes to taxes, and that's on top of the 20% sales tax. Canada, which is about halfway between the US and European models, has a 13% sales tax and gas tax is roughly double the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: Nobody can get anything close to what Bernie and Warren are proposing just by raising taxes on the rich and corporations. Tell that to the GOP the next time they start pointless wars, keep expanding DoD's budget while cutting taxes for the rich and corporations. This country is headed for fiscal disaster at some point. I would rather it do so for something less dumb than corporate tax cuts and fat checks for defense contractors in the DMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 39 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Tucker is serious. he is a white supremacist. You can't lead this movement without getting white workers on your side and telling them you are going to do things to support their labor rights: 17 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: Nobody can get anything close to what Bernie and Warren are proposing just by raising taxes on the rich and corporations. Income tax rates have gone up and down for decades, but tax revenue has remained relatively unchanged between 18 to 20%. Bernie's Scandanaviam style democratic socialism would require federal sales taxes, gas taxes, and a big income tax increase. If you make about 80k in Denmark, for example, almost half your income goes to taxes, and that's on top of the 20% sales tax. Canada, which is about halfway between the US and European models, has a 13% sales tax and gas tax is roughly double the US. How about making the wealthy and corporations start paying taxes? They don't do it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 The GOP has been a fiscal disaster -GWB increased spending by >7.5%/year - the fastest of any President since FDR. We need more restraint with baby boomers in their retirement years, not massive new outlays. Trump's policies, if they can even be called that, are strangling future American competitiveness. That doesn't justify Dem profligacy. What we need is a return to 90s policies of restraint and freer trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted June 6, 2019 Author Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 hours ago, nonniey said: Biden is going to win the nomination in a similar fashion that Trump won the Republican nomination in 2016. If Bernie or any of the candidates bowed out I'm fairly sure their support would go to someone other than Biden. Biden will be the nominee ya'll need to adjust to that. Biden isn't a lock. He's the clear favorite at the moment but he's already had 2 failed presidential campaigns and he's out of step with a significant part of the younger democratic base. Biden wins the nomination, then it's the older traditional Dems that give it to him. They tend be more moderate or conservative than the younger Dems. Biden has plenty of time though, to completly **** up and crash and burn. Leaving the window open for someone else. I view the real Democratic race at the moment between 6 people. Uncle Joe, Bernie. Lizzie, Kamala, Mayor Pete and Beto. Those are the 6 people who have a legit shot at the nomination. The rest are mainly also rans. Maybe one or two of them can shine in the debates and gain traction. I expect the first winnowing of the field after the 2nd debates in July. You'll see the field shrink before the 3rd & 4th debates in September and October. Honestly, the real race won't begin until probably after the October debates. That will be 3 months+ before the voting starts. That's when it will really get serious. As for Bernie, stop whining. You're already a known quantity. You have your core support that will be with you, no matter what. You're whining about a little negative press. If Hillary actually attacked you in 16, you would've known what real attacks were. If you do becoming the nominee, the GOP & Trump will shred you to you pieces. You won't know what hit you. If you can't handle a little heat now, what are you going to do in the fall of 2020? Whether you appeal to beyond your BernieFanatics, we'll see. You have far better competition this time, in your lane. If 2016 was between you and Lizze; she would've beaten you. The press always jumps to the new hot candidate. You aren't it. Kamala was for a while. Then Beto and now Mayor Pete. Face it Bernie, they are now options better than you. Whether they can beat you or not, remain to be seen. I see Elizabeth Warren as your biggest threat and hope she beats you. While I don't agree with her on many things and I don't think she will beat Trump; I think she's probably the best candidate running this time. Biden gets it, it's only because people feel he can beat Trump. That's the only reason for him to even have any support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCB Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Benning is right. The shell-game that the GOP has been playing since the 1970s has *consistently* involved claims that it's not just undeserving brown folks getting special privileges, but they're taking your jobs. The 1970s was effing ABOUT that message, which was used to pry open old union constituencies that everyone thought were unshakably Dem. That and lady parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Instead of reading what a grown man named Tucker thinks about it, everyone should actually read this thing. Among other things, it shows how much more advanced Warren is on economic issues than every other candidate. https://medium.com/@teamwarren/a-plan-for-economic-patriotism-13b879f4cfc7?&mkwid=sVXPphktt|pcrid|344788345842|pkw|elizabeth warren|pmt|p|pdv|t|slid||product||pgrid|69153951282|ptaid|kwd-171777258|&pgrid=69153951282&ptaid=kwd-171777258&subsource=GS-69153951282-elizabeth warren-p-344788345842&gclid=CjwKCAjw8-LnBRAyEiwA6eUMGphE2IzhElrB5oA4qkKcMPZF-misyWHRLwDs3ZI_u6vrN47rbBZUaBoCQWwQAvD_BwE&refcode=WFP2019-LB-GS-VA&refcode2=GS-69153951282-elizabeth warren-p-344788345842 This is just part of the preamble before she even gets to her plans, and more plans, and plans within other plans. Quote It’s time to reject the excuses we’ve heard for decades about why we can’t do more to help American workers. Some people blame “globalization” for flat wages and American jobs shipped overseas. But globalization isn’t some mysterious force whose effects are inevitable and beyond our control. No — America chose to pursue a trade policy that prioritized the interests of capital over the interests of American workers. Germany, for example, chose a different path and participated in international trade while at the same time robustly — and successfully — supporting its domestic industries and its workers. Others blame “automation” for American job losses, especially in manufacturing. It’s a good story — robots and other new technologies made American manufacturing workers more productive, so companies needed to hire far fewer actual human beings. A good story, except it’s not really true. Recent research finds this story is based on a widely-held misunderstanding of the data on American manufacturing output, and a statistical quirk about how productivity is measured in our computer industry. There is actually no “evidence that productivity caused manufacturing’s relative and absolute employment decline” in America since the 1980s. Meanwhile, Germany has nearly five times as many robots per worker as we do and has not lost jobsoverall as a result. And a lot of people blamed a supposed “skills gap” for job losses — that American workers lacked the skills or credentials they needed to fill the jobs available. Except that wasn’t true either. It was just a symptom of high unemployment rates. Companies felt comfortable demanding more skills from workers as an excuse to be more selective about which workers to hire. The truth is that Washington policies — not unstoppable market forces — are a key driver of the problems American workers face. From our trade agreements to our tax code, we have encouraged companies to invest abroad, ship jobs overseas, and keep wages low. All in the interest of serving multinational companies and international capital with no particular loyalty to the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 I agree that "solving every issue with higher taxes" is not the solution, but it is hard to listen to that when at the same time taxes on the wealthy keep being cut and the result is cuts to programs that help the lower & middle classes. Taxes won't solve every problem, but continually cutting them sure as hell isn't helping the problem either. I thought we kept being told that the more taxes you cut, the more private industry will in turn step up to the plate because they have more money? How much of their tax cuts are going towards fixing roads & infrastructure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Taxes wont solve everything but money can solve alot. Rich people have alot of it an I dont. Take it from them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 28 minutes ago, Llevron said: Taxes wont solve everything but money can solve alot. Rich people have alot of it an I dont. Take it from them I think you might have a Hip Hop hit on your hands. Next lyric, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, NoCalMike said: I think you might have a Hip Hop hit on your hands. Next lyric, please! Im a poet I just dont know it. Thats the last free one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 We need to raise taxes. Who the **** cares what Tucker Carlson thinks? Warren is nice but I still think Biden has what it takes to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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