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Presidential Election: 11/3/20 ---Now the President Elect Joe Biden Thread


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1 hour ago, hail2skins said:

I've never understood this.  If you truly support Trump, why would you be embarrassed to say that to some random pollster? Unless you happen to be answering the question on the phone and there are others with you in the room that you don't want to hear your opinion.

Most Trump supporters are very proud of it, and can't believe the irretrievable stupidity of those who don't- I mean, did you know a lot of libs are in favor of wind power? Don't they know that when the wind stops blowing their TVs shut off? Idiots.

 

However, there are those who kind of know they shouldn't be voting for Trump, know he's unstable and kind of dumb. Who hear their friends talking of all the reasons he absolutely has to be removed form office. And they don't necessarily disagree, but, you know... Mexicans. Those people might have a tendency to lie to pollsters. There's likely not many of them, but they are out there.

 

It's a real phenomenon. It's also vastly overstated. Both things can be true. 

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Lisa Murkowski is apparently "struggling" on whether to back Trump in November. I love how she basically admitted that she's a total coward and was waiting for others to speak up first re: Mattis.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/politics/lisa-murkowski-mattis-trump-reaction/index.html

 

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(CNN) Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska broke with many of her Republican colleagues Thursday, applauding an op-ed by General James Mattis that condemned President Donald Trump's actions this week.


"When I saw General Mattis' comments yesterday I felt like perhaps we are getting to a point where we can be more honest with the concerns that we might hold internally and have the courage of our own convictions to speak up," Murkowksi said on Capitol Hill.

 

Bunch of spineless jackwagons.

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3 hours ago, No Excuses said:

Don’t worry, by January 2021, Trump will be declared a New York liberal with Hollywood values and the bootlickers will find a different anus to suck on.

 

 

keep in mind this assumes both sides except the outcome of the election, and if he does lose it, that he leaves office normally

 

i know i say this often lately, but one of many things i predicted  way back when he won (even before, really), and have been right about, is that he isn't gong to leave normally---yeas, i was years ahead of bill maher on that one

 

and i regret to add more concern to the already overloaded, but ya see all the fortification/construction that numerous reports have called precedent-breaking and militarization going on around the wh under the cover of this unrest isn't just for the here and now....it's to make it harder to dislodge him by anything other than a major show of force...not "some squad of marshals sent over by congress" etc..  and he'll have his share of top brass, congress, and the doj behind the play

 

and yeh, i think there's still excellent chance he/they have over-reached, if not by much, and will not pull that off if such does occur, but it will still be a horrendous event if it does

 

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11 minutes ago, mistertim said:

"When I saw General Mattis' comments yesterday I felt like perhaps we are getting to a point where we can be more honest with the concerns that we might hold internally and have the courage of our own convictions to speak up," Murkowksi said on Capitol Hill.

 

She's getting to the point that she might have courage?  WTF does that even mean?

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@JumboYikes, I hadn't even thought about that...what if Trump literally bunkers down in the WH after losing the election and refuses to come out? That would be absolutely insane...but nothing would surprise me. If he stays behind in the polls and things continue to go badly for him in regard to these multiple crises, he's going to continue to unravel. And it will only be worse if he's hunkered down in siege mode inside the WH and only surrounded by sycophants. 

 

@PleaseBlitzIt means "I don't have the courage to do it myself, so I've been waiting on someone with much more courage than I to speak up so then I can maybe think about possibly going against Trump if I feel like there's enough wind at my back. I may even borrow Susan's Concern Button."

 

Real model of leadership there.

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1 hour ago, AJ* said:

I think in 2016 the polls were thrown out the window the moment the FBI re-opened the investigation into Hillary Clinton right before election day. I think it depressed the vote severely and a lot of people stayed home. She was already a lackluster candidate but that was the kill shot on a terrible campaign.

 

IIRC the race had significantly tightened in the polls just before the election and were showing Clinton up by just 2-3%, which is what she won the popular vote by. So I think the polls were actually relatively accurate. 

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48 minutes ago, mistertim said:

@JumboYikes, I hadn't even thought about that...what if Trump literally bunkers down in the WH after losing the election and refuses to come out? That would be absolutely insane...but nothing would surprise me. If he stays behind in the polls and things continue to go badly for him in regard to these multiple crises, he's going to continue to unravel. And it will only be worse if he's hunkered down in siege mode inside the WH and only surrounded by sycophants. 

 

@PleaseBlitzIt means "I don't have the courage to do it myself, so I've been waiting on someone with much more courage than I to speak up so then I can maybe think about possibly going against Trump if I feel like there's enough wind at my back. I may even borrow Susan's Concern Button."

 

Real model of leadership there.

You remove him by force. Those that aid in Trump staying; are charged with treason.

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43 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

IIRC the race had significantly tightened in the polls just before the election and were showing Clinton up by just 2-3%, which is what she won the popular vote by. So I think the polls were actually relatively accurate. 

Oftentimes, state polls can lag behind national ones. I suspect that's a lot of what we saw in 2016. The national polls had just enough time to catch up with the Comey effect, but there wasn't data to show the outsized impact on Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan. Plus, the what ultimately cost her the election was depressed turnout in those states. Comey probably caused a lot of that and polling didn't pick it up.

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38 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

Oftentimes, state polls can lag behind national ones. I suspect that's a lot of what we saw in 2016. The national polls had just enough time to catch up with the Comey effect, but there wasn't data to show the outsized impact on Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan. Plus, the what ultimately cost her the election was depressed turnout in those states. Comey probably caused a lot of that and polling didn't pick it up.

 

Good point about state polls not having caught up to national ones.

 

I always found the hysterics by the MAGAs over Comey and how he was a "Deep State" agent hell bent on stopping Trump a bit odd, seeing as how Comey may very well have single-handedly tipped the election in Trump's favor by choosing to make the announcement about the Clinton investigation right before the election. 

 

Then again, nothing about the MAGAs has any sort of internal mental consistency, so that's probably par for the course for them.

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Wasn't sure where to put this, but noticed this op-ed by Condi Rice in the WaPo today:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/04/condoleezza-rice-moment-confront-race-america/

 

Wonder if there's any chance Biden would approach her about the VP job. Especially since her dream job of NFL commish is occupied by Roger and (realistically) Jerruh. I know she's a Republican, and the concerns about the "base," but this climate might call for a "go big" moment like this. 

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2 minutes ago, hail2skins said:

Wonder if there's any chance Biden would approach her about the VP job. Especially since her dream job of NFL commish is occupied by Roger and (realistically) Jerruh. I know she's a Republican, and the concerns about the "base," but this climate might call for a "go big" moment like this. 

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4 minutes ago, hail2skins said:

Wasn't sure where to put this, but noticed this op-ed by Condi Rice in the WaPo today:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/04/condoleezza-rice-moment-confront-race-america/

 

Wonder if there's any chance Biden would approach her about the VP job. Especially since her dream job of NFL commish is occupied by Roger and (realistically) Jerruh. I know she's a Republican, and the concerns about the "base," but this climate might call for a "go big" moment like this. 

 

F that.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, hail2skins said:

Wasn't sure where to put this, but noticed this op-ed by Condi Rice in the WaPo today:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/04/condoleezza-rice-moment-confront-race-america/

 

Wonder if there's any chance Biden would approach her about the VP job. Especially since her dream job of NFL commish is occupied by Roger and (realistically) Jerruh. I know she's a Republican, and the concerns about the "base," but this climate might call for a "go big" moment like this. 

 

That would be a really odd choice. I mean yeah, she's pretty centrist (especially compared to the GOP nowadays), but she still has some areas where she'd have some major pushback as a Veep choice. For example she's been against same-sex marriage and afaik she still holds that position.

 

I feel like picking her as a VP would basically be a "record scratch" moment on what has been a campaign that's building momentum for Biden. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

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13 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

I think the GOP needs to be left some sane people to pick up the pieces. 


Yea cause if not whoever decides to pick them up will have full control of them and probably will be insane. Like it or not the mouth breathers will still be here with our without the GOP. Our best bet is to leave them with something constructive to the country

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55 minutes ago, mistertim said:

I always found the hysterics by the MAGAs over Comey and how he was a "Deep State" agent hell bent on stopping Trump a bit odd, seeing as how Comey may very well have single-handedly tipped the election in Trump's favor by choosing to make the announcement about the Clinton investigation right before the election

 

1) Comey "chose" to make the announcement, because he was blackmailed by Republicans in the NY field office with threats that, if he didn't make an announcement, then it would be leaked. 
 

2). And after the election, Comey was a Republican hero. They made a big deal about how Trump fired every single Obama appointee except him. 
 

42 minutes ago, hail2skins said:

Fine.....you guys are going to regret dismissing me when Trump cruises to a 49-state landslide in November 😁


I'll probably be too busy trying to figure out what all these buttons on the starship Enterprise actually do, to think about you. 
 

34 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

I think the GOP needs to be left some sane people to pick up the pieces. 


The GOP disagrees with you. 

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4 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

It's nonsense. It's stuff that the right tells themselves when polls say Trump is super unpopular. "But the polls were so wrong in 2016! It's because people are afraid to say they support Trump! FAKE NEWS!"

 

Actually, they weren't wrong. The polls right at the end of the race had Clinton up by around 2-3% and that's what she won the popular vote by. 

 

Trump potentially could win in November but he's in a much worse position now than he was in 2016, as I noted above. 

 

It's not nonsense. My brothers believe that's why polls were off because republicans didn't want to bother with liberal loser pollsters so they just said HRC to shut them up and move on. 

 

They also believe polls are conducted by intentionally finding 7 liberals they personally know and 3 people they think are republicans so they can say 70% of the country supports ______. 

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29 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

1) Comey "chose" to make the announcement, because he was blackmailed by Republicans in the NY field office with threats that, if he didn't make an announcement, then it would be leaked. 
 

2). And after the election, Comey was a Republican hero. They made a big deal about how Trump fired every single Obama appointee except him. 

 

 

That's true. I now remember when Trump intentionally singled Comey out and brought him out to shake his hand in late January of 2017. He loved him then.

 

Whenever someone Trump hired and then either fired or who leaves, later gets on the wrong side of Trump he and his supporters start yelling about how they were from the swamp and were Deep State.

 

Then you ask why he seemed to like them before and they say "Well he didn't realize they were in THE SWAMP and DEEP STATE at that point!".

 

Then you counter with "Well, why does it seem so easy for people to trick Trump? Why does he keep hiring swamp and Deep State people? I thought he hired the best people and he was a genius? Why did he get fooled so easily so many times?"

 

Then you get to their real meat and potatoes argument: "SHUT THE **** UP SOI BOY BETA COMMIE CUCK. WHY NOT GO BLOW OBUMMER IF YOU LOVE SOCIALISM, MUSLIMS, AND GAYS SO MUCH???"

 

 

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