bearrock Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, visionary said: Re: Sanders Presser That **** is disqualifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ* Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: And Biden isn’t going to get a lot of voters Bernie does. do we think turnout is going to be significantly higher for Biden than Hillary? Why simply for anti-trump turnout? Nominating Biden, that’s all you can really bank on. Actually I think the turnout will be higher for Biden than Hillary. He's not as polarizing and doesn't carry as much baggage. And a lot of black people stayed home in 2016. Judging by the midterms and special elections we've had the last 3 years I don't think they're going to stay home this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, bearrock said: If party affiliation so irretrievably stains a person to be disqualified as a decent human being worthy of being considered for a VP pick (even those who broke with party against the party's nominee), why are we bothering with the political process at all? Why not just take to the streets and see which side can eliminate the other? I think we've reached that point where party affiliation stains a person so bad that they're disqualified from being a decent human. Pretty sure we're taking to the streets and seeing which side can eliminate the other, too. If twitter counts as a street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: Bernie Bros aren't going to be attracted to anybody who isn't Bernie. The scary part is if he's not the nom, are they going to go all Jill Stein on us? Some of his supporters want to. I doubt he would given the circumstances, would be p pretty bad legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedskinsFan44 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 33 minutes ago, visionary said: Sanders legalizing marijuana in 50 states by executive order. Free pot for everyone!! Could be a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Quote Quick note from Bernie‘s presser earlier today in Utah. At one point, when a Washington Post reporter raised his hand, Sanders looked at him, pointed, and said, “No.” It's uncanny, the resemblance to Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: And Biden isn’t going to get a lot of voters Bernie does. do we think turnout is going to be significantly higher for Biden than Hillary? Why simply for anti-trump turnout? Nominating Biden, that’s all you can really bank on. Biden is a hell of a lot more likable than Hillary, and has far less baggage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 I looked at a morning consult poll from the other day that showed Warren supporters had Bernie as a second choice at a 40% rate, Biden at 16%, Buttigeig at 16%, and Klobuchar at 12%. Given Buttigeig and Klobuchar have dropped out, I’d be really curious to see what the new breakdown is. I don’t think it’s nearly as overwhelmingly Bernie as pundits conventional wisdom suggests. Probably somewhere between 50-50 Bernie/Biden and maybe 60/40 Bernie. But it’s not like Bernie has a ton of hidden support that will automatically flow to him if Warren drops out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, RedskinsFan44 said: Biden is a hell of a lot more likable than Hillary, and has far less baggage. Pretty sure a lot of Republicans on Capitol Hill have a plan to fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Biden/Bernie by the time we have the primary in my state was my nightmare. If that's what it is, I'm probably voting Bernie. Biden the gaffe machine is a far bigger risk than Bernie vs. Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Just now, No Excuses said: Biden/Bernie by the time we have the primary in my state was my nightmare. If that's what it is, I'm probably voting Bernie. Biden the gaffe machine is a far bigger risk than Bernie vs. Trump. Bernie has written things... things that have his name on them... that argue children should touch each other’s private parts. Pretty sure Biden stumbling over an answer during an interview or debate would be just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1. Trending #WarrenEndorseBernie 28.7K Tweets 2. Trending #ChooseWarren 23.2K Tweets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Larry said: Pretty sure a lot of Republicans on Capitol Hill have a plan to fix that. One thing that gets completely forgotten/ignored is how ridiculously popular Hillary was after her time as SoS. It was in the low 60s when she left government, but had declined to about 50 by the time she really started running for 2016. The GOP and the media really did a great job of destroying her popularity (she also obviously did some things that helped along that downfall( Though part of that was due to a quarter century of her being vilified. It was easy to dredge that up and re-stir bad feelings about her that had been somewhat dormant. Biden doesn't have the well of antipathy built up against him (nor the burden of sexism, frankly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Just now, skinsfan_1215 said: Bernie has written things... things that have his name on them... that argue children should touch each other’s private parts. Pretty sure Biden stumbling over an answer during an interview or debate would be just fine. There are plenty of videos of Biden being a creep as well. Bernie has the same teflon thing going on as Trump. Things don't seem stick to him like they do to conventional candidates. Right or wrong, he's much better positioned to weather controversy than Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Riggo-toni Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Spot on article by Fareed Zakaria. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanderss-scandinavian-fantasy/2020/02/27/ee894d6e-599f-11ea-9b35-def5a027d470_story.html Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) says that his proposals “are not radical,” pointing again and again to countries in Northern Europe such as Denmark, Sweden and Norway as examples of the kind of economic system he wants to bring to the United States. The image he conjures up is of a warm and fuzzy social democracy in which market economics are kept on a tight leash through regulation, the rich are heavily taxed and the social safety net is generous. That is, however, an inaccurate and highly misleading description of those Northern European countries today. Take billionaires. Sanders has been clear on the topic: “Billionaires should not exist.” But Sweden and Norway both have more billionaires per capita than the United States — Sweden almost twice as many. Inheritance taxes in Sweden and Norway are zero, and in Denmark 15 percent. The United States, by contrast, has the fourth-highest estate taxes in the industrialized world at 40 percent. Sanders’s vision of Scandinavian countries, as with much of his ideology, seems to be stuck in the 1960s and 1970s, a period when these countries were indeed pioneers in creating a social market economy. In Sweden, government spending as a percentage of gross domestic product doubled from 1960 to 1980, going from approximately 30 percent to 60 percent. But as Swedish commentator Johan Norberg points out, this experiment in Sanders-style democratic socialism tanked the Swedish economy. Between 1970 and 1995, he notes, Sweden did not create a single net new job in the private sector. In 1991, a free-market prime minister, Carl Bildt, initiated a series of reforms to kick-start the economy. By the mid-2000s, Sweden had cut the size of its government by a third and emerged from its long economic slump. When looking across Northern Europe today, one finds many innovative market-friendly policies such as educational vouchers, health-care deductibles and co-pays, and light regulatory burdens. None of these countries, for example, has a minimum wage. One final statistic: A 2008 OECD report found that the top 10 percent in the United States pay 45 percent of all income taxes, while the top 10 percent in Denmark pay 26 percent and in Sweden 27 percent. Among wealthy countries, the average is 32 percent. ...The United States has a significantly more progressive tax code than Europe, and its top 10 percent pays a vastly greater share of the country’s taxes than their European counterparts. Full article at link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Foreign actors influencing our elections, unlike say.......corporate media that routinely peddles in false narratives and the shaping of how people think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 minute ago, visionary said: 1. Trending #WarrenEndorseBernie 28.7K Tweets 2. Trending #ChooseWarren 23.2K Tweets And you know, this is a good example of what I have been talking about with Bernie Bros and what is alluded to in that DailyKos piece I just posted. His supporters to this point have been bullying, insulting and mocking Warren supporters. And now they are using twitter to diminish what she has done and what she and her supporters have fought for to try to bully her into dropping out and helping him. Imagine if their was a well of goodwill here. If there had been a sense of "we're both in this fighting for the same things" (as the two candidates themselves have basically acted over the last several years) and it was a respectful semi-alliance rather than Bernie Bros telling everyone who liked Warren that they were fools and part of the establishment simply by virtue of not choosing Bernie. And acting like they all owed something to Sanders and were doing something wrong by picking someone else. Then maybe there would be something to a call for unity behind Bernie today. But there isn't. You guys blew any chance of it and are just blowing it more now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, NoCalMike said: Foreign actors influencing our elections, unlike say.......corporate media that routinely peddles in false narratives and the shaping of how people think? So will we be banning mass media during President Sanders' first term or is that for the reelection campaign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Just now, bearrock said: So will we be banning mass media during President Sanders' first term or is that for the reelection campaign? My comment on the media was not in defense or reference to Bernie specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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No Excuses Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: Spot on article by Fareed Zakaria. This is a good read and one of the reasons why I absolutely do not care for Bernie's movement even though I agree with some of its goals. The American left thinks its challenging years of GOP rightward shift on economics but they fail to contest its most significant win, which is that everyone is terrified of proposing middle class tax hikes of any kind. De-stigmatizing tax hikes for the largest tax base in the country and having them understand the value of social programs that THEY are responsible for paying into should have been a multi-decade project. Instead, everyone from liberals to progressive spends their time promising Scandinavian style social safety nets (which are good) without the economics needed to support it, and as such, it all just falls.... flat. People are not going to see the value in programs that they aren't paying into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, Larry said: Pretty sure a lot of Republicans on Capitol Hill have a plan to fix that. Yeah, but they don't have 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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